..Been Going thru a few probs lately..nuffin to make me get depressed or go back to using..just a few things that keep me awake at night..so while me sons at his nans i got time to do wotever i need to do without having to be at home..for the past few nights i ain't been able to sleep..so i go walking in the early hours down by the thames embankment..doing just that helps..i don't need counsellors/doctors//n/a meetings or a sponsor..just sum quiet time alone with my thoughts and maybe a little rain when the clouds open..man its so serene and quiet and just one of my way of dealing with my probs..im just rambling (no pun intended)..thxs for reading..Robbie..
hi robbie,
I know you said you don't need meetings or a counselor.With all due respect I am going to disagree with you.
It;s obvious from your post that it's not a bad idea to have a place of support-kick around ideas-get feedback on them.
One aspect of addiction is that it isolates us.That's a behavior oftentimes needs to be addressed.
I hope you re-think not needing any help.Take care now.a
I know you said you don't need meetings or a counselor.With all due respect I am going to disagree with you.
It;s obvious from your post that it's not a bad idea to have a place of support-kick around ideas-get feedback on them.
One aspect of addiction is that it isolates us.That's a behavior oftentimes needs to be addressed.
I hope you re-think not needing any help.Take care now.a
..Astrella..
..I fully understand wot ya saying and thxs for ya advice..im not one for meetings..not saying they don't work/help others but for me i tend to not go down that road..going for walks and having some alone time is wot i enjoy doing amongst other stuff to help me focus on wot i need to do to sort out my probs..meetings don't bother me one way or the other..im not scared or reserved about opening up to things that are on my mind..but im also not into sitting in a room voicing my concerns or how good im doing with my recovery and getting a hug and a keyring..i've got a good supportive family and ex using friends who are now clean themselves if i need some f2f support about certain situations..i've had many counsellors over the years during my drug use and if im honest not one of them did anything for me that i did'nt know for myself regarding advice..they offered words and listened but it never had any effect on my using..i've been to a couple of meetings here and there over the years and they also had the same effect on me, which was no effect..i know theres all different kinda meetings out there and we all deal with our recovery differently but i know wots good for one ain't nessacarily good for the other..im almost 2 years clean this coming december and i think personally im doing ok..we all have things to deal with in life good or bad..thats just how life is but i know i don't have to sit in a chair and talk to someone to get me thru wot im feeling..i do think many people rely on others (meetings/counsellors) to get them thru wots going on in their life..wether thats a good or bad thing is open to negotiation..but i thank ya for ya advice and respect wot ya saying..i remember your name from a while back and if its the same astrella i hope ya well n good..if its not then i hope ya well n good anyway :)..take care..Robbie..
..I fully understand wot ya saying and thxs for ya advice..im not one for meetings..not saying they don't work/help others but for me i tend to not go down that road..going for walks and having some alone time is wot i enjoy doing amongst other stuff to help me focus on wot i need to do to sort out my probs..meetings don't bother me one way or the other..im not scared or reserved about opening up to things that are on my mind..but im also not into sitting in a room voicing my concerns or how good im doing with my recovery and getting a hug and a keyring..i've got a good supportive family and ex using friends who are now clean themselves if i need some f2f support about certain situations..i've had many counsellors over the years during my drug use and if im honest not one of them did anything for me that i did'nt know for myself regarding advice..they offered words and listened but it never had any effect on my using..i've been to a couple of meetings here and there over the years and they also had the same effect on me, which was no effect..i know theres all different kinda meetings out there and we all deal with our recovery differently but i know wots good for one ain't nessacarily good for the other..im almost 2 years clean this coming december and i think personally im doing ok..we all have things to deal with in life good or bad..thats just how life is but i know i don't have to sit in a chair and talk to someone to get me thru wot im feeling..i do think many people rely on others (meetings/counsellors) to get them thru wots going on in their life..wether thats a good or bad thing is open to negotiation..but i thank ya for ya advice and respect wot ya saying..i remember your name from a while back and if its the same astrella i hope ya well n good..if its not then i hope ya well n good anyway :)..take care..Robbie..
Glad to hear you're doing well Robbie. Walks can do wonders! And you seem to know what's good for you and what makes you tick. Hope the problems you're having go away soon.
Best wishes, Maddy x
Best wishes, Maddy x
Hey Robbie, I think that it is good that you recognize your own feelings and are able to work through them.
Recovery is not a destination...nope...it's a journey! However one gets on the road and stays there is very individual. I can really relate to your aversion to counseling. I have had many counselors in my time and have to say that when all was said and done.....while it was good to sit and spill to a person that had no vested interest, I inevitably found that it just didn't do anything for me.
I even had an addiction counselor here for a few months. I thought she was different and hoped things would be better. I stopped seeing her after about 8 sessions. I can't explain it. I think therapy is a positive thing and certainly won't hurt, but for me.......I find that an "hour" session is really only 50 minutes and they watch the clock all the time. One time I swear I thought I saw her roll her eyes. You can get alot from non-verbal communication.....LOL
I know that you are steadfast in your recovery and it helps that you have a great support system, and that son of yours as a deterrent.
Meetings aren't for everyone. This I know. You have some good clean time under your belt and are able to work it out. I think you would do the right thing if you felt a relapse coming on!
Good for you....keep doing what you are doing and do something different if you feel like it!
Cheers!
Recovery is not a destination...nope...it's a journey! However one gets on the road and stays there is very individual. I can really relate to your aversion to counseling. I have had many counselors in my time and have to say that when all was said and done.....while it was good to sit and spill to a person that had no vested interest, I inevitably found that it just didn't do anything for me.
I even had an addiction counselor here for a few months. I thought she was different and hoped things would be better. I stopped seeing her after about 8 sessions. I can't explain it. I think therapy is a positive thing and certainly won't hurt, but for me.......I find that an "hour" session is really only 50 minutes and they watch the clock all the time. One time I swear I thought I saw her roll her eyes. You can get alot from non-verbal communication.....LOL
I know that you are steadfast in your recovery and it helps that you have a great support system, and that son of yours as a deterrent.
Meetings aren't for everyone. This I know. You have some good clean time under your belt and are able to work it out. I think you would do the right thing if you felt a relapse coming on!
Good for you....keep doing what you are doing and do something different if you feel like it!
Cheers!
Rob...mate with the on the walks....and the Embankment can be wonderful at night with all its sounds,images &history...i miss ol London town.Hope yer hassles work themselves out....sure they will....yer a strong minded bloke and yer catching me up at the footie!!!!!!!!!!Take care mukkka...........Davey
..Cheers peeps for ya words..
..Davey ya right mate..looking over ole london town and the diff colour lights that shine on the dark but calm water brings me a lot of serenity..it sure helps me see that things that could be a whole lot worse and i could be at a different place in life ?..i just think that quiet and calmness is wot i need when im feeling low and its just one of the things that work for me in unscrabbling my thoughts..
cheers one and all..Robbie..
..Davey ya right mate..looking over ole london town and the diff colour lights that shine on the dark but calm water brings me a lot of serenity..it sure helps me see that things that could be a whole lot worse and i could be at a different place in life ?..i just think that quiet and calmness is wot i need when im feeling low and its just one of the things that work for me in unscrabbling my thoughts..
cheers one and all..Robbie..
Robbie i don't see nor need counsellors/doctors//n/a meetings either. I do the very same things when i get restless energy i'll walk a hour or two headphones on music playing "i walk". Working has been a wonderful distraction i'm constantly on the move "housekeep at the nursing home". Many times a long walk saved my sanity. I aint got the money / time or motivation to see counsellors/doctors//n/a meetings. I'm + they would be of some benifit but, that's the way it is.
..ZG..
..The way i see it aswell is counsellors are just like us-human beings-some have experience in drug use others have got where they are thru doing college courses, getting degrees and wotever..and as kee kee said..they do definately clock watch ?..just as ya talking about serious matters with them they say "oh sorry got another client waiting lets talk about this when ya come back in 2 weeks" WTF ?..we know wot they know about addiction and vica-versa..its just an ear they lend and a script for 2 weeks medication..i know for sum people they are needed..but for me i can get by in life without the need for one to talk to..music for sure is a good way of relieving ya thoughts and plays a big part in my recovery also..its just that i read a lot of different threads on different drug topics on here and it seems like sum people to me can't get thru the day without going to a meeting or talking to a counsellor ?..i know we all need support in one way or another when it comes to coming off and staying off drugs..but are meetings and counsellors the be all and end all in peoples life ?..cheers zg and take care along the way..Robbie..
..The way i see it aswell is counsellors are just like us-human beings-some have experience in drug use others have got where they are thru doing college courses, getting degrees and wotever..and as kee kee said..they do definately clock watch ?..just as ya talking about serious matters with them they say "oh sorry got another client waiting lets talk about this when ya come back in 2 weeks" WTF ?..we know wot they know about addiction and vica-versa..its just an ear they lend and a script for 2 weeks medication..i know for sum people they are needed..but for me i can get by in life without the need for one to talk to..music for sure is a good way of relieving ya thoughts and plays a big part in my recovery also..its just that i read a lot of different threads on different drug topics on here and it seems like sum people to me can't get thru the day without going to a meeting or talking to a counsellor ?..i know we all need support in one way or another when it comes to coming off and staying off drugs..but are meetings and counsellors the be all and end all in peoples life ?..cheers zg and take care along the way..Robbie..
Hey Robbie and everyone else!
I can't tell you how much walking helps me. It certainly is where I clear my head and find my center. I walked and walked in early recovery. I still do. There are many of us who have been able to make it without counceling or na. While I always think it's good advice to give to a newcomer, obvioulsy there are many people, many many people, who don't go that route.
I'm sorry you're having insomnia. I've had a bit myself this week. I finally got some kip (as you across-the-ponders say) last night. Boy I was happy for that. I see you say Charlie is doing well. Glad for that too. Take good care my friend.
Beck
I can't tell you how much walking helps me. It certainly is where I clear my head and find my center. I walked and walked in early recovery. I still do. There are many of us who have been able to make it without counceling or na. While I always think it's good advice to give to a newcomer, obvioulsy there are many people, many many people, who don't go that route.
I'm sorry you're having insomnia. I've had a bit myself this week. I finally got some kip (as you across-the-ponders say) last night. Boy I was happy for that. I see you say Charlie is doing well. Glad for that too. Take good care my friend.
Beck
Hey Robbie,
Sorry ya got some stuff brewing..........but walking and thinking........yep! The insomnia I know how much you hate it.........but being clean it ain't as bad as them crazy nights we'd all be awake.............and sick to boot.
No secret that walking got me clean..............well kept me clean..........I was always a walker............and as soon as I had that nag early in recovery I walked and walked...........sometimes crying as I walked along..........and walking got me through it all.
Meetings, let's see.............ummm, and no offense to anyone that NA has helped, but it is NOT ANONYMOUS...........not the one I went to.........and well I got to meet guys in brand spanking new early recovery..........that wanted to get l*id.............plain and simple.................AND some of the people walked out of there and got high...........heck they were sitting there high..........so if I was jonesing.............right there I'd have a buddy.
I like therapy but I didn't start that till recently...........and we don't hardly discuss my addiction............cause it ain't about that.
NEVER can we not be humble and get braggy, but amongst the lot of us here ain't went to no meetings or got a counselor...............are we clean?
Sorry ya got some stuff brewing..........but walking and thinking........yep! The insomnia I know how much you hate it.........but being clean it ain't as bad as them crazy nights we'd all be awake.............and sick to boot.
No secret that walking got me clean..............well kept me clean..........I was always a walker............and as soon as I had that nag early in recovery I walked and walked...........sometimes crying as I walked along..........and walking got me through it all.
Meetings, let's see.............ummm, and no offense to anyone that NA has helped, but it is NOT ANONYMOUS...........not the one I went to.........and well I got to meet guys in brand spanking new early recovery..........that wanted to get l*id.............plain and simple.................AND some of the people walked out of there and got high...........heck they were sitting there high..........so if I was jonesing.............right there I'd have a buddy.
I like therapy but I didn't start that till recently...........and we don't hardly discuss my addiction............cause it ain't about that.
NEVER can we not be humble and get braggy, but amongst the lot of us here ain't went to no meetings or got a counselor...............are we clean?
"PATSY CLINE"
"I go out walking after midnight. Out in the moonlight"
You know this song, Robbie...........Country at it's best.......sing along now.
"I go out walking after midnight. Out in the moonlight"
You know this song, Robbie...........Country at it's best.......sing along now.
Bryn ...yeh a classic...shes got such a sad but lovely voice....my ma is a big Patsy fan so we hear a bit of it round here.Robbie mate check it out...it will fit in with yer nightly walks.A.T.B........Davey
..Cheers one n all..
..Tis nice to know theres sumwhere to get ya feelings out and people ya never met f2f offer support from diff parts of the world ;)..dunno bout the patsy cline thou i think i'll leave that to me mum ha!!..but my boots were made for walking< ok ok i know thats a cheesey pun :)..ya'll take care n thxs again..
..Robbie..
..Tis nice to know theres sumwhere to get ya feelings out and people ya never met f2f offer support from diff parts of the world ;)..dunno bout the patsy cline thou i think i'll leave that to me mum ha!!..but my boots were made for walking< ok ok i know thats a cheesey pun :)..ya'll take care n thxs again..
..Robbie..
I agree everyones addiction is different, and while at one time I was an NA fanatic, I have always had issues with "friendships" and everything that goes along with it--thats a whole other topic, but i do know if im gonna use i go to a meeting and i feel 500 X better.
as foe counseling--never did much good unless i was in in-patient treatment and they really-got to know me. I think if you find the right person, and you take your time and spend a lot of time witht he it could really be good, but i have yet to see that happen. i usually stop going because of the redundantness of--"how are you feeling", and no matter your answer its always heres some anti-depressants, take em and shut up--kay maybe amity is a little bitter HAHAHA
so wahtever works for you!!
but please don't disregard outside help if you are feeling like using or depressed
"THESE BOOTS WERE MADE FOR WALKING"
HAHAHA, Nancy Sinatra.............one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you............I loved them white "Go-Go" boots she wore.
Somehow I am being lumped in with people's mums? Yes, I am old. THANKS!
Nuttin that a little Miss Holiday won't cure, Robbie as ya walk. You got troubles? Hers is twenty times worse and her haunting voice, and her phrasing of the lyrics cheer ya right up for YOURSELF cause ya feel so bad for her.
"I sit in my chair filled with despair ain't no one can be so blue". That's part of "Good Morning Heartache".
Hope you are feeling somewhat better, Robbie. Can I hijack this thread to flirt with Davey? Indeed Patsy lived her lyrics, Davey. Get out the cassette player, honey and I'll bring the tapes. Heck, how's about a record and a phonograph?
Wear your pink dress and blue eyeshadow, K?
Oh yeah Amity is a bitter, bitter babe. LOL Bryn adores you all. There's our meeting for the day.
HAHAHA, Nancy Sinatra.............one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you............I loved them white "Go-Go" boots she wore.
Somehow I am being lumped in with people's mums? Yes, I am old. THANKS!
Nuttin that a little Miss Holiday won't cure, Robbie as ya walk. You got troubles? Hers is twenty times worse and her haunting voice, and her phrasing of the lyrics cheer ya right up for YOURSELF cause ya feel so bad for her.
"I sit in my chair filled with despair ain't no one can be so blue". That's part of "Good Morning Heartache".
Hope you are feeling somewhat better, Robbie. Can I hijack this thread to flirt with Davey? Indeed Patsy lived her lyrics, Davey. Get out the cassette player, honey and I'll bring the tapes. Heck, how's about a record and a phonograph?
Wear your pink dress and blue eyeshadow, K?
Oh yeah Amity is a bitter, bitter babe. LOL Bryn adores you all. There's our meeting for the day.
..Bryn..
..Feel free to hijack the thread..but don't hijack me boots i may need them for later :)..yeh im doing ok bryn cheers..Robbie..
..Feel free to hijack the thread..but don't hijack me boots i may need them for later :)..yeh im doing ok bryn cheers..Robbie..
Can ya score me a pair of them right whimsical boots ya all wear?
Wellies are they?
I got my own Frye Engineeer boots thanks........I'm a funky Miss........just call me "Tank Girl".............heck, that movie.........when it came out.......my friend goes "You had that look going on before this chick"............LOL......yeah I wore them Engineer like biker boots with mini dresses.............I'm nuts!
Yo, Davey got a pair of stiletto's I think ya can practice in.
Hope ya slept, Robbie.............thinking of you.
Wellies are they?
I got my own Frye Engineeer boots thanks........I'm a funky Miss........just call me "Tank Girl".............heck, that movie.........when it came out.......my friend goes "You had that look going on before this chick"............LOL......yeah I wore them Engineer like biker boots with mini dresses.............I'm nuts!
Yo, Davey got a pair of stiletto's I think ya can practice in.
Hope ya slept, Robbie.............thinking of you.
"These Boots Are Made For Walkin'" - the one and only song I ever sang karaoke. However you are now picturing that, make me a little louder, a little drunker, and a little less inhibited...now you've got it. Learned that one the hard way. Got a nice cassette recording of it though...in case I ever need a reminder about embarrassing myself in public again. I can sing, though.
Amity~so much of what you said sounded so spot-on. Exactly how my daughter feels - she just 'broke up' with her therapist. Even though she really liked him she just felt like after all the intensive therapy she got in-patient in her two treatment settings she knows herself and has enough of a support system that she can deal on her own. I suppose that self-awareness was what treatment was all about. She's really into her meetings right now, and maybe always will be, but she relies on herself. Props to all who don't go and have found their own ways - you all have that self-awareness that came from overcoming your addiction, however you managed that. Do whatever works and leave the rest, same goes for those attending meetings. We are not one-size-fits-all, so no single solution will work for everyone.
Robbie~Hope things start looking up for you.. Until they do, sounds like you've got a plan. Keep getting those boots resoled and you'll be fine. =)
Peace Out~MomNMore
Amity~so much of what you said sounded so spot-on. Exactly how my daughter feels - she just 'broke up' with her therapist. Even though she really liked him she just felt like after all the intensive therapy she got in-patient in her two treatment settings she knows herself and has enough of a support system that she can deal on her own. I suppose that self-awareness was what treatment was all about. She's really into her meetings right now, and maybe always will be, but she relies on herself. Props to all who don't go and have found their own ways - you all have that self-awareness that came from overcoming your addiction, however you managed that. Do whatever works and leave the rest, same goes for those attending meetings. We are not one-size-fits-all, so no single solution will work for everyone.
Robbie~Hope things start looking up for you.. Until they do, sounds like you've got a plan. Keep getting those boots resoled and you'll be fine. =)
Peace Out~MomNMore
..Cheers Bryn..MomNMore..
..Slept real well and did'nt get up until 1 this afternoon, im a lazy git :)..weathers
real cold today so it was nice waking up and staying in bed in the warmth with a cuppa..wotever ya'll are up to this weekend, enjoy..Robbie..
..Slept real well and did'nt get up until 1 this afternoon, im a lazy git :)..weathers
real cold today so it was nice waking up and staying in bed in the warmth with a cuppa..wotever ya'll are up to this weekend, enjoy..Robbie..
