it has been 44 days since i took my last perkcet,and i'm wondering if this is worth it because i'm in physical pain,i know for a fact that if i started to take them again i won't take them as perscribed,i mean an't that what pain pills are for is to help with pain?and it's only normal your tolarance is going to increase after years of use?this is deffintley a double edged sword topic,i have tryed non narcotic meds with out any sucess,no relief at all,don't know what to do.vinny
Hello vinny dont do it your doing great iv read your posts and i really feel your strengts please stay in the lite im not one to say bacause i still take the pills but there has to be something that will help the pain someone will give you advice please my sweet vinny remember that bone.....if yoy no what i mean stay strong daer love yspearing
VVVVIIIIIIINNNNNYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
How is that member of yours???????? Mine came back too, and I got to play that sport without drugs or drinking.....I am forcing myself to learn how to live without using and it was fun!!!!! LOL.....I have to be careful because that could be a new addiction for me....
I deal with the same issue. But once you know, you can never go back. What I mean is, you have already crossed the line, so it is most likely that your use will go right back to where it was before!! I know this, I have done it. Sometimes I get so depressed with the pain. But stay away from tramadol..I kept that around so I wouldn't be tempted with vicoden. But that stuff is nasty...
Please stay honest with yourself and talk to your doctor about non narcotic alternatives. And let me know if you find any. Yoga helps me...alot.
I did it, and ended up in treatment again...so weigh it out, big guy. I don't think it is worth it, even though some days I get so pissed at the pain....
Hang in there and please please please don't go back...
Kerry
How is that member of yours???????? Mine came back too, and I got to play that sport without drugs or drinking.....I am forcing myself to learn how to live without using and it was fun!!!!! LOL.....I have to be careful because that could be a new addiction for me....
I deal with the same issue. But once you know, you can never go back. What I mean is, you have already crossed the line, so it is most likely that your use will go right back to where it was before!! I know this, I have done it. Sometimes I get so depressed with the pain. But stay away from tramadol..I kept that around so I wouldn't be tempted with vicoden. But that stuff is nasty...
Please stay honest with yourself and talk to your doctor about non narcotic alternatives. And let me know if you find any. Yoga helps me...alot.
I did it, and ended up in treatment again...so weigh it out, big guy. I don't think it is worth it, even though some days I get so pissed at the pain....
Hang in there and please please please don't go back...
Kerry
Kerry's right, big guy, you can't ever go back. What is your pain from? Is it life long? Unless it's terminal and you want to be in the grips of addiction for the rest of your life, you have to find another way to deal with your pain. Vinny, I have watched you come so far and your wit has left us all laughing our butts off... don't give in to the temptation and rationalization of taking the meds again. It is so not worth it. Just think of having to go back to not having a boner (as you so elequantly put it) again. That would be a bummer. Use that as your inspiration if you have to.
Speak to your doc. There are ways that aren't as much fun, but can help. He'll know best.
Hang in there..the best is yet to come.
Cowgirl
Speak to your doc. There are ways that aren't as much fun, but can help. He'll know best.
Hang in there..the best is yet to come.
Cowgirl
Vinny
I can totaly relate but I am afraid I have no answers that are better than already said. I suffer from chronic pain have a recent addiction to pain pills and alcohol...sorry I havent counted days clean but am please to be free especily from the booze which was making me insane. My pain is causing misery and days off work I have tried most non narcotic drugs and many other therapies...Most I know with my condition do not work with my paricular problem and I am told it for life.....unless God intervenes.
My addiction Dr, coucellor and support nurse fear a total relapse (having dabbled with painpills in the last week . Anyhow they have all suggested I go back on Subutex (Suboxone) long term at least 6 months to a yearand just concentrate on working famly and recovery. I have used it before and find it a very effective painkiller, I have few side effects, it dose not make me high and it blocks any opiates, if I am tempted to relapse. I know some will be horrified at this thinking from my addiction Dr but I am very tempted. I have been assured that I will be able to continue nursing safely while taking it.
Hope everyone is well I havent been reading the boards for ages
thanks for listening
Paul
I can totaly relate but I am afraid I have no answers that are better than already said. I suffer from chronic pain have a recent addiction to pain pills and alcohol...sorry I havent counted days clean but am please to be free especily from the booze which was making me insane. My pain is causing misery and days off work I have tried most non narcotic drugs and many other therapies...Most I know with my condition do not work with my paricular problem and I am told it for life.....unless God intervenes.
My addiction Dr, coucellor and support nurse fear a total relapse (having dabbled with painpills in the last week . Anyhow they have all suggested I go back on Subutex (Suboxone) long term at least 6 months to a yearand just concentrate on working famly and recovery. I have used it before and find it a very effective painkiller, I have few side effects, it dose not make me high and it blocks any opiates, if I am tempted to relapse. I know some will be horrified at this thinking from my addiction Dr but I am very tempted. I have been assured that I will be able to continue nursing safely while taking it.
Hope everyone is well I havent been reading the boards for ages
thanks for listening
Paul
thanks everyone for your kindness and support,this is soooooooo f***in hard to stay on the right path,the depression is completly taken over me,i feel alone even when i'm surround with people it's hard to explain it's like i don't want to be around anybody for any reason,i find nonthing fun or interesting anymore,i don't know what the hell is going on with me,is this all part of being sober?i hope it will pass soon because i'm worried about slipping back into the hell i just came from,i'm very confused and deppersed at this point of my recovery,i wish i was never born. vinny
Vinny, this is very much the stuff of early recovery. If you cave and use, eventually you will have to go through withdrawal again (no, you will not use just once--you will get hooked on the stuff again--I promise you). After that you will be at ground zero and sooner or later you will find yourself facing again that which are facing right now.
Vinny you really need to hang tough and see this through. I promise you it will get better but only if you do not use.
Get to a meeting and talk about what you wrote in your last post. I promise you that you will hear a lot of stories about people who have been exactly at this point. Those who just did not pick up and use eventually made it through to the other side. Those who picked up simply had to face ithis demon on another day.
I was told early on that sooner or later the day would come when nothing would stand between me and using drugs other than my faith in a higher power. Boy, were they ever right. I am not sure where you are at on that one, but I urge you to drop to your knees and pray to your HP, whether or not you really believe in Him. If you will do this each morning and each evening, I'll bet that you begin to find some relief within just a few days.
Please Vinny, don't cave to the monster now. You can do this. Open up your heart, let go of your pride, humbly turn over your will and life to God.
Heres wishing you a humungous hard-on in the days to come,
August
Vinny you really need to hang tough and see this through. I promise you it will get better but only if you do not use.
Get to a meeting and talk about what you wrote in your last post. I promise you that you will hear a lot of stories about people who have been exactly at this point. Those who just did not pick up and use eventually made it through to the other side. Those who picked up simply had to face ithis demon on another day.
I was told early on that sooner or later the day would come when nothing would stand between me and using drugs other than my faith in a higher power. Boy, were they ever right. I am not sure where you are at on that one, but I urge you to drop to your knees and pray to your HP, whether or not you really believe in Him. If you will do this each morning and each evening, I'll bet that you begin to find some relief within just a few days.
Please Vinny, don't cave to the monster now. You can do this. Open up your heart, let go of your pride, humbly turn over your will and life to God.
Heres wishing you a humungous hard-on in the days to come,
August
Vinny,
I'm sorry I didn't see your post earlier, not that my thoughts are gonna save you but I really do try and respond where I can relate with what someone is going through. First, to even say," isn't that what pain pills are for", is a set up for justification. I know, I've told myself that 1000 times, but I know me, and I know
when it's in my system my head tells me if I'm gonna take one, F-it, take 5 and enjoy it. I know what it's like to hurt and I know that these meds are meant for pain that a non-narcotic won't help, the problem is these meds. are also our drug of choice. That being said, I've had surgery quite a few times and quite a few kidney stones, I have one now as a matter of fact, so far I've been able to bite the bullet, but, I did get a script and gave it to my father who understands my problem as he is an "Old Timer" in A.A. If I do need a pill I have to ask and he'll bring me only what I need to take off the edge, not kill the pain just ease it so it's tolerable. So far I've hung in there. My suggestion is, I believe that sometimes some of us aren't gonna be able to avoid proper treatment for pain of some kind. If this is the case for you, please get someone outside of your home that you would trust with your life, that no matter what you say to them they won't give in, have that person hold the meds. if you really are in need of it, have this person either stop by with your dose or you can go pick it up. Not your dose for the day, I mean each dose. Aside from that, share about it with your sponsor, at a meeting here on the board anywhere, but keep accountable. What ever you do, don't fill the script yourself, or hold your own meds. Anyway,
thats my suggestion, hope you find what works for you, hang in there Vinny,
I'll be praying for you. I've been there, no matter what, don't let this disease convince you, you can handle it.
Take care......................................God bless......................................Bob
I'm sorry I didn't see your post earlier, not that my thoughts are gonna save you but I really do try and respond where I can relate with what someone is going through. First, to even say," isn't that what pain pills are for", is a set up for justification. I know, I've told myself that 1000 times, but I know me, and I know
when it's in my system my head tells me if I'm gonna take one, F-it, take 5 and enjoy it. I know what it's like to hurt and I know that these meds are meant for pain that a non-narcotic won't help, the problem is these meds. are also our drug of choice. That being said, I've had surgery quite a few times and quite a few kidney stones, I have one now as a matter of fact, so far I've been able to bite the bullet, but, I did get a script and gave it to my father who understands my problem as he is an "Old Timer" in A.A. If I do need a pill I have to ask and he'll bring me only what I need to take off the edge, not kill the pain just ease it so it's tolerable. So far I've hung in there. My suggestion is, I believe that sometimes some of us aren't gonna be able to avoid proper treatment for pain of some kind. If this is the case for you, please get someone outside of your home that you would trust with your life, that no matter what you say to them they won't give in, have that person hold the meds. if you really are in need of it, have this person either stop by with your dose or you can go pick it up. Not your dose for the day, I mean each dose. Aside from that, share about it with your sponsor, at a meeting here on the board anywhere, but keep accountable. What ever you do, don't fill the script yourself, or hold your own meds. Anyway,
thats my suggestion, hope you find what works for you, hang in there Vinny,
I'll be praying for you. I've been there, no matter what, don't let this disease convince you, you can handle it.
Take care......................................God bless......................................Bob
my fear now almost 2 weeks clean is that the pain won't ease up and i won't be able to find any other way but pills to fix it but as of now i don't ever want to have to give into the pain so please keep fighting and take all the advice given before me because it was good
bad,
i understand how you feel. i too have alot of pain and found it hard to deal with when clean, but using only mask the pain and the outcome is always worse. maybe look into natural pain relief. massage therapy works great, i just started and i like it alot. hang in there, we are here if you need us.
raerae
i understand how you feel. i too have alot of pain and found it hard to deal with when clean, but using only mask the pain and the outcome is always worse. maybe look into natural pain relief. massage therapy works great, i just started and i like it alot. hang in there, we are here if you need us.
raerae
Yo, Vinny, in my earlier post, I disregarded completely your pain issues. Sorry about that.
I know nothing about your pain, but do you think anti inflammatories might help? Toradol is one that has a good rep in recovery circles. I used Celebrex for awhile for my spleenal pain, with only marginal sucess.
During the height of my pain, I discussed the issue with my PCP and she suggested that I get off the percocet and try durgesic patches. Even though the patches are very addictive, they do not give you much of a buzz because they regulate the intake of the medication so slowly and evenly. I was not as scared of physical dependence as I was addiction in the sense of losing my soul again, so I went on the patches and had to use a lot of them as my pain escalated.
Eventually my chemo began to have an effect and the pain began to diminish. I committed to a very structured program of reducing my dosage 50mg to 25mg every six days when I would change patches. The tapering lasted about four or five weeks. I had to stretch it out because my body was very weakened by the chemo and I needed to recover from each taper before beginning the next. While it was not pleasant I did manage to survive it. I also managed to rearrange some furniture and throw out a lot of junk (all while in my bathrobe on chemo) during the worst of it. :-) The worst of it was on a single taper and that lasted only about three days.
On the whole, it was not as bad as the pain would have been had I not used the patches. I had some heavy mood swings for a few weeks after the taper was completed but no cravings to pick up the drugs again.
During my entire pain med use and withdrawal I used an old AA buddy as a temporary sponsor. I made a point of checking in with him every day. I also kept a diary with strict records as to time and amount of drug intake. Needless to say, I really clung to the Program in a big way. All of these probably helped me avoid the kinds of addictive cravings that most endure when they come off the meds.
I do not know if any of this will help. Pain management is a touchy subject and all I can do is offer you my experience. Take what fits and leave the rest.
August
I know nothing about your pain, but do you think anti inflammatories might help? Toradol is one that has a good rep in recovery circles. I used Celebrex for awhile for my spleenal pain, with only marginal sucess.
During the height of my pain, I discussed the issue with my PCP and she suggested that I get off the percocet and try durgesic patches. Even though the patches are very addictive, they do not give you much of a buzz because they regulate the intake of the medication so slowly and evenly. I was not as scared of physical dependence as I was addiction in the sense of losing my soul again, so I went on the patches and had to use a lot of them as my pain escalated.
Eventually my chemo began to have an effect and the pain began to diminish. I committed to a very structured program of reducing my dosage 50mg to 25mg every six days when I would change patches. The tapering lasted about four or five weeks. I had to stretch it out because my body was very weakened by the chemo and I needed to recover from each taper before beginning the next. While it was not pleasant I did manage to survive it. I also managed to rearrange some furniture and throw out a lot of junk (all while in my bathrobe on chemo) during the worst of it. :-) The worst of it was on a single taper and that lasted only about three days.
On the whole, it was not as bad as the pain would have been had I not used the patches. I had some heavy mood swings for a few weeks after the taper was completed but no cravings to pick up the drugs again.
During my entire pain med use and withdrawal I used an old AA buddy as a temporary sponsor. I made a point of checking in with him every day. I also kept a diary with strict records as to time and amount of drug intake. Needless to say, I really clung to the Program in a big way. All of these probably helped me avoid the kinds of addictive cravings that most endure when they come off the meds.
I do not know if any of this will help. Pain management is a touchy subject and all I can do is offer you my experience. Take what fits and leave the rest.
August
Vinny, I know how you feel with the depression. I could write out my life story here, and you would get depressed with me..lol.
But I know that it hurts, and the loss of desire in anything really makes life unbearable at times. It does get better, and it does come back. I think that it just takes a while with opiates. I personally think that while using those, we burned up our own happy juices. It will take a while for our brain chemistry to get better.
As for the physical pain, just weigh out your lowest moment in addiction to the physical pain that you feel now. Because I can guarantee you that is where you will end up. I know, I did it...
Exersize helps me alot, it centers me and gets those happy juices flowing. Music and working out are helping me now, also going to meetings. I don't know what it is about those rooms, but the chattering stops and I get out of myself for a while.
Have you been going to meetings? Find some good, positive people there, and leave the rest. Listen for the similarities, and get into the solution.
Hope you are well...
kerry
But I know that it hurts, and the loss of desire in anything really makes life unbearable at times. It does get better, and it does come back. I think that it just takes a while with opiates. I personally think that while using those, we burned up our own happy juices. It will take a while for our brain chemistry to get better.
As for the physical pain, just weigh out your lowest moment in addiction to the physical pain that you feel now. Because I can guarantee you that is where you will end up. I know, I did it...
Exersize helps me alot, it centers me and gets those happy juices flowing. Music and working out are helping me now, also going to meetings. I don't know what it is about those rooms, but the chattering stops and I get out of myself for a while.
Have you been going to meetings? Find some good, positive people there, and leave the rest. Listen for the similarities, and get into the solution.
Hope you are well...
kerry
Hi Vinny
I have just read my post and realised it was not helpful to you at all and all I did was spill out my story and difficulties. No wonder I was ignored. Sorry for that...you have been given some good advice from others and I am at least glad about that. Hope you did not think I was encouraging you to go on Sub.
Peace
Paul
I have just read my post and realised it was not helpful to you at all and all I did was spill out my story and difficulties. No wonder I was ignored. Sorry for that...you have been given some good advice from others and I am at least glad about that. Hope you did not think I was encouraging you to go on Sub.
Peace
Paul
