recently quit mj...quit cigarettes 1 yr ago...no prob! but am having prob w/crying and feelings of hoplessness and depression...user for 30 yrs...never thought about withdrawls..is this what im experiening? and now what? im scared and was very dependent on mj...is there life after? please ..im in dire need of some advice/help...
Hi. I've been struggling the last couple of months with trying to quit pot. I went cold turkey because i didn't think withdrawals were a problem. Well, they are. I advise you to get to a doctor because you will feel hopeless and really, really sad if you don't get help. Physically, when i withdraw i get physically sick and i feel like my brain has swapped itself with a mental person. I get very irrational and my boyfriend say's its like watching the guy withdraw from heroin on trainspotting. I'd usually just start smoking again because i felt so hopeless. Talking on here is a good thing and I've recieved great support. I've recently been to a doctor and he has prescribed valium to help overcome the withdrawals so i don't start smoking again. I haven't had a proper smoke in 5 days (I have had a little) but even with that little bit and no valium I would be a nutcase. I'm not feeling those terrible anxious feelings that make me pick up that little bowl of green. It is working for me so far. I'm not suggesting everyone go and take valium to help stop. stopping is very individual. But that is what is helping me. Withdrawals from pot are real!! I also find giving positive advice to others such as yourself helps with my journey. Goodluck and write whenever you feel you need help!
chrissy, thanks...i really dont what im gonna do or how to get by another day...i have developed a lung disorder..so i havent got a choice or believe me i wouldnt quit..i know thats stupid...buts its been like food and water to me for so long..you seem to be getting by ok...and i do have a great hubby that is soooo supportive...but all my friends ( the few that i have, cuz mj has restricted who i see and dont see) use. ive been avoiding them...guess im in the straight crowd now...use to make fun...who's laughing now? thanks again for both replys..keep up the good work.
Sheila, its sounds like we're from the same mould. I have always had weak lungs and always had bronchitis as a child. Smoking cigs and mj has not helped that. I work as a nurse in theatres and believe me, it is so embarrassing when i cough and cough and cough! I've been getting comments about it for years and its got to the point where i take codiene which is a cough suppressant. I'm hoping that quitting will help stop the cough. stopping cigs made it worse!! let me just say that i think i'm doing ok with quitting but i'm really worried about tonight. Other drugs are going to come out tonight and when i'm speeding i like to smoke. So we'll see how i go. you are doing the right thing but it is hard, hard, hard! Whenever you feel weak, just get on here and type whatever is on your mind. even if it stops you craving a smoke for another 5 minutes while you type, thats better than nothing. Search all the quitting sites on the internet and extract ideas and advice that might help you. And if you are really struggling, bite the bullet and head for a doctor or a counsellor. Don't try and talk to friends (they are usually smokers too if you've been a chronic user). I've tried talking to friends and they talked me back into smoking (even after being clean for three months). I know i write a lot and rattle on but i consider this part of my therapy as well. It helps so much just to type whats on your mind.
crissie-
Would you mind explaining the other drugs are coming out tonight comment? How many different pills do you take?
Shelia- read the threads that have been posted on in the last week, there is lots of good advice there and it sounds like you have not done that. There are many roads to being clean, but in the end, the only way to quit, is to quit.
Would you mind explaining the other drugs are coming out tonight comment? How many different pills do you take?
Shelia- read the threads that have been posted on in the last week, there is lots of good advice there and it sounds like you have not done that. There are many roads to being clean, but in the end, the only way to quit, is to quit.
hippienerd, i'm pretty hopeless! I'm trying to stop drugs but i love them too much. Sitting at home last night thinking of trying to be good even though its Friday and a friend walks in and throws a quarter of pot on my lap and said thats for you. I just threw it at my boyfriend. I try and give up and people come along and throw free drugs at me. Then he pulled out the ecstasy and speed and that was it. I thought i can't miss out and I joined in and had a brilliant night. How do you give up drugs when it is one of your fave pasttimes?
Chrissie.
Chrissie.
day 6 for me...been married for 22 yrs...all of them high...weve had a great life...but now w/o mj...we seem to not like one another...he says he is strong and needs no help...but he is very angry and more impaitent than before, never thought it could affect our relationship, but it is. We work hard, have a nice home on acreage, nice motorcycles, and cars, beautiful daughter and 2 granddaughters...that should be enuf to keep us happy??...NOT. I dont like whiners...and kind of feel like one now but this forum has helped. Thought I was strong...been thru ALOT of crap...boy this stuff has kicked my butt. I have been taking a herb...kava kava...strongest muscle relaxer in herb family...it takes the edge off...it really helps me sleep...i read where people are having dreams now that they are off mj...man i havent dreamed in so long...i smoked every day all day (except at work) for 25-30 yrs....probably have enuf in my system to last months! My 4 yr old grand daughter has been visiting and that has helped alot as she keeps me real busy and i very careful to be happy and fun for her...she will leave soon..and well that is going to be a new phase in this...im proud though that ive quit...im rambling so adios.
chrissy..sounds like you could use some of your own advice..why are continuing to hang with friends that dont care? arent you better than that? i agree that it is so hard but if you really want to quit, change friends. find some that understand and can help...im still looking!
Hi Sheila,
My husband is still smoking btw so I cannot imagine what it's like for the two of you....quiutting at the same time, you are going to have to rebuild your whole relationship as sober people, and that'll be hard. Hope you can be eachothers best friends to get through this, Sheila. Instead turning away from eachother. That's a long time to be together, it would be a shame.... Have you considered marital therapy that understands dynamics of addiction?
My husband is still smoking btw so I cannot imagine what it's like for the two of you....quiutting at the same time, you are going to have to rebuild your whole relationship as sober people, and that'll be hard. Hope you can be eachothers best friends to get through this, Sheila. Instead turning away from eachother. That's a long time to be together, it would be a shame.... Have you considered marital therapy that understands dynamics of addiction?
crisse-
1) you are not hopeless, you are here, trying to quit, if you were hopeless, you'd be like your friend, throwing drugs at people who are trying to quit.
2) had a brilliant night? and feel guilty now. so was it worth it or not? Friends who dont respect your space or support your goals are not friends you need in your life.
3) where the hell was your boyfriend when this was happening, obviously he dosen't support your goals or he would have told your so called friend not to throw free drugs at you.
4) miss out? hell, there will always be drugs around what you missed out on was a night appreciating how beautiful the world can be when you are sober. You only get so many days on this planet, how do you want to spend them, stoned? Reminds me of that Jimmy Buffet song "Cowboy in the Jungle" and he likes reefer!
5) You will have no problem "being good" if you come up with activites you enjoy more than getting stoned, sounds like you are out in the bush there in aussieland, can see how it might get "boring" but man, I sure miss the stars here in the city. One of my hobbies is astronomy (can't see the southern cross from here), I bet you have a great view of the sky there. (check out space.com sometime) As long as your only options are getting stoned or being bored the monsters will just keep coming. Keep your goals in sight, if you fall, pick yourself up and start walking again. Your friends want to drag you back there with them for their own reasons, don't let them destroy your progress, they have their lives to live and you have yours, it's your choice how to live it.
6) And think seriously about getting a new boyfriend, talk with him about breaking up, I know you don't want to but if you are serious about getting clean sooner or later it will be an issue with which you both must deal.
You can do it. The only way to quit is to quit.
1) you are not hopeless, you are here, trying to quit, if you were hopeless, you'd be like your friend, throwing drugs at people who are trying to quit.
2) had a brilliant night? and feel guilty now. so was it worth it or not? Friends who dont respect your space or support your goals are not friends you need in your life.
3) where the hell was your boyfriend when this was happening, obviously he dosen't support your goals or he would have told your so called friend not to throw free drugs at you.
4) miss out? hell, there will always be drugs around what you missed out on was a night appreciating how beautiful the world can be when you are sober. You only get so many days on this planet, how do you want to spend them, stoned? Reminds me of that Jimmy Buffet song "Cowboy in the Jungle" and he likes reefer!
5) You will have no problem "being good" if you come up with activites you enjoy more than getting stoned, sounds like you are out in the bush there in aussieland, can see how it might get "boring" but man, I sure miss the stars here in the city. One of my hobbies is astronomy (can't see the southern cross from here), I bet you have a great view of the sky there. (check out space.com sometime) As long as your only options are getting stoned or being bored the monsters will just keep coming. Keep your goals in sight, if you fall, pick yourself up and start walking again. Your friends want to drag you back there with them for their own reasons, don't let them destroy your progress, they have their lives to live and you have yours, it's your choice how to live it.
6) And think seriously about getting a new boyfriend, talk with him about breaking up, I know you don't want to but if you are serious about getting clean sooner or later it will be an issue with which you both must deal.
You can do it. The only way to quit is to quit.
Great advice Hippienerd!
I read an article about boredom and meditation this afternoon. It said what we are really bored of is ourselves. We create all of this mental chatter to distract ourselves fromwhats really going on. Our feelings of pain, anger and frustration mostly. It IS boring having to deal with issues we've been masking or running away from for years by using pot and drugs. But isn't it better to live life by feeling our emotions insted of running from them and never feeling at all? As of the 12th of this month, I haven't smoked ANY pot since June 12th. I've had a lot of emotions flooding the surface of my reality, my dreams. A lot of darkness from way back when resurfacing. I personally don't want all that darkness lurking in my sub-conscious any longer. This is my chance, my opportunity to start sheding some light on those places. They don't call it enlightenment for nothing.
I read an article about boredom and meditation this afternoon. It said what we are really bored of is ourselves. We create all of this mental chatter to distract ourselves fromwhats really going on. Our feelings of pain, anger and frustration mostly. It IS boring having to deal with issues we've been masking or running away from for years by using pot and drugs. But isn't it better to live life by feeling our emotions insted of running from them and never feeling at all? As of the 12th of this month, I haven't smoked ANY pot since June 12th. I've had a lot of emotions flooding the surface of my reality, my dreams. A lot of darkness from way back when resurfacing. I personally don't want all that darkness lurking in my sub-conscious any longer. This is my chance, my opportunity to start sheding some light on those places. They don't call it enlightenment for nothing.
Pearly, I have found your post extrememly insightful, thank you. I have been thinking about 1987 and why I don't remember a certain evening. I have researched the drug GHB (roofies) and I'm thinking there's something there, soon after that event I spiralled into treating my body like a garbage can. Time to face some emotions about that. Hoping the hospital calls soon as I know "group" would help me. Meanwhile I pulled out my emotions list. It helps to see all of the emotions we have, on paper and actually label them.
My husband is hugging me alot these days. Funny, hey, hugs not drugs? Did I mention how much I love him?
If anyone wants me to post my list of emotions, just ask.
I used to think there was two emotions, anger and sadness.
My husband is hugging me alot these days. Funny, hey, hugs not drugs? Did I mention how much I love him?
If anyone wants me to post my list of emotions, just ask.
I used to think there was two emotions, anger and sadness.
Joy,
How cool that you are able to expeirience your emotions when they come up. It's truely a gift. I have a journal that I keep close at hand when the mind chatter starts to take over. Usually means I'm on emotional overload or in avoidence mode. That's probably one of the reasons why I took drugs. Avoiding feeling. Masking my shadow side. I think everyone has a shadow side wheather they're an addict or not. For all of the light we have there is the darkness behind it. For me a lot of my "fake cheerfulness" "everything's fine!"" happy happy happy" sh-t is really just another way of avoiding judgement. Of myself and others. Another thing I like to do is flatter people all the time telling them how great they are to postpone judgement of them. Pretty sh-tty eh? Lately I've noticed a change or a shift in how I relate to people. I used to have this high squeeky voice from working with toddlers for so many years. Now it's much more deep and resonate. I can look people in the eye and tell them what i really think. It's finally more important what I think of myself than what others are thinking of me. That's a real first! F-ck em if they bring me out of my peace and joy. Let them take care of their own problems and drama for a change. I have a life to save and it's my own.
How cool that you are able to expeirience your emotions when they come up. It's truely a gift. I have a journal that I keep close at hand when the mind chatter starts to take over. Usually means I'm on emotional overload or in avoidence mode. That's probably one of the reasons why I took drugs. Avoiding feeling. Masking my shadow side. I think everyone has a shadow side wheather they're an addict or not. For all of the light we have there is the darkness behind it. For me a lot of my "fake cheerfulness" "everything's fine!"" happy happy happy" sh-t is really just another way of avoiding judgement. Of myself and others. Another thing I like to do is flatter people all the time telling them how great they are to postpone judgement of them. Pretty sh-tty eh? Lately I've noticed a change or a shift in how I relate to people. I used to have this high squeeky voice from working with toddlers for so many years. Now it's much more deep and resonate. I can look people in the eye and tell them what i really think. It's finally more important what I think of myself than what others are thinking of me. That's a real first! F-ck em if they bring me out of my peace and joy. Let them take care of their own problems and drama for a change. I have a life to save and it's my own.
Hippienerd, Thanks for your input. Just posted a topic saying how confused i am. For starters, your comment about my boyfriend is true. Why isn't he helping me out? When i got help from the doctor last week he said, well what am I going to do? He is the one always pushing to quit. He always tells me how much easier it is for him to quit, so with free pot around, he just keeps on getting stoned. I can't help myself either, i still have one or two. I even snuck one today when i got home from work as he hides it from me. I suggested that we sell the pot when it was given to us but its still here. Didn't help either that he offered to store ounces of the stuff in my bedroom for his friend. Luckily its gone cos i don't need that in my house. So, I love my boyfriend and he does encourage me to be good but he isn't helping really. hobbies are a thing that I seem to have lost because of my smoking habit. I love watching T.V. and drawing what i call my psychotic dots. Noone else gets them but i find drawing them therapeutic. I live in a beautiful setting, bush and mountain around me and the city just 5 mins drive away, but i just can't seem to get interested in getting out and seeing things. I am feeling really confused!
Chrissie,
I mean this in the most serious way and obviously you are serious about getting clean or you would not be posting. It sounds you are using numerous substances at numerous times. Obviously not dependent on the others from what you say. However, pot is what your primary concern is.
Now you have gone to a physician who has gladly written you a script for valium a highly addictive anti anxiety medication. Which alters your mood, increases depression, relieves anxiety only for the time in your system, about 4 hours, causes withdrawal, and cravings for more, tolerance, etc. etc. etc.
So on top of experimenting/using or whatever with speed and i cant remember what others you mentioned and not completely quiting marijuana you have now ADDED a new addictive medication to your potpouri.
Let me be the first to say I am all for treating anxiety and depression with individual, group therapy as well as medication management by a TRAINED therapist and PSYCHIATRIST, you may actually need some SSRI, SSNI, SSDI's for other reason, these are not addictive (they do have side effects when you stop them without slow titration), but they can assist with mood stabilization with or without drug problems. Obviously they are not going to work 100% if you are not using, but they will help otherwise too, i am living proof of that. (and many others i know)
It is great you have taken this as your first step, using this as therapy, but it doesnt seem to be getting you clean. In fact you have added a drug. Just think about it. Go to the other script drug forum see what they say about valium.
There are some that will also argue with what i say about the other meds i am referring too (welbutrin, paxil, lexapro,.zoloft, cymbalta, etc), and that is their opinions and their experiences. Things dont go well for everyone. Do your research you are a smart lady. I am not going to waste my time justifying myself and proving why i know this.
I have general concern for what you are advocating for you self and body. good luck to you. there is no easy answer, life is hard, otherwise none of us would have started drugs and continued them in the first place
I mean this in the most serious way and obviously you are serious about getting clean or you would not be posting. It sounds you are using numerous substances at numerous times. Obviously not dependent on the others from what you say. However, pot is what your primary concern is.
Now you have gone to a physician who has gladly written you a script for valium a highly addictive anti anxiety medication. Which alters your mood, increases depression, relieves anxiety only for the time in your system, about 4 hours, causes withdrawal, and cravings for more, tolerance, etc. etc. etc.
So on top of experimenting/using or whatever with speed and i cant remember what others you mentioned and not completely quiting marijuana you have now ADDED a new addictive medication to your potpouri.
Let me be the first to say I am all for treating anxiety and depression with individual, group therapy as well as medication management by a TRAINED therapist and PSYCHIATRIST, you may actually need some SSRI, SSNI, SSDI's for other reason, these are not addictive (they do have side effects when you stop them without slow titration), but they can assist with mood stabilization with or without drug problems. Obviously they are not going to work 100% if you are not using, but they will help otherwise too, i am living proof of that. (and many others i know)
It is great you have taken this as your first step, using this as therapy, but it doesnt seem to be getting you clean. In fact you have added a drug. Just think about it. Go to the other script drug forum see what they say about valium.
There are some that will also argue with what i say about the other meds i am referring too (welbutrin, paxil, lexapro,.zoloft, cymbalta, etc), and that is their opinions and their experiences. Things dont go well for everyone. Do your research you are a smart lady. I am not going to waste my time justifying myself and proving why i know this.
I have general concern for what you are advocating for you self and body. good luck to you. there is no easy answer, life is hard, otherwise none of us would have started drugs and continued them in the first place
Chrissie, does your Doctor know you are a drug addict?
Wonderwoman, he knows i'm a marijuana addict, he knows nothing of the others. I've just come to the realisation that the valium is not good if i'm not prepared to stop the other including mj. I haven't had any valium for a couple of days now because i've been smoking and I don't need the valium. I've always had a problem and interest with drugs since I can remember. As a kid of about 11 i started raiding nan's and mum's cupboards for codeine and phenergen. This has continued throughout my life and i still find myself in nan's cupboard sometimes. I became a nurse but really wanted to be a pharmacist after working many years in the pharmacy. I've always had a bad cough (before smoking) and discovered cough medicines, I can just keep going on but its sad isn't it. I really don't know where it all came from. I had a happy childhood but everyone took drugs and they still do. I think 60% of people my age are pot smokers at the moment. So its hard not to go anywhere and have it exposed to you. I feel pretty stupid but at the moment i don't feel upset about it. Must be the pot.
