whoah Paul, take a deep breath.....
yeah! I think I should take a deap breath more often lol just letting off steam liz
how are you?
Paul
how are you?
Paul
I'm doing ok Paul, thanks for asking. Hang in there, don't worry so much about everybody else. Just think about your sobriety. Whatever works for you, whatever that was that kept you sober for 15 years just go ahead and do it again.
Liz
Liz
Paul,
Good idea, as a matter of fact I think you gave me that same advice a few days back.Breathe.. You need to relax, there is nothing to figure out. We as addicts and alcoholics tend to anylize things way too much. I know I'm guilty of that big time. I know for a fact Teresa meant no harm mentioning manipulation.
Us "sick'os" lol do it all the time without realizing it. It wasn't till I got clean and sober till I recognized what I was doing. It's not that we're being mean or anything.
But we have spent a life time, wich means even before picking up, looking for instant gratification. We get that usually by manipulating and we don't even realize we're doing it most times. For me, I had gotten good at it, I did recognize it and manipulated situations and people even after I got sober. I could give you a long list of examples but theres really no need. But I will say after getting what ever it was I wanted through manipulation after I got sober was a lousy feeling. I've even done it not realizing I did. It takes alot of self exploring to change it and understand it but it's all worth it to stay sober and living honest, it's very freeing. If I may, for 15 years you did it your way, thats why you picked up again. I did it my way but it only took me two years till I picked up. I don't expect you to agree your not willing to do what is suggested and thats ok. But if you continue to do it your way again, the results will be the same. That was me for alot of years, always doing the same thing expecting different results.
Nothing changes if nothing changes. I know you'll wanna tell me you did go to AA but so did I. But, even though I went I didn't work it exactly the way it was suggested. If we really do everything that is suggested in AA or NA or whatever,
picking up wont happen, #1 reason why is we would never be in arms reach.
Take care................................God bless..........................................Bob
Good idea, as a matter of fact I think you gave me that same advice a few days back.Breathe.. You need to relax, there is nothing to figure out. We as addicts and alcoholics tend to anylize things way too much. I know I'm guilty of that big time. I know for a fact Teresa meant no harm mentioning manipulation.
Us "sick'os" lol do it all the time without realizing it. It wasn't till I got clean and sober till I recognized what I was doing. It's not that we're being mean or anything.
But we have spent a life time, wich means even before picking up, looking for instant gratification. We get that usually by manipulating and we don't even realize we're doing it most times. For me, I had gotten good at it, I did recognize it and manipulated situations and people even after I got sober. I could give you a long list of examples but theres really no need. But I will say after getting what ever it was I wanted through manipulation after I got sober was a lousy feeling. I've even done it not realizing I did. It takes alot of self exploring to change it and understand it but it's all worth it to stay sober and living honest, it's very freeing. If I may, for 15 years you did it your way, thats why you picked up again. I did it my way but it only took me two years till I picked up. I don't expect you to agree your not willing to do what is suggested and thats ok. But if you continue to do it your way again, the results will be the same. That was me for alot of years, always doing the same thing expecting different results.
Nothing changes if nothing changes. I know you'll wanna tell me you did go to AA but so did I. But, even though I went I didn't work it exactly the way it was suggested. If we really do everything that is suggested in AA or NA or whatever,
picking up wont happen, #1 reason why is we would never be in arms reach.
Take care................................God bless..........................................Bob
Thanks for the input Bob (really mean it mate)
just one thing......For 15 years I did not do it my way......but Gods way....
it worked and was ultimately the basis for the AA way. I just need to get back on the bus......so what you are saying is right, my way does not work, I have always known that I am just kicking agianst it, though sober for a while still need to sureender. Hope that helps clarify my position. there is more going on than meets the eye. My desent started with a crisis of faith.
Paul
just one thing......For 15 years I did not do it my way......but Gods way....
it worked and was ultimately the basis for the AA way. I just need to get back on the bus......so what you are saying is right, my way does not work, I have always known that I am just kicking agianst it, though sober for a while still need to sureender. Hope that helps clarify my position. there is more going on than meets the eye. My desent started with a crisis of faith.
Paul
Hi
I am struggling at the moment with Chronic pain (diagnosed condition) It hurts so much and tommorow i have an appointment with a Dr who is a pain specialist. I am worried, to say the least. I know i could get a narcotic drug to kill the pain but am worried about where this may lead. i have tried every other method of pain relief that does not involve narcotics and I am so tempted. I think i have done the right thing....before my appointment with the pain doc I am meeting my drugs counsellor. However everyone (including my local Dr and collegues, off the record, recommend cannabis) I dont want to take this route either, but my options are getting quite narrow.
I dont know what to do........i think i could persuade the pain dr to put me on some kind of maintenace(narcotic) pain relieving program. The pain Dr is a work collegue so trusts me. Its so tempting just thinking about the relief. It may sound like I am on the pity pot but really this is a dilema for me.
I dont know want to do?
Paul
I am struggling at the moment with Chronic pain (diagnosed condition) It hurts so much and tommorow i have an appointment with a Dr who is a pain specialist. I am worried, to say the least. I know i could get a narcotic drug to kill the pain but am worried about where this may lead. i have tried every other method of pain relief that does not involve narcotics and I am so tempted. I think i have done the right thing....before my appointment with the pain doc I am meeting my drugs counsellor. However everyone (including my local Dr and collegues, off the record, recommend cannabis) I dont want to take this route either, but my options are getting quite narrow.
I dont know what to do........i think i could persuade the pain dr to put me on some kind of maintenace(narcotic) pain relieving program. The pain Dr is a work collegue so trusts me. Its so tempting just thinking about the relief. It may sound like I am on the pity pot but really this is a dilema for me.
I dont know want to do?
Paul
