Fire..I think that's a really high number. There are alot of people here that are drug and alcohol free. Mostly because we listen to those that know better.
CG
Firesign:
Really? You think that? Hmm, makes me think. I always thought the majority were clean and living a program of recovery. Maybe we are just the loudest? If this is true, it makes me sad.
Rachel
I am on Diet Cokes,, totally addicted.. I will be on them the rest of my life..
Maybe it is a high number but thats something that stuck out in my head. Especially when it comes to AD's. I mean they are totally acceptable and you cant just stop taking them, you have to be weened off or you could have severe consequences. And they do alter your mood/mind whatever. Im not judging or bashing, i just read medusa and some others in the past that got totally attacked for not doing things the cowgirl, tim, rachel, etc way. ---even though what you guys say is true---if you want to be totally clean and off everything. all im saying is everyone is different and why is it ok to take some things and not ok to take others and if you do take something that the Addictionrecoveyguide cops dont agree with, you will be bashed to H*LL?
cowgirl writes
"MOSTLY BECAUSE WE LISTEN TO THOSE THAT KNOW BETTER".
give me a break
You have what cowgirl, a year or so?? Ive been clean and sober for 7 years at meetings consitently (of course i stopped going to meeting and i caught the high and mighty syndrome and relapsed) and the people who were relapsing after a year or two were the ones that thought they knew it all---im sorry, or knew better...No one is safe in this disease, we all have only right now.
"MOSTLY BECAUSE WE LISTEN TO THOSE THAT KNOW BETTER".
give me a break
You have what cowgirl, a year or so?? Ive been clean and sober for 7 years at meetings consitently (of course i stopped going to meeting and i caught the high and mighty syndrome and relapsed) and the people who were relapsing after a year or two were the ones that thought they knew it all---im sorry, or knew better...No one is safe in this disease, we all have only right now.
i will be on meds for the rest of my life...i have a mental illness...as a matter of fact i'm on my way to get some A/D's...do I care what anyone here thinks? heck no, i know what i need for a quality life...my doctors prescribe them and that's all i need to know...dr shopping? not this chick...working with dr's that i've worked with for over 7 years...
For the record, I don't consider myself an "addictionrecoveryguide cop." Nor do I think others are either. Just sharing our experience, strength and hope.
I also relapsed after seven years of working the program. I felt I didn't need it anymore as I was really young and probably was being a little hasty.
Rachel
I also relapsed after seven years of working the program. I felt I didn't need it anymore as I was really young and probably was being a little hasty.
Rachel
firesign ,
Nobody is bashing anyone to hell. I am not going to even get involved in this "pot as painkiller debate". If she wants the medical marijuana, go for it, whatever. Would I do it? Nope, but that is neither here nor there.
To compare anti-depressants with psychocative drugs is...disingenuous at best. These drugs are not immediate acting (many require 2 weeks or more for any perceived effect to be realized). There is no immediate gratification, no perceived positive reenforcement seen with booze, opiods, benzos, barbies, etc,etc....
They truly are not much different than drugs taken for peripheral body problems, such as insulin, heart medications, etc.
In fact, one of their problems is that their side effects are perceived to be greater than their benefits, which is not something often considered with pyschoactive drugs....(especially by addicts) And anti-psychotics are even worse, their side effects are often deemed so severe that many will discontinue even against advice, there is no true perceived positive reenforcement.....
Many drugs have to be weaned not just mood changers. For example, blood pressure medications cannot be abruptly stopped without creating dangerously high blood pressure spikes. Those folks on them ain't addicts...Remember, its all mental...forget the physical part.
In fact, the black market in pills says it all, there ain't alot of dealers for Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Remeron, Elavil, Giodon, etc, etc, If these drugs had any deemed "immediate positive reenforcement" there would be......
Sorry for the book, but I want to be exact in what I say so it can't be misinterpreted....
Nobody is bashing anyone to hell. I am not going to even get involved in this "pot as painkiller debate". If she wants the medical marijuana, go for it, whatever. Would I do it? Nope, but that is neither here nor there.
To compare anti-depressants with psychocative drugs is...disingenuous at best. These drugs are not immediate acting (many require 2 weeks or more for any perceived effect to be realized). There is no immediate gratification, no perceived positive reenforcement seen with booze, opiods, benzos, barbies, etc,etc....
They truly are not much different than drugs taken for peripheral body problems, such as insulin, heart medications, etc.
In fact, one of their problems is that their side effects are perceived to be greater than their benefits, which is not something often considered with pyschoactive drugs....(especially by addicts) And anti-psychotics are even worse, their side effects are often deemed so severe that many will discontinue even against advice, there is no true perceived positive reenforcement.....
Many drugs have to be weaned not just mood changers. For example, blood pressure medications cannot be abruptly stopped without creating dangerously high blood pressure spikes. Those folks on them ain't addicts...Remember, its all mental...forget the physical part.
In fact, the black market in pills says it all, there ain't alot of dealers for Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Remeron, Elavil, Giodon, etc, etc, If these drugs had any deemed "immediate positive reenforcement" there would be......
Sorry for the book, but I want to be exact in what I say so it can't be misinterpreted....
I'm not sure what you mean Fire...you have 7 years and I have a little over a year? Are you comparing those days for some reason? I said I listen to those who know better...yep, those that are clean and sober and work a strong recovery program. They know more than I do. So I listen. Do you have a problem with that?
I share my experience hope and strength with those that are still struggling. What I see you doing is attacking those that are trying to help. I also see you stirring up alot of s*** for no other reason than to make you feel better. I don't see you helping people or the situation too much.
As far as AD's? You're splitting hairs and you know it. You know that as long as you are under a dr's supervision and NOT abusing a medication, you are clean and sober. Some choose to not take anything at all, that's so cool for them, but some have no choice. My sponsor takes AD's and would not be alive today without them. Personally, I would rather have her here with me.
Cowgirl
I share my experience hope and strength with those that are still struggling. What I see you doing is attacking those that are trying to help. I also see you stirring up alot of s*** for no other reason than to make you feel better. I don't see you helping people or the situation too much.
As far as AD's? You're splitting hairs and you know it. You know that as long as you are under a dr's supervision and NOT abusing a medication, you are clean and sober. Some choose to not take anything at all, that's so cool for them, but some have no choice. My sponsor takes AD's and would not be alive today without them. Personally, I would rather have her here with me.
Cowgirl
you have a very valid point...i've been on a/d's for the greater part of my adult life...never gotten a high off of them, what i do get is the opportunity to not sit around crying, being angry for no reason at all, being cruel...a lot of other things...if i was diabetic no one would be begrudging my insulin...
Becareful with your last statement Janet....someone might.
Geeze.
Geeze.
lisa, you know me well enough that i'm not going to let anyone's opinions affect me with my daily medications...i allow others to voice what they think is right and then tell them they are allowed their opinion...when i'm wrong...promptly admit it...i take what i need and leave the rest...
the whole deal is that nobody knows us personally, have not been where we have been, what we have gone through and who we really are beyond the typewritten word...
and with that, i'm outta here, i have a dr to see
the whole deal is that nobody knows us personally, have not been where we have been, what we have gone through and who we really are beyond the typewritten word...
and with that, i'm outta here, i have a dr to see
How did you get so smart?
lol....some little birdies taught me some great lessons!
you know get to the nitty gritty... my aunt who by the way is a recovering addict takes a hormone for cervical cancer remission or something along that line and she said that it effects her mood. Does make her high but effects her overall mood so... technically she isnt clean?... she takes one a day like a good little patient and that all... but wow using fires logic.... ummm... dont know...
I agree 150% with what tim, rachael, and lisa have all said.... esp the last part lisa regarding warning labels.. i bout fell off my chair...lol....
Teresa
I agree 150% with what tim, rachael, and lisa have all said.... esp the last part lisa regarding warning labels.. i bout fell off my chair...lol....
Teresa
WHATEVER
ive never taken ad's ---i was TRYING to state that most people take something
for whatever reason. If its not up to some people's "recovery status" they get bashed--that is what ive seen a lot. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with the pot thing. I didnt meand to stir up Sh"t, it just happend. I wasnt comparing clean dates. I made a statement that people who think they are superior to others in this disease are usually the ones to fall. I have tried to help people here-in my own way, not the dictorial way----whatever
ive never taken ad's ---i was TRYING to state that most people take something
for whatever reason. If its not up to some people's "recovery status" they get bashed--that is what ive seen a lot. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with the pot thing. I didnt meand to stir up Sh"t, it just happend. I wasnt comparing clean dates. I made a statement that people who think they are superior to others in this disease are usually the ones to fall. I have tried to help people here-in my own way, not the dictorial way----whatever
My opinion is, when AD's are brought up, or tobacco and caffeine, for that matter, it is just a smokescreen. It is a way to divert the original message. Don't get bogged down with that bulls***, it's not worth it. Somebody throws it out every three months or so to start a whole other debate. Stick to the facts. In my profession when I am giving clinical information about a disease and the Dr. throws up a ridiculous objection, I nip it in the bud right there. I won't let it dilute my original message.
Rachel
Rachel
one last thing
Im definitely not one to say who is clean and who isnt and dont know how it came across as that.
Im definitely not one to say who is clean and who isnt and dont know how it came across as that.
Cowgirl ,
Using medications as prescribed is obviously legit. Now considering people seem to love ANY chemical that will give them that quick change in their psychological state, if there was any use of the anti-depressants/psychotics at all in this regard, we would see the same huge underground market like we do with opiods. Ah, but we don't. I am not saying you think that A/D's are like opiods, just something for your arsenal if someone ever tells you that A/D's are just like morphine.
Funny, now that I think of it, I have just hit it on the head on why I go to AA even though I am a pillhead. In my AA experience, they never talk about when they might need alcohol, uhhh. 'cause you never need it for a medical reason. My situation may not be exactly the same, but so what? I want to think like they think. I want to think no opiates (or other drugs for that matter) no matter what.
I also get ALOT of ESH from them. If they can avoid a drug that is EVERYWHERE, I can avoid a drug I have to scrounge for, oh...and the booze too.....
Using medications as prescribed is obviously legit. Now considering people seem to love ANY chemical that will give them that quick change in their psychological state, if there was any use of the anti-depressants/psychotics at all in this regard, we would see the same huge underground market like we do with opiods. Ah, but we don't. I am not saying you think that A/D's are like opiods, just something for your arsenal if someone ever tells you that A/D's are just like morphine.
Funny, now that I think of it, I have just hit it on the head on why I go to AA even though I am a pillhead. In my AA experience, they never talk about when they might need alcohol, uhhh. 'cause you never need it for a medical reason. My situation may not be exactly the same, but so what? I want to think like they think. I want to think no opiates (or other drugs for that matter) no matter what.
I also get ALOT of ESH from them. If they can avoid a drug that is EVERYWHERE, I can avoid a drug I have to scrounge for, oh...and the booze too.....
Thanks, Elim. You're right about AA. I like my women's group there for the very same reason.
And Rach, yep, you're right. Why make this any harder than it has to be and confuse the issue? You are absolutly correct.
Fire...I don't know where this thread went awry with you. You weren't very clear in your post and made it sound like you were comparing our years of clean time. I just didn't understand. It's a no brainer that ANYONE, no matter how much clean time, can relapse. But I don't think it's the ones who work a strong, honest program and those are the ones I listen too. I will never have enough years of clean that I don't need to be educated.
Ok, I'm out for the day...I hope everyone has a better day than we did a morning.
Love
Cowgirl
And Rach, yep, you're right. Why make this any harder than it has to be and confuse the issue? You are absolutly correct.
Fire...I don't know where this thread went awry with you. You weren't very clear in your post and made it sound like you were comparing our years of clean time. I just didn't understand. It's a no brainer that ANYONE, no matter how much clean time, can relapse. But I don't think it's the ones who work a strong, honest program and those are the ones I listen too. I will never have enough years of clean that I don't need to be educated.
Ok, I'm out for the day...I hope everyone has a better day than we did a morning.
Love
Cowgirl
