Summer by law thewy must take you immediatly at the ER ifyour having trouble breathing. Do not be stupid. Call 911 Now. And be prepared to have people who do not even know a thing about suboxone. Many doctors --hospitals still do nt know WETF suboxone is and its side effects.
Summer Be smart--911
Which is it sommer...I thought she said she took 4mg in the am and 4mg in the pm....and took her last dose of 4mg thursday night? Anyway it is alot either way...I bet her BP is crazy right now...sheesh...I am very concerned
Kee Kee I think it was 8mg--Man How many addicts does god put in our lives?
I been working this account in Austin Texas and she and i agreed my stuff rocks and her boss okayed the change of vendor. We spoke on Tuesday --she calls me today to apologize for not faxing order like she said. She is very professional.
she said she had a family problem. And for some reason I said you okay? I knew nobody died and she said her son was sick. I said is he in treatment? She just went silent and said how did you know.
i said I am a member of a club and ? just could tell.
opened up and went 5+ minutes. I was the first person she told. We talked for 15 minutes. Got my order to-- She is so sweet. Amazing how this disease works
she is 12.5 yrs sober--Her son was put into rehab. 17 yrs old
I helped her she helped me today.
that's how recovery worked for me today. sorry to go off topic but this was a pretty cool story for me anyway.
Amazing
I been working this account in Austin Texas and she and i agreed my stuff rocks and her boss okayed the change of vendor. We spoke on Tuesday --she calls me today to apologize for not faxing order like she said. She is very professional.
she said she had a family problem. And for some reason I said you okay? I knew nobody died and she said her son was sick. I said is he in treatment? She just went silent and said how did you know.
i said I am a member of a club and ? just could tell.
opened up and went 5+ minutes. I was the first person she told. We talked for 15 minutes. Got my order to-- She is so sweet. Amazing how this disease works
she is 12.5 yrs sober--Her son was put into rehab. 17 yrs old
I helped her she helped me today.
that's how recovery worked for me today. sorry to go off topic but this was a pretty cool story for me anyway.
Amazing
Jeff...that truly is amazing! Good job on getting that order and speaking with your client about her son..I bet it was a huge relief for her.
I had a job interview last week with a publisher...looking for a salesperson for this Island. I sat and talked with him for an hour and half...turns out he wants me for Sales Manager...looking after 5 of the Hawaiian Islands...that is so me!!!! What a break...I am so ready for this one...anyway we chatted and agreed to talk in the New Year.
I was at a my meeting the next night and we always ask if there are any visitors...well this guy pipes up...Hi I am _________from Maui....Well its HIM.....the guy I met with...he has been in the program for 24 years...talk about a connection!!!
We chatted a bit more and have been in contact by email...will meet next week!!! So I know what you mean....incredible
I had a job interview last week with a publisher...looking for a salesperson for this Island. I sat and talked with him for an hour and half...turns out he wants me for Sales Manager...looking after 5 of the Hawaiian Islands...that is so me!!!! What a break...I am so ready for this one...anyway we chatted and agreed to talk in the New Year.
I was at a my meeting the next night and we always ask if there are any visitors...well this guy pipes up...Hi I am _________from Maui....Well its HIM.....the guy I met with...he has been in the program for 24 years...talk about a connection!!!
We chatted a bit more and have been in contact by email...will meet next week!!! So I know what you mean....incredible
Thats an awesome story. Its amazing Kee kee how it works.
You single? Want to adopt a Maniac for a pet. I will do anything to get to maui. I will call you in 11 yrs. My youngest will be 18 and I will be hopefully retiring.
LOL-
Good night Kee kee
You single? Want to adopt a Maniac for a pet. I will do anything to get to maui. I will call you in 11 yrs. My youngest will be 18 and I will be hopefully retiring.
LOL-
Good night Kee kee
big hug and prayers for you........
please just go to the er with the c/o of chest pain and shortness of breath......
you will be treated right away.
God Bless you
thumper
please just go to the er with the c/o of chest pain and shortness of breath......
you will be treated right away.
God Bless you
thumper
Summer, please let us know how you are. AND PLEASE EMAIL ATLAS...SHE HAS HER EMAIL ON HER POST....IN BLUE LETTERS. SHE WAS THE ONE WHO OFFERED TO CALL THE DOC FOR YOU. SHE KNOWS SO MUCH ABOUT THIS AND CAN GET YOUR DOCTOR TO PULL HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS a**. I KNOW SHE CAN.
We have a few GA gals here; maybe someone can help? Do you have any help with you?
I am hoping you went to the ER and got some help...
We have a few GA gals here; maybe someone can help? Do you have any help with you?
I am hoping you went to the ER and got some help...
I have been reading this and have not weighed in on it. Even though opiate wds in and of themselves will not kill you, the stress you are putting on yourself can, will and does. Go to the ER asap. I understand you reluctancy. I have been in methadone wds many a time and had to go to the same ERs that I had been to numerous times seeking my DOC. It can be a humiliating experience but as you said a while ago God is with you and will help you through this. The expression "God will move mountains but He expects you to bring a shovel" is true.
Help yourself and go now to the ER. By law if a person is in wds through no fault of their own the ER must (but we all know Drs in the ER can be amoung the biggest of aholes when it comes to these matters) give you Sub for 3 days until they can make arrangements for you. It is called the "72 hour rule". That doesn't mean a script for 3 days worth of Sub to take home. It is my understanding that you would have to go to the ER and take the meds there. And in the mean time the personnel at the hospital must try and make arrangements for you to get the help you need. That is because the Dr may not be waivered to rx the Sub. But they can get it from the in-house pharmacy.
Of course there is the school of thought here that after a week without Sub you may be peaking as far as the wds are concerned. But I have heard they are as long to get over as methadone if you just drop without weening slowly. At the very least you need to get somethoing like clonidine and a benzo.
Good luck!
Jw
Help yourself and go now to the ER. By law if a person is in wds through no fault of their own the ER must (but we all know Drs in the ER can be amoung the biggest of aholes when it comes to these matters) give you Sub for 3 days until they can make arrangements for you. It is called the "72 hour rule". That doesn't mean a script for 3 days worth of Sub to take home. It is my understanding that you would have to go to the ER and take the meds there. And in the mean time the personnel at the hospital must try and make arrangements for you to get the help you need. That is because the Dr may not be waivered to rx the Sub. But they can get it from the in-house pharmacy.
Of course there is the school of thought here that after a week without Sub you may be peaking as far as the wds are concerned. But I have heard they are as long to get over as methadone if you just drop without weening slowly. At the very least you need to get somethoing like clonidine and a benzo.
Good luck!
Jw
SUMMER.......I LIVE NEAR ATLANTA, TOO! I am west of the city, past 6 Flags. I have a WONDERFUL Sub. dr who will probably be happy to see you. There is no wait (last I heard he wasn't full), if that is the route you want to take.
Email Atlas, or me, and we will get you some help, promise!
Mine..........laurenk834@aol.com.
This is just wrong, and dangerous. Let us help you.
OMG, you are in Atlanta? I KNOW you can get help fast. Carol is a close friend of mine and her doctor is the best. She has a good rapport with him, and he might clear a spot for you today. Please email me, ASAP. I know Carol is very busy today, but I can call her and get the name of her doctor for you. I'm sure she would call and explain your situation.
I will be online for a bit, and I'll check in as much as possible today, but I have to be out for a couple of hours this afternoon. If you get online and read this, just email me and Carol and see who responds the fastest. It IS possible that you could see this doctor and have your prescription by late this afternoon. Even just ONE prescription, to do a proper taper, and you would not have to suffer this much.
I'm pretty sure she jumped off at 8mg. She took 8 mg, and then had only 4 mg left and took it the following morning...one week ago.
Let us help you. If you want off the sub, you CAN taper down with ONE prescription. You CAN do this the easy way. If I thought you would be okay in a few days, I wouldn't be so worried. Please reach out and let us help get you into a doctor. It's so much easier to handle all these things when you are not in the middle of HELL.
Edited to add: I am very concerned for your safety. With all the physical and mental stuff going on, are you okay to drive? I have to wonder if you are/will make good decisions in this rough time. It is so hard to manage daily tasks when a person is under so much duress. I just want you to be okay.
I will be online for a bit, and I'll check in as much as possible today, but I have to be out for a couple of hours this afternoon. If you get online and read this, just email me and Carol and see who responds the fastest. It IS possible that you could see this doctor and have your prescription by late this afternoon. Even just ONE prescription, to do a proper taper, and you would not have to suffer this much.
I'm pretty sure she jumped off at 8mg. She took 8 mg, and then had only 4 mg left and took it the following morning...one week ago.
Let us help you. If you want off the sub, you CAN taper down with ONE prescription. You CAN do this the easy way. If I thought you would be okay in a few days, I wouldn't be so worried. Please reach out and let us help get you into a doctor. It's so much easier to handle all these things when you are not in the middle of HELL.
Edited to add: I am very concerned for your safety. With all the physical and mental stuff going on, are you okay to drive? I have to wonder if you are/will make good decisions in this rough time. It is so hard to manage daily tasks when a person is under so much duress. I just want you to be okay.
Well, I am sure everyone is curious as to how my night turned out. I took an Ambien around nine, but that was no help what-so-ever. Around midnight I made the decision to head to the ER. It was not as bad as I thought, but I left with nothing being accomplished. The put me in this small exam room and I was climbing the walls, so badly because I could not sit still. The nurses wre very nice. The doctor came in and I told him my story. He left the room for a bit than came back with an answer to my problem(Or at least he thought it was an answer!) He could basiclly do NOTHING! He would not give me anything to relieve the withdrawl because He felt that would only feed to my addiction. He said that my symptoms were not life threatning. So, now I am stuck with a nice hospital bill and still at sqaure one! This morning when I woke up, it was horrible because I was so extremely jittery that I could not even see straight.
And for those that are asking, Yes, I was taking 8mg. a day up until last Thursday morning I just took my last 4mg.
And for those that are asking, Yes, I was taking 8mg. a day up until last Thursday morning I just took my last 4mg.
Summer-
OH MY GOD. That is all I can say. This dr. is a complete JERK! This is just sickening that you have to go through this.
I am on 8mg's of sub per day, and I will say I have jumped off that amount before, and I KNOW how horrible it can be..................
8mg's is a high dosage, WAY WAY to high to jump cold turkey.
Please Please email Atlas or one of the girls in GA..............I know with all of us on this board we can get you some help.............
I am in Illinois, but will do anything I can to help you here.......
Please sweetie hang in there, That ER dr. probably truth be known didnt even know what Suboxone was, that is how educated they are on the subject............
Hang in there.
Big Big Hugs.
Keep posting, Please.
OH MY GOD. That is all I can say. This dr. is a complete JERK! This is just sickening that you have to go through this.
I am on 8mg's of sub per day, and I will say I have jumped off that amount before, and I KNOW how horrible it can be..................
8mg's is a high dosage, WAY WAY to high to jump cold turkey.
Please Please email Atlas or one of the girls in GA..............I know with all of us on this board we can get you some help.............
I am in Illinois, but will do anything I can to help you here.......
Please sweetie hang in there, That ER dr. probably truth be known didnt even know what Suboxone was, that is how educated they are on the subject............
Hang in there.
Big Big Hugs.
Keep posting, Please.
Summer Ive been away for a bit but huny my heart goes out to you.What that Dr did was so wrong I cant even tell you how wrong.
I dont know your insurence history or anything but Carol had an AWESOME suggestion.PLEASE find another Sub Dr ASAP
What This QUACK did is something that can make you relapse so easily & trust me THAT IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!.
Im so sorry your going through this.
Make calls & get to a GOOD Sub Dr NOW
Try to find an addiction specialist who will totally understand.what your Dr did was wrong & mentally can harm you.
good luck sweety & PLEASE let us know whats going on ok?
Molly
I dont know your insurence history or anything but Carol had an AWESOME suggestion.PLEASE find another Sub Dr ASAP
What This QUACK did is something that can make you relapse so easily & trust me THAT IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!.
Im so sorry your going through this.
Make calls & get to a GOOD Sub Dr NOW
Try to find an addiction specialist who will totally understand.what your Dr did was wrong & mentally can harm you.
good luck sweety & PLEASE let us know whats going on ok?
Molly
Summer.......I am here now and would love to hear from you, hey! We might be neighbors! Which side of Atlanta are you near? You may be reluctant to contact me off board, but the others here can tell you, I am OK, not a whack job or anything, and will do all I can to help you if I can. Myself and Atlas....contact either one of us, please.
Sucks about the ER, but I am assuming they checked your BP and felt you were OK. There really isn't anything they can do to minimize the W/D symptoms, except to give you more opiates. A Sub, dr, however, can put you back on Sub., if that is the route you want to go. That is not a decision anyone but you can make. If you want to try that, I will help you get in with my dr. if you want.
Good luck.
Summer as someone who has been blessed enough to get to know,form a bond & become friends with I can say from my heart
CAROL is one of the best most caring people on here.To me she feels like family though we've havent met yet.And I know FIRST HAND....she will help you anyway she can
molly
CAROL is one of the best most caring people on here.To me she feels like family though we've havent met yet.And I know FIRST HAND....she will help you anyway she can
molly
I feel so bad for you....
Sending some good thoughts your way,
This just sucks, and it isn't suppose to be this way.....
Hang in there,
Love,
Tina
Sending some good thoughts your way,
This just sucks, and it isn't suppose to be this way.....
Hang in there,
Love,
Tina
It is unfortunate that this has occurred, but it happens daily. There are no laws protecting us against this. A doctors office is a fee for service, it is a business not charity, as long as they get paid, they do not care. Hard core facts, unethical? depends on who you are talking to, he let her go within the medical 'safe' range, according to my doctor, yes I called him with this situation, the above were his comments. Morally it could be considered wrong, but that is up the physician, he/she are not going to do anything to jeopardize their practice, especially since the 30 patient limit has been lifted to 100.
I asked him if he would dismiss a patient based on the above situation, he said no, he would have given her enough to detox, then call it a night.
This is a good example of questions we do not think about to ask on the first visit, the 'what if's'. We can not assume 'the good' doctor is going to give us anything for free, should something unforeseen happen down the road.
Here lies the doctors themselves have never detoxed off sub or any other drug for that matter, in most cases, they go on text book material. So to them, it should be 'some' discomfort, but not a death sentence.
They do not care that we have responsibilities ie. family, work, etc.
I would still report him, not sure anything will come out of it, but if we all did this then perhaps the system will change to help those of us who by whatever means cant continue treatment, they would feel obligated to help you to get off or refer to someone who could help.
That is the bottom line, it isn't against the law, it is a moral obligation, then you have to question their ethics. Oath? look it up, It is just an Oath, not law.
This is the reality of our Medical Establishment. They protect one another.
Not all doctors are like this. There are some great physicians out there that really do care. It is however a fine line for them, just like the E.R. doctor wasn't comfortable giving you any comfort meds.
I think a lot of it, is out of ignorance and being jaded after seeing addict after addict come thru those doors for drugs. Those folks hurt people like you that legitimately need help.
I feel your pain, and I am sorry you are going through this, I do hope you find someone that will help you with this.
I asked him if he would dismiss a patient based on the above situation, he said no, he would have given her enough to detox, then call it a night.
This is a good example of questions we do not think about to ask on the first visit, the 'what if's'. We can not assume 'the good' doctor is going to give us anything for free, should something unforeseen happen down the road.
Here lies the doctors themselves have never detoxed off sub or any other drug for that matter, in most cases, they go on text book material. So to them, it should be 'some' discomfort, but not a death sentence.
They do not care that we have responsibilities ie. family, work, etc.
I would still report him, not sure anything will come out of it, but if we all did this then perhaps the system will change to help those of us who by whatever means cant continue treatment, they would feel obligated to help you to get off or refer to someone who could help.
That is the bottom line, it isn't against the law, it is a moral obligation, then you have to question their ethics. Oath? look it up, It is just an Oath, not law.
This is the reality of our Medical Establishment. They protect one another.
Not all doctors are like this. There are some great physicians out there that really do care. It is however a fine line for them, just like the E.R. doctor wasn't comfortable giving you any comfort meds.
I think a lot of it, is out of ignorance and being jaded after seeing addict after addict come thru those doors for drugs. Those folks hurt people like you that legitimately need help.
I feel your pain, and I am sorry you are going through this, I do hope you find someone that will help you with this.
Summer...I'm so sorry that the ER didn't do anything for you but at least you know that you're heart rate isn't life threatening. Unfortunately, way too many dr DON"T know what to do with Sub patients. Or addicts in general for that matter.
Did you email Atlas or Carol?
Bottom line here kiddo, you do not have to continue to live like this. There are solutions and you can get some help. You are perfectly safe with either of these women, so please trust...just this once that they will help you and not hurt you. I know that cyber space is scary but this board is different, we've all been where you are in way or another.
If you try to ride this out, this could go on for months...
Big hugs
Did you email Atlas or Carol?
Bottom line here kiddo, you do not have to continue to live like this. There are solutions and you can get some help. You are perfectly safe with either of these women, so please trust...just this once that they will help you and not hurt you. I know that cyber space is scary but this board is different, we've all been where you are in way or another.
If you try to ride this out, this could go on for months...
Big hugs
You are kidding right Brooke....
Your doctor actually told you that 8 mgs ( that what she was on or 4 mgs hell either way was an acceptable dose to cut someone from....
From what it looks here he just cut her off.....
And with the patient limit relaxed some more it really makes no sense.
The er I understand been there done that with the hubby. The nurses were horrible. Right away as they were checking his vitals I watched them write addict/ drug seeking on his chart why because he was honest..... Thankfully I was there and the doctor was a bit more normal. He asked important questions, and he did give clonodine. My husband didn't go in for anything, he truely thought being 10 days out something was wrong with the chest pains he was having. With those chest pains, and the shortness of breath we waited until the whole er was cleared. And I can read those machines. His bp was high.
This is something that needs to be fixed, and soon.....
What have we become as a society....
What are we if we sit and this continues. I understand that they are leery, they see addict, or whatever there mindless judgemental stupidity brings into mind.
Your doctor actually told you that 8 mgs ( that what she was on or 4 mgs hell either way was an acceptable dose to cut someone from....
From what it looks here he just cut her off.....
And with the patient limit relaxed some more it really makes no sense.
The er I understand been there done that with the hubby. The nurses were horrible. Right away as they were checking his vitals I watched them write addict/ drug seeking on his chart why because he was honest..... Thankfully I was there and the doctor was a bit more normal. He asked important questions, and he did give clonodine. My husband didn't go in for anything, he truely thought being 10 days out something was wrong with the chest pains he was having. With those chest pains, and the shortness of breath we waited until the whole er was cleared. And I can read those machines. His bp was high.
This is something that needs to be fixed, and soon.....
What have we become as a society....
What are we if we sit and this continues. I understand that they are leery, they see addict, or whatever there mindless judgemental stupidity brings into mind.
That is so wrong, that they would make anyone wait when complaining of chest pain or shortness of breath. I would think they would be afraid of malpractice if someone had a heart attack out in the waiting room and they hadn't taken them right in.
I've always thought that honesty was the best policy but now I wonder......
I've always thought that honesty was the best policy but now I wonder......
