There were many things that didn't help me get or stay clean but some of them were:
A doctor telling me I would probably take xanax for the rest of my life
A psychiatrist telling me I would never get clean (took that one to the bank for quite a while.)
My "friends" telling me it was ok to just take one more.
Sitting on my butt thinking about what I SHOULD do about getting clean but just thinking, not acting
Thinking I could take pills "as prescribed".
Anybody else get any "good advice"?
12 Stepper,
Five years ago when my addiction was really starting to take off, my GP said to me, while writing a scrip for percocet, "We don't worry about people developing addictions after they turn 40. It usually shows up by now." Mind you, this woman knew about my other addictive behavior (eating disorder). I was thrilled and said, "Well, then can you make that a scrip for 100?" AND SHE DID.
Cheers,
Gina
Five years ago when my addiction was really starting to take off, my GP said to me, while writing a scrip for percocet, "We don't worry about people developing addictions after they turn 40. It usually shows up by now." Mind you, this woman knew about my other addictive behavior (eating disorder). I was thrilled and said, "Well, then can you make that a scrip for 100?" AND SHE DID.
Cheers,
Gina
A nurse told my best friend "there is nothing addictive in Vicoden."
My dr told me not to try and quit; "It is almost christmas, and you will be too emotional. Just stay on the 6 a day your on (I had just eaten 180 in 10 days and was back for more...he obviously failed math..lol) and if you quit, you will be right back to chronic pain." Then he gave me 240.
My dr told me not to try and quit; "It is almost christmas, and you will be too emotional. Just stay on the 6 a day your on (I had just eaten 180 in 10 days and was back for more...he obviously failed math..lol) and if you quit, you will be right back to chronic pain." Then he gave me 240.
12 stepper my oxy doctor told me I would always need these pills due to my multiple arthritis.
When I quit he told me I would be back. F-HIM--killed my friend.
He will get his sooner or later.
I use his words as motivation. Have not seen him in aprox 18 months
Jeff--
-How is your electric? Got cable yet?
When I quit he told me I would be back. F-HIM--killed my friend.
He will get his sooner or later.
I use his words as motivation. Have not seen him in aprox 18 months
Jeff--
-How is your electric? Got cable yet?
I have never ever met a physician who would say that there's nothing addictive in vicodin, or one who would prescribe anything NEAR 100 or anything. I found back in the day that most docs were scared to prescribe. Even legitimately.
What DIDN'T help me? Someone telling me it's ok to drink or use other mind altering substances like pot or xanax. Cross addiction FOR ME, is a dangerous thing.
What didn't help me was:
Thinking I was different. That I wasn't as bad as other people. I couldn't and didn't help me at all. I needed other people's help and support. I needed God to help me. I needed to stop self medicating and stop trying to help myself. Thinking I wasn't an alcoholic only a drug addict didn't help me.
Rachel
Besides what everyone else said, what also didn't help me was
lack of education about addiction
an exaggerated fear of wd
being married to an addict in active addiction as well
drs who believed every word that came out of my mouth without being educated about addiction or caring enough about me to consider the fact I was being prescribed three addictive substances.
doing nothing and expecting something to change.
having a history of addiction in my family.
the people around me
Love, Kat
lack of education about addiction
an exaggerated fear of wd
being married to an addict in active addiction as well
drs who believed every word that came out of my mouth without being educated about addiction or caring enough about me to consider the fact I was being prescribed three addictive substances.
doing nothing and expecting something to change.
having a history of addiction in my family.
the people around me
Love, Kat
Another thing that screwed me up was my ex telling me when I relapsed, "it's ok. You were going thru a rough time. You can quit again tomorrow." Tomorrow didn't seem to get there for a few months till I hit another bottom. All I needed was ONE person to tell me it was ok and I hung onto it. Maybe that's why I'm a firm believer in tough love. Nicey nice got me nothing but an excuse to keep using.
Theres just so many things that "dont help" the situation.And lack of knowledge is a big one for me.I knew nothing about addiciton a year ago,still dont know too much.My husband knows even less.This second time i said "thats it,im done,i will not take another pill" he said"Good,you'll be all better by christmas"
Yes,the Wd's will be gone(which is how he looks at it,because thats what concerns HIM,how much bull**** HE has to put up with til im BETTER)...now i have to live life day to day.Sometimes thats an over powering thing to have to do.The lack of knowledge/understanding is something ive got to work on... for MYSELF.~KIM
Yes,the Wd's will be gone(which is how he looks at it,because thats what concerns HIM,how much bull**** HE has to put up with til im BETTER)...now i have to live life day to day.Sometimes thats an over powering thing to have to do.The lack of knowledge/understanding is something ive got to work on... for MYSELF.~KIM
How about people, when finding out that you have some clean time, thinking that you don't have to worry about your addiction any more? That's how my parents feel...
what didnt help me is people saying that cause i dont do the n/a a/a way i wasnt clean and or was going to relapse/lying a dry drunk, unhappy, was gonna fail those sort of things.
terrianne
terrianne
Terrianne
You probably can't see it but there is so much anger in your posts lately. Everyone knows you don't like NA/AA and are doing it your way. Why do you have to keep beating a dead horse? Are you still going to therapy about your anger? I think I saw another post where someone else pointed it out too. So many of your posts are putting down 12 steppers. We are happy with how we chose to stay clean. Why can't you just let it go? You dis NA/AA every chance you get. No one is putting down YOUR way so why pick on ours? I'm not saying this in anger, just concern.
You probably can't see it but there is so much anger in your posts lately. Everyone knows you don't like NA/AA and are doing it your way. Why do you have to keep beating a dead horse? Are you still going to therapy about your anger? I think I saw another post where someone else pointed it out too. So many of your posts are putting down 12 steppers. We are happy with how we chose to stay clean. Why can't you just let it go? You dis NA/AA every chance you get. No one is putting down YOUR way so why pick on ours? I'm not saying this in anger, just concern.
12 stepper,
thanks for your observation, i find it interesting only my negative posts get pointed out, i make several posative ones on a daily basis. i know others who sound angrier then i on everyn post
terrianne
thanks for your observation, i find it interesting only my negative posts get pointed out, i make several posative ones on a daily basis. i know others who sound angrier then i on everyn post
terrianne
He wasn't asking about others Terri, he was asking about you. We need to take responsiblity for our own s*** and not play the blame game. It isn't about who did what to whom, it's about what can I do to correct MY issues and problems.
Others notice your anger. Others worry about you and your recovery. This is a recovery board and a PUBLIC forum. There's going to be questions, advice, opinions and things we don't want to hear, but possibly need too. I read some things today that were pretty painful, but I need to hear them and give it some thought. I don't agree with most of it but some of it had valid points. It's up to me to do with it what I will, not anyone else.
Being in defense mode is a real good indicator that we're angry or that there's a bigger problem that we either don't want to deal with or can't see.
That's what I've learned anyway.
There is no right way to recover. There's lots of wrong ways and hopefully this board can help people from making the same mistakes twice.
Peace Terrianne....
Cowgirl
Others notice your anger. Others worry about you and your recovery. This is a recovery board and a PUBLIC forum. There's going to be questions, advice, opinions and things we don't want to hear, but possibly need too. I read some things today that were pretty painful, but I need to hear them and give it some thought. I don't agree with most of it but some of it had valid points. It's up to me to do with it what I will, not anyone else.
Being in defense mode is a real good indicator that we're angry or that there's a bigger problem that we either don't want to deal with or can't see.
That's what I've learned anyway.
There is no right way to recover. There's lots of wrong ways and hopefully this board can help people from making the same mistakes twice.
Peace Terrianne....
Cowgirl
cowgirl,
i call a truse, i have read several post this evening telling me otherwise so there for i will go with the consenses and just call it a truse.
terrianne
i call a truse, i have read several post this evening telling me otherwise so there for i will go with the consenses and just call it a truse.
terrianne
It's not about what others say, Terri, it's what's in your heart. Don't go with the conscenses, go with how you feel. That's all that matters.
I called a truce with you days ago and don't understand why it keeps going. I think maybe everything I say to you is taken wrong because you are so defensive right now. I didn't say anything to you on your other thread...that was said to someone else, so please know that it wasn't you I was correcting or talking about. I had an opinion about something I read and expressed my concerns. But again, it wasn't directed at you.
Cowgirl
I called a truce with you days ago and don't understand why it keeps going. I think maybe everything I say to you is taken wrong because you are so defensive right now. I didn't say anything to you on your other thread...that was said to someone else, so please know that it wasn't you I was correcting or talking about. I had an opinion about something I read and expressed my concerns. But again, it wasn't directed at you.
Cowgirl
To: Cowgirl:
Catching up on the board tonight, this will be the last I read or post tonight b/c I am going to make this angry post and then go and watch s'thing funny on TV.
Hey Cowgirl, anyone ever pointed out your anger?????
Catching up after computer was down,. boy, do the other posters notice your angry post and no positive ones from you. Why don't you go back and read?
Okay, you baited me like you do when you get it in for someone, it has been Terri long enough, now let's play elementary school and go take this to the playground like the age we (you and I) are acting.
Oh, and worry? I have told you CG over and over how I worry about you and it is b/c of your anger. I am really concerned about you, even though you come back to me with anger, I go back to you with concern. You are only jumping Terri b/c she posted when you were jumping me. Give her a break, just let it be my turn again,
You don't intimidate me and I know you don't Terri, but I think it should be my turn again to be bullied by you. Cowgirl, if you will answer one question, why have you changed and you have to try to be as mean as you are being. You told me in emails that you would make me angry enough to do this to get me banned for good - you win - I can't take Terri getting what you intend for me.
I am banned for this one angry post when that's all anyone gets from you, then something is wrong. .
Good night.
Will read all about it tomorow.
PS I'm angry with mean people, I'm just funny that way, this was a thread that was going so well 'til stepper, analyzed Terri - you couldn't wait to jump.
Mean Jean (just for this one post)
I am sorry to the rest of the board, I know this is wrong as I am writing, stooping to her level, forgetting this is a recovery board.
If enough of you think this is that bad, I will leave for good. I just can't stand to see someone picked apart - this was over - why can't it go away?
Catching up on the board tonight, this will be the last I read or post tonight b/c I am going to make this angry post and then go and watch s'thing funny on TV.
Hey Cowgirl, anyone ever pointed out your anger?????
Catching up after computer was down,. boy, do the other posters notice your angry post and no positive ones from you. Why don't you go back and read?
Okay, you baited me like you do when you get it in for someone, it has been Terri long enough, now let's play elementary school and go take this to the playground like the age we (you and I) are acting.
Oh, and worry? I have told you CG over and over how I worry about you and it is b/c of your anger. I am really concerned about you, even though you come back to me with anger, I go back to you with concern. You are only jumping Terri b/c she posted when you were jumping me. Give her a break, just let it be my turn again,
You don't intimidate me and I know you don't Terri, but I think it should be my turn again to be bullied by you. Cowgirl, if you will answer one question, why have you changed and you have to try to be as mean as you are being. You told me in emails that you would make me angry enough to do this to get me banned for good - you win - I can't take Terri getting what you intend for me.
I am banned for this one angry post when that's all anyone gets from you, then something is wrong. .
Good night.
Will read all about it tomorow.
PS I'm angry with mean people, I'm just funny that way, this was a thread that was going so well 'til stepper, analyzed Terri - you couldn't wait to jump.
Mean Jean (just for this one post)
I am sorry to the rest of the board, I know this is wrong as I am writing, stooping to her level, forgetting this is a recovery board.
If enough of you think this is that bad, I will leave for good. I just can't stand to see someone picked apart - this was over - why can't it go away?
Its really true how people you think are positive role models can influence your thoughts and feelings, when I was a kid I remember seeing my dad shoplift a small item and for years I gave myself permission to shoplift because if my dad could then so could I ..It took years to get over that......
Terrianne, I really dont know you but I dont think you should let other peoples opinions fill you with resentment, It can eat up your soul if you let it!!! I say when people start paying your bills and worring about you when your sick then you can let them tell you what to do (maybe).......this is a support board and people who have success will alway try and get you to do what works for them. It is meant to help you but what is good for one may not be as good for another...take what you want and leave the rest...My husband always says that when you are annoyed or alittle envious of someone , just smile and say thanks for your advice, or your ring is beautiful...whether you really feel it or not atleast you dont have to carry negative feelings of resentment around in your heart..
All the Best xox........Shel
Terrianne, I really dont know you but I dont think you should let other peoples opinions fill you with resentment, It can eat up your soul if you let it!!! I say when people start paying your bills and worring about you when your sick then you can let them tell you what to do (maybe).......this is a support board and people who have success will alway try and get you to do what works for them. It is meant to help you but what is good for one may not be as good for another...take what you want and leave the rest...My husband always says that when you are annoyed or alittle envious of someone , just smile and say thanks for your advice, or your ring is beautiful...whether you really feel it or not atleast you dont have to carry negative feelings of resentment around in your heart..
All the Best xox........Shel
Jean, I would just like to point out to you that when you got so "concerned" with me it cost you some time out...
Lisa is not taking out her feelings for you on Terrianne, stop making it all about YOU!
a little advice....stop worrying about everyone else and concentrate on your own recovery
Lisa is not taking out her feelings for you on Terrianne, stop making it all about YOU!
a little advice....stop worrying about everyone else and concentrate on your own recovery
