diff (or anyone else ) im just wondering if you can rattle of subbies my b/f lost his subutex last week and he said he was rattling for them is this true ? because yesterday i found about 30 needles along with 4 pcks of citric acid in a bag in his shed he said they were from ages ago but i dont believe him i asked him why he had been so moody this past week but he says cause he lost his subbies he was rattling an so now he is getting a 2 ml subbie and breaking it in half( he is ment to be on 12ml ) an just taking half of the 2ml he says to cut himself down incase he ever looses them again, this does not make sense to me atall can you still take heroin with subutex ? also i forgot to mention yesterday morning his pupils were very large you could only see a thin layer of blue around them , but this morning they were fine he said he dont know why they were big . things are looking rather fishy to me do you think he is trying to pull a fast one on me ?
ps im so angry i know i should look after me an my children an let him get on with it but i need answers as to why he makes me waite around for him only to break my heart over an over he is ment to love me and make me an his kids his first priority an i have asked him this but he just cryed and screamed in my face saying" i have not touched any other drug but subutex this time i swear " but as you all now addicts are very good liars that they even start to believe there own lies please help as i dont want to be accusing him if he is telling the truth which he says i am thanks emma xx
Hi Emz, gotta be quick. Yes you can rattle off subbies, just the same as heroin. They are a replacement for heroin, and you get exactly the same symptoms as withdrawing from heroin. and large pupils are a sign of being in withdrawals. Heroin and subs don't mix. But at a low dose of subs, they are not a complete blocker, but you still can't take heroin and top up with subs, or vice versa.
hope that helps
diff xx
hope that helps
diff xx
thanks diff .Things are going from bad to worse a friend rang me about an hour ago to tell me that someone told her that my b/f was back on the drugs i had it out with him he oviously denied it and asked why i believed everyone else but him so i said why would ppl start saying stuff out the blue and especially after this weekend its too hard not to believe it he has left now he said he was not coming back and he will ring to see how the kids are .I know this is being selfish but i still dont know the truth wether he is back on the smack or if he is telling the truth i need closure if he as recently started back then surely i would off noticed the symtoms wouldnt i ? im so confused i dont know what to do for the best
emma xx
emma xx
Emz, closure comes from within. It's what you decide to do with your life, not about agonizing over someone elses actions. You'll never find peace unless you embrace that. From one who knows...
Think on that. Happiness comes from within yourself. You can't get it from someone else. You have to either accept the addiction and live with it, or accept that you can't, and move on. Have the courage to change what you can, and have grace to let go of what you can't. And be wise, emz, be wise enough to know that trying to change him is a fools errand, and you'll die trying.
Take care
love
Diff xxx
Think on that. Happiness comes from within yourself. You can't get it from someone else. You have to either accept the addiction and live with it, or accept that you can't, and move on. Have the courage to change what you can, and have grace to let go of what you can't. And be wise, emz, be wise enough to know that trying to change him is a fools errand, and you'll die trying.
Take care
love
Diff xxx
Emz hun, As far as I knew the rattke wasnt as intense as it is from Heroin but subbies or a substitute so without you rattle. Not half as bad but make you a little edge. Kevin used to still use on the subbies and if he only had a small amount the heroin still worked??? Also he used to swallow them instead of disolving them under his tongue then he coul still get a hit.
Me personally.....I wouldnt of thought that he would keep needles there after he has kicked the habbit???? Everytime Kevin tried to stop he would get rid of anything and everything that was there. If ya know theres needles there you will be too tempted!!
Hope he aint using again hun. Give him a chance to tell you if he is, but dont let it worry you too much incase you are wrong and its nothing.
Take care...thinking of you xx
Me personally.....I wouldnt of thought that he would keep needles there after he has kicked the habbit???? Everytime Kevin tried to stop he would get rid of anything and everything that was there. If ya know theres needles there you will be too tempted!!
Hope he aint using again hun. Give him a chance to tell you if he is, but dont let it worry you too much incase you are wrong and its nothing.
Take care...thinking of you xx
The rattle from subs isn't as intense as the rattle from heroin, at least if you reduce down. but it was still horrible. I stopped taking them when I'd dropped my dose from 16mgs to 0.4mgs, which is as low as you can feasibly go - and then I considered snapping those tiny little 0.4 pills in half. And it took me 9 months to reduce down that low. If I'd jumped off at a higher dose, I'm sure that my rattle would have been every bit as bad as a pure heroin turkey. If you swallow subs they have no effect at all - you may as well not take them. And as for the works, I kept needles for months after I kicked it. A kind of psychological comfort blanket, plus having them around desensitized me to them. If I'd unexpectedly seen a needle, it would have brought on major cravings, but seeing them every day was just like seeing a pair of old socks. I'm not saying my approach is for everyone. I had rock solid motivation. With triggers, if you can't avoid them, you have to find a way of living with them. It was important to me that I learned to stay away from gear, with the temptations all around me, coz in the past that's always what tripped me up. But like I said before, that was just my approach, and it worked because I knew what I wanted, and nothing was going to stop me from changing my life for the better.
And back to the works - I don't have them any more. I don't need them. And when I threw them away, it was just like chucking a pair of old socks in the bin. I had no emotional or psychological attachment to them at all, and never missed them.
I know my approacj is different, but there is no "right" way to get clean. Everyone has to find their own way.
take care
Diff x
And back to the works - I don't have them any more. I don't need them. And when I threw them away, it was just like chucking a pair of old socks in the bin. I had no emotional or psychological attachment to them at all, and never missed them.
I know my approacj is different, but there is no "right" way to get clean. Everyone has to find their own way.
take care
Diff x
he said the needles were from a long time ago that he dont even remember bringing them back what happend was when he lost his subbies he searched our room as thats were he kept them and he felt a lump under the carpet so he lifted it up and found the needles so he panicked and hid them in his shed he said he never told me cause we had been arguing that day so he didnt want me jumping the gun he thought he could have disposed off them without me even knowing , the problem is when it comes to drugs he is a compulsive liar so im not any wiser in to knowing for sure when them pins were brought here
emma xx
emma xx
