Found this at the Meditox site...
Im still confused between buprephine, suboxone and subutex, but it appears that Meditox treats opiate dependents with all of these. They claim to cutting the withdrawal process from 3 days to several hours....
There is some pretty interesting info there..including below.
Scientists have been seeking a remedy for opiate addiction for generations. Believe it or not, morphine was used to treat opium addiction, heroin was created to treat morphine addiction, and methadone was developed to treat heroin addiction. While each of these steps created a less intense drug, they required carefully measured dosages for an indeterminate amount of time.
Finally, with buprenorphine, science has found what it started looking for in 1803. Buprenorphine will stimulate the receptors in the brain in a similar way to conventional opiates. The brain will then tell the body that it is satisfied and that it doesn't need to go into withdrawal. As a result of this stimulation, the patient's cravings are also eliminated. The drug also does not cling to the receptors as tenaciously as a real opiate, so as you are weaned off the medication, you will not feel withdrawal symptoms or cravings. You'll have energy and will remain fully functional.
With buprenorphine, the body experiences the plateau effect. No high is created and you cannot abuse this drug. Buprenorphine has proven effective in helping to fight drug cravings, and its use allows patients to detoxify without being in a highly-supervised environment; this is why it is now the cornerstone in our "revolutionary new treatment plan"
Ambien
Ambien addiction is a very serious and sometimes life threatening dilemma. Not only is it difficult for the addict, it is extremely hard on those around them who care about them.
Ativan
Ativan is the brand name for Lorazepam, an anti-anxiety agent. Ativan is a benzodiazepine and mild tranquilizer, sedative, and central nervous system (CNS) depressant.
Buprenorphine
A derivative of the opioid alkaloid thebaine that is a more potent and longer lasting analgesic than morphine. It appears to act as a partial agonist at mu and kappa opioid receptors and as an antagonist at delta receptors. The lack of delta-agonist activity has been suggested to account for the observation that buprenorphine tolerance may not develop with chronic use.
This analgesic binds to one of the subclasses of opioid receptors called mu receptors. At very high doses it blocks the effects of heroin but may increase craving for cocaine. Low doses may be an effective treatment for both heroin and cocaine craving. It is also being tested in combination with naltrexone for heroin addiction. Source: European Union.
Read more on Buprenorphine Detox.
Codeine
Codeine is a member of the drug class opiates. Opiates include all naturally occurring drugs with morphine-like effects such as codeine and all semi and fully synthetic drugs with morphine-like effects such as heroin and meperidine (Demerol).
Read more on Opiate Detox.
Darvocet
Given darvocet's similarities to methadone, it's not surprising that the drug is as addictive as it is. In fact, the medical journal Clinical Pharmacology even argued that darvocet's "most prominent effect...may be its addictive quality."
Demerol
Demerol is a narcotic analgesic (opiate pain medication) prescribed for short-term treatment of moderate to severe pain.
Dilaudid
Dilaudid preparations are similar to those containing morphine, but are stronger and have fewer side effects.
Heroin
Heroin is an illegal, highly addictive drug. It is both the most abused and the most rapidly acting of the opiates. It is typically sold as a white or brownish powder or as the black sticky substance known on the streets as "black tar heroin."
Although purer heroin is becoming more common, most street heroin is "cut" with other drugs or with substances such as sugar, starch, powdered milk, orquinine. Street heroin can also be cut with strychnine or other poisons. Because heroin abusers do not know the actual strength of the drug or its true contents, they are at risk of overdose or death. Heroin also poses special problems because of the transmission of HIV and other diseases that can occur from sharing needles or other injection equipment.
Heroin is processed from morphine, a naturally occurring substance extracted from the seed pod of the Asian poppy plant. Heroin usually appears as a white or brown powder. Street names associated with heroin include "smack," "H," "skag," and "junk." Other names may refer to types of heroin produced in a specific geographical area, such as "Mexican black tar."
Hydrocodone
Hydrocodone is an effective antitussive (anti-cough) agent, and as an opiate it is also an effective analgesic for mild to moderate pain control.
Read more on Hydrocodone Detox.
Lortab
Lortab combines a narcotic analgesic (painkiller) and cough reliever with a non-narcotic analgesic for the relief of moderate to moderately severe pain.
Read more on Lortab Detox.
Methadone
Methadone is a (synthetic opiate) narcotic that when administered once a day, orally, in adequate doses, can usually suppress a heroin addict's craving and withdrawal for 24 hours.
Read more on Methadone Detox.
Morphine
Morphine, a narcotic, acts directly on the central nervous system. Besides relieving pain, it impairs mental and physical performance, relieves fear and anxiety, and produces euphoria.
Opiate
A medication or illegal drug that is either derived from the opium poppy, or that mimics the effect of an opiate (a synthetic opiate). Opiate drugs are narcotic sedatives that depress activity of the central nervous system, reduce pain, and induce sleep. Side effects may include over sedation, nausea, and constipation. Long term use of opiates can produce addiction, and overuse can cause overdose and potentially death.
Read more on Opiate Detox.
Oxycontin
OxyContin contains oxycodone, a very strong narcotic pain reliever similar to morphine. OxyContin is designed so that the oxycodone is slowly released over time, allowing it to be used twice daily. You should never break, chew, or crush the OxyContin tablet since this causes a large amount of oxycodone to be released from the tablet all at once, potentially resulting in a dangerous or fatal drug overdose.
Read more on Oxycontin Detox.
Percocet
Percocet's active ingredients are oxycodone, a narcotic (opiate) pain medication (analgesic), and acetaminophen (a non-narcotic pain medication), which relieves pain better than either medication taken alone. Oxycodone acts on the central nervous system and smooth muscle tissue, slowing the central nervous system. It is not clear exactly how acetaminophen works to ease pain.
Read more on Percocet Detox.
Percodan
Percodan is a narcotic drug. When a narcotic is injected, the user feels a surge of pleasure, then a state of gratification into which hunger, pain, and sexual urges do not intrude.
Read more on Percodan Detox.
Subutex and Suboxone
Subutex and Suboxone are medications approved for the treatment of opiate dependence. Both medicines contain the active ingredient, buprenorphine hydrochloride, which works to reduce the symptoms of opiate dependence.
Subutex contains only buprenorphine hydrochloride. This formulation was developed as the initial product. The second medication, Suboxone contains an additional ingredient called naloxone to guard against misuse.
Subutex is given during the first few days of treatment, while Suboxone is used during the maintenance phase of treatment.
Read more on Suboxone Detox.
Valium
Valium is a medication for the treatment of anxiety and alcohol withdrawal. First entering the U.S. market in 1963, Valium became controversial as a widely prescribed tranquilizer and widespread abuse.
Vicodin
Vicodin is a semisynthetic narcotic analgesic and antitussive with multiple actions qualitatively similar to those of codeine. Most of these involve the central nervous system and smooth muscle. The precise mechanism of action of hydrocodone and other opiates is not known, although it is believed to relate to the existence of opiate receptors in the central nervous system. In addition to analgesia, narcotics may produce drowsiness, changes in mood, and mental clouding.
Ali,
At the risk of causing trouble, I just have to say that, although I appreciate your efforts to provide information to everyone on the board, it seems that some of the information you find can be misleading, confusing, or not entirely accurate. I am not trying to discourage providing resources and information to the board, because education is such an integral part of this process. I do really think though, that it's important that what gets posted, especially the medical or pharmacological information, is from professional, government or non-profit resources that are well established as a valid and legitimate source of educational material.
I really do think it's awesome that you want to help out so much and work so hard to find information that clarifies things...
It's just that there is so much bad information out there, you know?
Best,
Bridget
At the risk of causing trouble, I just have to say that, although I appreciate your efforts to provide information to everyone on the board, it seems that some of the information you find can be misleading, confusing, or not entirely accurate. I am not trying to discourage providing resources and information to the board, because education is such an integral part of this process. I do really think though, that it's important that what gets posted, especially the medical or pharmacological information, is from professional, government or non-profit resources that are well established as a valid and legitimate source of educational material.
I really do think it's awesome that you want to help out so much and work so hard to find information that clarifies things...
It's just that there is so much bad information out there, you know?
Best,
Bridget
Bridget
When i post information that i say is "Interesting" to me..thats just what it is.
No where on this post am I recommending anything or avering to the accuracy
of the content.
If you have a problem with anything posted as being poor or bad information then maybe you should go to meditox and let them know??
Im sorry but i really dont understand what you are complaining about- you dont even state WHAT it is you think is not accurate information....
Ali
When i post information that i say is "Interesting" to me..thats just what it is.
No where on this post am I recommending anything or avering to the accuracy
of the content.
If you have a problem with anything posted as being poor or bad information then maybe you should go to meditox and let them know??
Im sorry but i really dont understand what you are complaining about- you dont even state WHAT it is you think is not accurate information....
Ali
Ali,
I'm not entirely sure how to respond because you're already on the defensive, and I am not looking to start trouble.
But, even if you are putting it here saying that it's "interesting to you" you are still putting it out here for everyone to read, and there is a level of trust that people build on this board with each other so that your saying that it's "intereseting" also may be interpreted as "good informtion for you to think about". And I care less about what Meditox publishes on their site than about what gets posted here.
If you really want me to list some examples of ambiguity or partial information bits, I will, but I was just trying to point out that we - YOU too, in doing this research for yourself - need to be careful. And I think when you bring it to the board, you might want to be pretty sure about where it's coming from and stuff.
I'm not picking on you.... I just want us to be careful.
-- Bridget
I'm not entirely sure how to respond because you're already on the defensive, and I am not looking to start trouble.
But, even if you are putting it here saying that it's "interesting to you" you are still putting it out here for everyone to read, and there is a level of trust that people build on this board with each other so that your saying that it's "intereseting" also may be interpreted as "good informtion for you to think about". And I care less about what Meditox publishes on their site than about what gets posted here.
If you really want me to list some examples of ambiguity or partial information bits, I will, but I was just trying to point out that we - YOU too, in doing this research for yourself - need to be careful. And I think when you bring it to the board, you might want to be pretty sure about where it's coming from and stuff.
I'm not picking on you.... I just want us to be careful.
-- Bridget
I think that most of us are aware of the properties of these addictive drugs!
Why did you post that Ali? I don't get it.
Some might find it.....well...triggering!! Is that a word! Anyway....to see all those painkillers listed here....makes me sick.
Just my opinion.
Why did you post that Ali? I don't get it.
Some might find it.....well...triggering!! Is that a word! Anyway....to see all those painkillers listed here....makes me sick.
Just my opinion.
Perhaps this very message board is a trigger, if this list under Main Categories isn't a trigger, then neither is alis post. Posters post about drugs all the time so fingering ali just because she isn't liked is absurd. Make sure you b**** to the mods too for listing the below. Also if you took the time to read other than the message boards, there are all kinds of resources or 'triggers' on this site. Not foregoing posters who are on pain management that post about drugs.
I would like to know what is inaccurate about the post.
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I would like to know what is inaccurate about the post.
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"The drug also does not cling to the receptors as tenaciously as a real opiate, so as you are weaned off the medication, you will not feel withdrawal symptoms or cravings. You'll have energy and will remain fully functional."
No offense to you, Ali, but this is contradictory to all of my education, research and personal experience.
This drug has a high affinity toward opioid receptors. It clings to them so tightly that if other opiates are used, they "bounce" off and are unable to attach. This is the reason why narcotic painkillers are ineffective to patients on sub.
I weaned down to 1mg before stopping. I did have withdrawal symptoms and intense cravings that lasted for a very long time. My energy level was so low that it took 2 hours to just feed my dogs and cats. To say I was even partially functional is an exaggeration. But that's just me, and there are other complication factors in my equation.
Meditox posting this is a marketing ploy. These claims are outrageous. Is it just me, or do they seem to be "hinting" that an addict will be treated with one or more of the drugs on this list?
To say a patient won't have WD, and will have energy and be fully functional, is somewhat subjective. But to say sub "does not cling to the receptors as tenaciously as a real opiate" is blatantly false, and they know it.
If sub is not a "real opiate" what type of opiate is it? A false opiate? An imagined opiate? A phony opiate? A pretend opiate? WTF?
I don't see anything wrong with posting the information. This board is loaded with opinions, re-postings from other sites, and plenty of other false information. God help the person whose recovery is guided solely by this board, or the internet in general. It bothers me to know that Meditox has this on their site, since they are always at the top of the page when a person googles addiction.
No offense to you, Ali, but this is contradictory to all of my education, research and personal experience.
This drug has a high affinity toward opioid receptors. It clings to them so tightly that if other opiates are used, they "bounce" off and are unable to attach. This is the reason why narcotic painkillers are ineffective to patients on sub.
I weaned down to 1mg before stopping. I did have withdrawal symptoms and intense cravings that lasted for a very long time. My energy level was so low that it took 2 hours to just feed my dogs and cats. To say I was even partially functional is an exaggeration. But that's just me, and there are other complication factors in my equation.
Meditox posting this is a marketing ploy. These claims are outrageous. Is it just me, or do they seem to be "hinting" that an addict will be treated with one or more of the drugs on this list?
To say a patient won't have WD, and will have energy and be fully functional, is somewhat subjective. But to say sub "does not cling to the receptors as tenaciously as a real opiate" is blatantly false, and they know it.
If sub is not a "real opiate" what type of opiate is it? A false opiate? An imagined opiate? A phony opiate? A pretend opiate? WTF?
I don't see anything wrong with posting the information. This board is loaded with opinions, re-postings from other sites, and plenty of other false information. God help the person whose recovery is guided solely by this board, or the internet in general. It bothers me to know that Meditox has this on their site, since they are always at the top of the page when a person googles addiction.
posted by ali who acquired this from the Meditox site.
Whoa this Meditox site is something else. What a bunch of...highly inaccurate information at best. 1) Uh...opium is, depending upon the preparation, 10-15% by weight morphine (morphine and codeine are the two most active alkaloids in the opium poppy.) 2) Heroin less potent than morphine? In what universe? Ditto for methadone......
Oh, and thanks to atlas for the explanation of buprenorphine. In disclosure, I actually have to use this drug in our animal work for pain control. Its a "real" opiate, trust me.
There is another site I belong to and they heavily discourage giving medical advice on it. I know I made just such an error on this site. I really, really encourage people now to see a physician if they are detoxing, an addiction physician if possible. The way I look at it, many folks were quite willing to go to any lengths to acquire pills, perhaps they may want to exercise such diligence in their health care....
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Believe it or not, morphine was used to treat opium addiction, heroin was created to treat morphine addiction, and methadone was developed to treat heroin addiction. While each of these steps created a less intense drug, they required carefully measured dosages for an indeterminate amount of time. |
Whoa this Meditox site is something else. What a bunch of...highly inaccurate information at best. 1) Uh...opium is, depending upon the preparation, 10-15% by weight morphine (morphine and codeine are the two most active alkaloids in the opium poppy.) 2) Heroin less potent than morphine? In what universe? Ditto for methadone......
Oh, and thanks to atlas for the explanation of buprenorphine. In disclosure, I actually have to use this drug in our animal work for pain control. Its a "real" opiate, trust me.
There is another site I belong to and they heavily discourage giving medical advice on it. I know I made just such an error on this site. I really, really encourage people now to see a physician if they are detoxing, an addiction physician if possible. The way I look at it, many folks were quite willing to go to any lengths to acquire pills, perhaps they may want to exercise such diligence in their health care....
Atlas
i found the 3 hour claim to be pretty unbelieveable too...thats why i said they "claim"...lol..it is hard to believe...Im sure differences vary but they sure make it seem too good to be true...wonder if the future will see another pill to get off of sub...
Do you remember though there was one girl that apparently weaned off and used sub for only 4-5 days...she used to post here a lot..cant remember her name...
Brooke..
Thankyou for pointing that out...you really should be a detective on the side..you can find back posts faster then anyone ive ever met..lol
Love and a hug,
Ali
P.S. What do you mean Im not well liked? sniff...
i found the 3 hour claim to be pretty unbelieveable too...thats why i said they "claim"...lol..it is hard to believe...Im sure differences vary but they sure make it seem too good to be true...wonder if the future will see another pill to get off of sub...
Do you remember though there was one girl that apparently weaned off and used sub for only 4-5 days...she used to post here a lot..cant remember her name...
Brooke..
Thankyou for pointing that out...you really should be a detective on the side..you can find back posts faster then anyone ive ever met..lol
Love and a hug,
Ali
P.S. What do you mean Im not well liked? sniff...
WTF?
I'd like to add a big fat WTF as well...
who in the hell here that is an opiate addict does not know every bit of that information AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY MORE! It's misleading, and i'm pretty sure the majority of us can name any opiate and give it's active ingrediants, inactive ingrediants, and probably even fillers....
it really is a hit and miss with these threads.
who in the hell here that is an opiate addict does not know every bit of that information AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY MORE! It's misleading, and i'm pretty sure the majority of us can name any opiate and give it's active ingrediants, inactive ingrediants, and probably even fillers....
it really is a hit and miss with these threads.
A big OY VEY
STACY FEEL BETTER-- THIS TRUMPS ALL ASSANINE POSTS IMO AS THE CAT FIGHTS ARE ALL HARMLESS. THIS POST? WELL WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS .I GUESS I AM HAVING A BLONDE MOMENT BUT LMAO
OY VEY WTF?????
GOOD NIGHT DEAR STACY..I AM GOING TO CRASH=
SLEEP WELL-JEFF
STACY FEEL BETTER-- THIS TRUMPS ALL ASSANINE POSTS IMO AS THE CAT FIGHTS ARE ALL HARMLESS. THIS POST? WELL WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS .I GUESS I AM HAVING A BLONDE MOMENT BUT LMAO
OY VEY WTF?????
GOOD NIGHT DEAR STACY..I AM GOING TO CRASH=
SLEEP WELL-JEFF
