Emotional Evening!

Hi everyone. Just wanted to quickly vent....it seems to always make me feel better. My hubby and I went out with some really good friends tonight for dinner which was alot of fun. They have been friends with my hubby for 20+ years and I have been for the 9 years that we have been together. Anywhoooo...we went out for Italian...good by the way...and of course wine. I didn't have any but needless to say the rest of the table was feeling no pain. Well somehow my not drinking came up in the conversation and one of them said to me, "we'll it's good that you don't drink because you used to be handful....Now I know I was a big pain in the a** but for some reason it really rubbed me wrong and I almost cried at the table. I kind of snapped at them and said, "I don't know how I have managed to stop drinking!! I just know that I am not for right now, but the wheels could fall off at anytime you guys!" Then our friend said well you better put those wheels back on!! Granted by this time they were half lit, but I got really hurt. I said I would like to see any of you try and not drink for one month and still do the exact same things only minus the alcohol. For example tonight. Great Italian food and no wine! They just didn't f***ing get it! I told them that it is still as hard for me now as it was the day I quit. Blah blah blah...I'm just rambling. Long story short I dropped it because I didn't want to cry in front of them but on the way home I was driving on the freeway, hubby was falling asleep and I was crying! I even thought about some of the posts that I have read here that help. I know I can't expect people to have half a clue about what I am going through...so I have to just expect that they don't and not be mad at them when they don't get it. I guess what this whole rant boils down to is me feeling like this, "F you people!!! What if I do relapse!!!!! Are you not gonna be friends with me anymore you f***ing alcoholics in denial????? I don't want to hear how bad I was when I was drunk! I know I lived it!!!!! Well I am getting upset again. I don't want to hear drunk people tell me they hope I never drink again! Maybe I just have PMS.....I'm a little sensitive I guess! Oh well....I do feel a little better! Thanks for letting me rant and rave...... P.S. 7/6/06 IS 10 MONTHS SOBER FOR ME!!!! YIPPPPPPEEEEE

Peace and Sobriety
Valarie
P.s. I know many will advise new friends don't go around alcohol etc...etc...I know the jig. That is not an option. I won't drop my friends. I will just speak to them when everyone is of clear minds and let them know how hard it is for me to listen to drunk people tell me how I was and how they don't ever want me to be again! Sorry for the rambling.. ! l
Hey Valarie,
Sorry to hear you had bad nite girl!
You dont deserve those comments when you are doing soooooooo well!!!
I know where you are coming from, I have been in simalar situations, where my older friends cant help but comment on my drinking water when Im out with them,I have heard it all
"Ginge you going to rust, all that water your drinking"
"Ginge have beer man, its made from water!"
"Ginge whats wrong with you, you dont have a problem ,just slow down a bit"
"Ginge I cant understand the point of coming here if your going to drink water"
And so on.....Val I just let it go now if its from good mates, but when ppl who i only knew as associates start commenting I get a bit pissed off ,
But my younger mates ,who I used to drink with are good about it, Val if I was out with them and bought a beer for me, they would probably punch me in the head and take it off me!! They understand very well,
Zac told me once that the ones that make a issue of it are only worried that there is no one there drinking more than them now, and they look bad,something like that hey Zac!
Cograts on 10 mths Valarie, you,re doing so good!
You are a insperation to us all here!!!Go girl:)
Hope you have a better day tomorrow,
Thinking of you all the way down here in Oz.....
Take Care
Ginge
Ginge,
Thanks so much for the kind words. You know, the people we were with are very close friends. They just think, (I believe they think it ) since it's been so long that I am over it. This was harder than getting of drugs by a long shot. I think I am just overreacting but my point is valid. I think they miss having me be a mess. I am sure that is not really true....but I know i was alot of fun when I was drunk....though there always was that level I hit when I should have quit 10 drinks ago...you know the routine! I have already let it go...because you can't
argue with a drunk. That Murphy's law comes to mind. The one that says, "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!" Did that make sense? I was totally giving a damn what a bunch of drunk people told me about not drinking! HUMMMM...I feel much better now Ginge....thanks for letting me vent.
P.s. What does Ginge mean? Is that something Auzzie?

Your friend, Valarie
Hi Valarie,
Good to see you feeling better,
we sound a like!
When I was out on the drink, there was no stopping me at all, I had to keep going till there was no where else to go and drink,
A couple of New yrs eve,s ago I started drinking at lunchtime, kept drinking thru new yrs eve, my partner had a car accident (minor) and wanted me to go home with her cause she was a bit shook up, I was like yeah right its only 2am! so theres 14 hrs drinking, I stayed in the city drinking, got train back home, got there at 7am, got my mate out of bed, who had gone home when my partner did,
Asked whats the matter with ya man its jan 1st do you wanna a beer!
He got up and drunk with me, I finally finished up around 8 pm that nite,
How stupiud I was!! But my mates liked the fact that if they wanted to keep going I would have been right beside them all the way!
Geez Im rambling on now Val!
Ginge is my nickname from NZ has stuck with me for yrs now,(Ginger hair)
Well when I let it grow, I shave my head now days, no im not losing my hair! Just feels better, so now I have a ginger beard, as you can see in the pic I have on here,
Well Valarie, nice talking to you tonite, Im off to bed now, only 6 sleeps till I leave Oz and go to NZ!
Take care girl,
Ginge
Good Morning Valarie, It's 7:00 am here and I'm just waking up...ready to face another action packed day, so I have no specific suggestion to offer you from my own experiences. However, here is a reading from my Daily Reflections book, take what you want from it and leave the rest (lol, that's I have to do at meetings). It is Program based, however it really works for me:

Daily Monitoring

Continued to Take Personal Inventory 12 X 12 pg 88

The spiritual axiom in the 10th step - "every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us" - also tells me that there are no exceptions to it. No matter how unreasonable others may seem, I am responsible for not reacting negatively. Regardless of what is happening around me I will always have the prerogavtive, and the responsibility, of choosing what happens within me. I am the creator of my own reality. When I take my daily inventory, I know that I must stop judging others. If I judge others, I am probably judging myself. Whoever is upsetting me most is my best teacher. I have much to learn from him or her, and in my heart, I should thank that person.
VWGirl, Thank you so much for that post on the 10th step. I read it a few times and it really helped! I am gonna paste it into my personal diary and read it everytime that I get irritated. Thank you for taking the time to send it to me. I probably shouldn't have even written all of that but it seems to help when I get things off of my chest. Plus here everyone is sooo supportive and they know how it is so they can see that I am being ridiculous and call me on it. I read your thread about the event you planned and the food fiasco. You handled it like a champ. I wrote to Jayde in an earlier thread that I feel like this board is kind of like a "Good Ole' Boy"society....the oldtimers kind of run it...so to speak. I feel like 12 Stepper is like that blunt, in your face, brutally honest and sometimes hurtful shrink that we have all had at one time, you are like the cool aunt who always tries to protect the young ones, Ginge and Zac & Izzy are the fun crazy cousins.....etc. etc....there is a whole dynamic to these boards. Anyway I have rambled long enough....just wanted to thank you as always for your help!

Your Friend,
Valarie
Hey Vally
Sorry you had to go through that hurtful experience. It probably would be a good idea to say something to your friends when they are sober. Just to let them know that getting and staying sober is no walk in the park. And maybe if they then have any legitimate issues or hurts they still hold towards you from when you were drinking they could clear the air you know what I mean?

Dealing with it when they're drinking is useless all round. Best thing you can do in that situation is remind yourself that its the alcohol talking and try and let it go.

It so hard, my H says lots of hurtful things when he's drinking too I've (mostly) learned to not take him up on it and let it go.
Hi Idgie,
Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate them. I think I was PMSing or something. We were with the same people this evening and some of the same things were brought up but it never even bothered me. Of course that was probably because I popped a couple of vicodin. My hubby had an ear infection last week and he had a RX. I know that was stupid considering my addictive personality but there are only a few pills left and I have no connection to get anymore so I did what any addict would do. That little idiot on my shoulder told me that it was no big deal....so down the hatch they went. I didn't really feel much......I guess that is the whole point right? Not to feel. Oh well...a little bump but at least it wasn't booze.
How are you doing? Have you been okay? I always think about you when I read here. I was telling a few people that I feel like this board is kind of like "A Good Ole' Boy Society". The old timers seem to kinda run it even though obviously it's the moderators who actually run it. 12 Stepper totally reminds me exactly of an old shrink I had, Vw reminds of that cool aunt that everyone has that tries to shield the young ones from any trouble, Ginge, Zac and Izzy are like the wild and crazy cousins....etc. etc. I don't know why, I just see it like that. I am the new friend that comes along out of nowhere that has been accepted pretty much with open arms. A few miscommunications but none the less it's been great. I really do love this place. It has really helped me. I forget sometimes how hard it is to discern any kind of a tone when you read typed words..so I have really been trying to not read more into things and to be mindful of what I write.
You take care pal.....thanks again for the response.

Peace and Sobriety and Friendship
Valarie
Hi Valarie. I think I understand how you feel about what your friends said. My cousin was on the phone to my mum the other week and asked "How's the one with the problem with the Lemonade?" like it was a flipping joke. I got really hurt and upset by that comment. I felt like saying do you think I'm a f***ing schmuck you ingorant c***??

Anyway... I just thought I'd share that with you. You're not alone...
Valarie:

Out of love and concern, I say this. Please be careful with the Vicodins. That became my DOC the same way you are taking them. I got some from a friend for cramps the first time.

Rachel
Izzy...thanks for the response. I too took antabuse. I have to tell you they will work. If you do drink on them you will only do it once. You will be so sick that you may even have to go to the ER. Vomitting, the runs, cramps and a migraine that feels like your head will exploid. I will say that it is a great detourent (sp?) because I never drank on them again. In fact I quit taking them that day. I wish you luck and anything that you think will work for you is a step in the right direction. Sometimes it takes a few tries and different methods before we get it right. Take care and I will be thinking of you.
Rachel, thanks for the vicodin alert. Hell I know I am only replacing on addictin for another. I took some kind of a poll to see if I was addicted and as it turns out no big suprise here....I am heading that way. I guess I just feel since I gave up booze that pills are no big deal. Stupid I know. Luckily there are only a few left and no way to get more. I did find that I was saving them for if I get stressed so that there should be a huge red flag that I shouldn't take them. I appreciate your concern and thank you for answering. Not sure if Ihave chatted with you before so howdee do to you. Have a great 4th. VW is your sis right??? She is wonderful.

Friendship and Sobriety
Valarie
Hi,
I know you guys celebrate the 4th of july, We dont down here,
Okay this is probably going to sound like a dumb question....
What do you celebrate?
Ginge
Hey Ginge - July 4th is our Independence Day. Tomorrow makes 230 years that the US has been an official nation. And it'd only a dumb question if you were an American. Hope your packing, etc. is going well...
Hi Bella,
Thank you for that now you mention it I have heard of it,
Yes Im packed up, just got some clothes on the line, when they dry, Im finished packing and are going to go to NZ tomorrow now,
No point in sitting around may as well go visit ppl over there,
Hope you going strong this time my friend!
Lots to do,
You take care CB,
Ginge
Oh Vally please don't take this wrong. Please please stay away from those pills.

Take a wander over to the pain pills board and read some of the stories there - you kind of have to weed through the drama a bit LOL - but there are some sad stories there about the pill addictions. I would hate to see you get caught up in that.

Well I think being moody maybe goes with the territory of being an addict? I know I am moody as heck. In fact I'm a big ol grump today for no particular reason at all. But the good news is I didn't drink last night - thank goodness. I wanted too all afternoon, but I focussed on how crap I would feel the next day and that helped me a lot.

take care.
Idgie
Idgie,

Thanks for the concern Idg....I know I should not even be taking them. Luckily there are only a few. It's weird cuz I want to start cleaning and doing stuff when I take them. I thought they were just for pain. No worries though my friend after tonight they are all gone, kaput...and I will not seek them out. it was just nice after being sober after soo long to feel some sort of a buzz. I appreciate you saying something.
I'm sorry you are grumpy. I was like that a few days ago. Not sure if you read all my posts but Jayde and I were talking about being grumpy and I shared with her what I do when I am pissy. I smile at my self like a crazy mental patient in the mirror and then I can't help but laugh. Most of the time it works and I told Jayde if she didn't laugh at herself she can laugh at the fact that as she is doing it she can think of me the big dork doing it too. Give it a try. You may not feel much better but I promise you will get a chuckle and laughing releases endorphins which help with our moods.
I hope everything else is good with you. I was driving around today just grocery shopping and things and I found myself getting road rage which rarely happens......time for me to take a personal inventory and get off my pity boat. Idgie I hope you know just how great I think you are and I get so excited when I see I have a message from you!! Have a nice 4th...oh yeah you don't have that holiday! DUH...Well have a great Tuesday! :)

Peace and Friendship
Valarie
Hi Val,
I have learnt more through flicking through different boards than I ever knew. I was one of the people who felt there was a choice in addiction, I never really understood the pain and my son has told me I don't understand how bad it gets. That said my heart goes out to you around being out with your friends. But one poster said, that 10th step one, that is so true. I have a friend who's husband gave up drink years ago and they now have a very happy life together. She told me that some people when they ring her would say "Is P still off the drink?" She used to get really hurt that people would never let her forget. She used to say well he hasn't drunk in four years etc Now she just ignores it and it has stopped except for the few who love a bit of gossip. You are doing great and should just smile sweetly when anyone tries to remind you, don't even defend how hard it was, just stay strong. Have a happy 4th of July. Its your day
Independence day!!
love and hugs Cath
Cathy44,
Thank you for the message. The 10th step that was sent to me by VWGirl made more sense to me than alot of things people have said in a long time. I have to remember that this is "My Thing". I can't expect that anyone knows. I do know that without me drinking and making as a** out of myself all the time at all of the functions people don't have anything to talk about anymore. They have to possibly take a look at themselves and that scares them so they just bring up all my old stuff. That's okay though. I will try to just let it roll off my back like the water off of a duck. I can't be worried about everyone else and what they mightbe thinking. I haven't seen you before. Are you new to the boards? I have only been coming here for a little over a month...and I really love it here. I have gone to several other sites and this one is by far the best. Take care and I hope to chat with you again.

Happy 4th of July. I hope you and your family have a fun and safe holiday!

Peace and Sobriety,
Valarie
Hi Val
Well I used to CELEBRATE 4th of July when I lived in California. It was always a GREAT excuse for a giant piss-up LOL. We don't celebrate here even though my H is american. We did have a 4th party last year but there was a weird reason for that - too complicated to explain.

I love having you on the boards too girl. Well lunch time is here and since my AA member friend just told me this morning not to allow myself to get too hungry I'm off to feed my cake-hole.

Any excuse to pig out!!! LOL.
love ya.
Idgie.

PS. I've heard that cleaning or "super mom" phenomena is very common with pill abuse.
Hey Idg,
You crack me up. Cake Hole LOLOLOLOL....As for the cleaning thing it's weird. It's kinda like how I felt years ago on speed but without all the jitters and weirdness. I don't feel hyper just feel like cleaning. Organized drawers that have needed to be cleaned out for months. I used to do that kind of stuff when I was wasted on booze- . I would wake up in the morning and everything would be re-organized. Things in different drawers. Sometimes it freaked me out because it wasn't even organized how I would have done it. It was like an alien kidnapped me or something and a totally different person organized my house. Oh well...no need to worry about it anymore...all the pills are gone. Thank goodness because I could really like those. I was reading a little on the pill board and boy they can do a number on you. Some people were taking up to 50-60 pills of various types daily. I can't even imagine that. I just had a couple. Have a good lunch........What time is it over there? It is 8:35pm Pacific Standard time (California) July 3,2006. I think you or Ginge posted a world clock or something for me a while back since for some reason I can't figure out hemispheres and time zones. LMAO....Have a good day at work. P.S. Do you eat Vegemite? That stuff that was in that old "Men at Work" song. "I Come From a Land Down Under" Ha ha ha. My frame of reference for Australia is a bit antequated. Sorry about that. You are from Australia right???

Your Friend,
Valarie

Peace and Sobriety,
ValarieI -