what was that saying... confused people shouldnt give advise or straddle fenses...lol... that was funny ... I will have to remember that one....
Lord knows I have learned a lot of really useless platitudes on here spewed out to some of us like we were little morons....
'Here little morons... here is your lesson for today...... yadayada.....' most of the time I have to sort through all the mobojumbo and read those things about 3 times just to get the meaning... (maybe I am a little moron.. here is my spout.. oh no that is little teapot...lol..) anyway...
That little tidbit of info was simple and straight forward that even a moron like me (us) could get it...lol...
Thanks sharon I will have to remember that one...lol
Teresa
Sam, your post reaffirms why I love you so much! <smile>
It's words like that, that come from the heart and try to get us all to be compassionate human beings, that make me strive to be a better person.
I am learning so much from you.... Thank you
It's words like that, that come from the heart and try to get us all to be compassionate human beings, that make me strive to be a better person.
I am learning so much from you.... Thank you
Teresa,
maybe i am a moron because your last post didn't make sense to me.
care to elaborate?
love,
ladybug
maybe i am a moron because your last post didn't make sense to me.
care to elaborate?
love,
ladybug
Theresa, who in the hell do you think you are calling is morons?, takes one to know one.. dont start......... this is all that I am gonna say in reguards to this matter, and ladybug dont worry about her hun she oviousley has issues.... take care hun, your friend, mitzy....
oh my goodness... mitzy why so defensive.... I was not calling anyone a moron.... in fact just the oposite... I was making the statement that I liked the funny oneliner.... oh goodness why do i bother explaining to you...
oh but I will to you ladybug sense you asked nicely... like a human... as I was saying.... I was saying I liked the funny oneliner and that most of the little platitudes that get thrown around in some posts and quoted from here and there get so confusing it makes some of us feel like ME like they are saying here little morons... ect.... I was not call anyone a moron... quite the opposite... please accept my appology for the misunderstanding ladybug....
and mitzy... I dont know just why you feel like you have to get all defensive with me as I have never chimed in on any one of your 'issues'... your past is your past... but you just dont need to tell me not to start... cause I havent and If told not to... well then... you can add me to the ever growing list of people..... oh forget it... not worth my energy.. just better look before you leep....
oh but I will to you ladybug sense you asked nicely... like a human... as I was saying.... I was saying I liked the funny oneliner and that most of the little platitudes that get thrown around in some posts and quoted from here and there get so confusing it makes some of us feel like ME like they are saying here little morons... ect.... I was not call anyone a moron... quite the opposite... please accept my appology for the misunderstanding ladybug....
and mitzy... I dont know just why you feel like you have to get all defensive with me as I have never chimed in on any one of your 'issues'... your past is your past... but you just dont need to tell me not to start... cause I havent and If told not to... well then... you can add me to the ever growing list of people..... oh forget it... not worth my energy.. just better look before you leep....
I understand now what you meant.We all have different things that we find funny.I myself didn't think that line i commented about was funny.That's why i posted about it.
Thank you very much for clarifying because i didn't at all understand.
this is what happens when i run out of coffee :> (
Mitzy,
I try and ignore the kind of things that have been upsetting you.We gain nothing when we get involved in chaos and it only hurts us and clouds our minds from what we really need to be concentrating on and that is getting well and learning to live life without taking mood altering substances.When we are busy engaging in conflicts there isn't room for workin recovery and you may really miss something you need to hear for this day.You have people here who are your supporters.Why not concentrate on the people who have what you want and who you respect and ignore the rest?At this time in your recovery is the perfect time to keep it simple and take it one day at a time.Hit a live meeting and worry about getting well not what others motives are.
be well.
love,
ladybug
Thank you very much for clarifying because i didn't at all understand.
this is what happens when i run out of coffee :> (
Mitzy,
I try and ignore the kind of things that have been upsetting you.We gain nothing when we get involved in chaos and it only hurts us and clouds our minds from what we really need to be concentrating on and that is getting well and learning to live life without taking mood altering substances.When we are busy engaging in conflicts there isn't room for workin recovery and you may really miss something you need to hear for this day.You have people here who are your supporters.Why not concentrate on the people who have what you want and who you respect and ignore the rest?At this time in your recovery is the perfect time to keep it simple and take it one day at a time.Hit a live meeting and worry about getting well not what others motives are.
be well.
love,
ladybug
Lady Bug, thats was a great post, i have much respect for you , as well as sammy, you two always have such kind words that come from the heart...i am going to take your advise and move on, and as for you Theresa, i am sorry that said what i said, i was out of line i guess, i can admit when i am wrong, to me a person who can do that is a good person... i am saying Im sorry!!! lets just mve on and as for the past being the past, its true but some people do not get that concept and hold grudges and that to bad for them... take care all and talk to you soon,......
Thank you so much everyone for your advice and support. I'm still hanging on and it's been almost 48 hours- but i am going to the dr tomorrow. obviously today i started feeling not so good. i do feel kind of flu- like, bad headache, insomnia etc... anyway, i've heard that even though fioricet isn't that strong- it can be really addicting due to the butalbital in it. i hate headahces-they really suck!! But i know a lot of them are probalby rebound headaches. i did actually google everything about "withdrawl from barbiturates" etc... and i kept getting all those sales places that sell drugs online. it's so hard to find sites like this that actually have good information, rather than trying to just sell stuff.
i probably would have gotten myself addicted to more than the 5 a day if i had the money or had a dr that would have given them to me--but i should be thankful that he was concsience of that. :>)
Thanks again!!! I'll let ya know how it goes.
i probably would have gotten myself addicted to more than the 5 a day if i had the money or had a dr that would have given them to me--but i should be thankful that he was concsience of that. :>)
Thanks again!!! I'll let ya know how it goes.
PS- the one i take, fioricet, just has caffeine, butalbital and tylenol (acetaminophin) in it, but the names of the drugs sound so much alike so it is very confusing. i knew exactly what you were thinking of when you said that about the codene--(Fiorinal i think). i have taken that one before- with codene, but it's been a while. actually i think fiorinal can be with codene or with out. See, it's SO confusing!! i could never be a DR!! LOL!!!
:>)
:>)
Buglady,
I take your comments about as seriously as I take you. You never did have a sense of humor, why start now?
I take your comments about as seriously as I take you. You never did have a sense of humor, why start now?
good morning sharon....
as I said .. i loved that line about straddling fenses.. I told my friend carl last night and I thought he was going to laugh himself stupid... thanks for that as he needed a good laugh...
oh and congrats on your clean time... glad you are feeling better.. I wonder where others are with there clean time... ?... kerry... mitzy... lady bug... .. opps I know i put this on the wrong thread ... my bad... any whoo speak up... over there...
cheerio...
Teresa
as I said .. i loved that line about straddling fenses.. I told my friend carl last night and I thought he was going to laugh himself stupid... thanks for that as he needed a good laugh...
oh and congrats on your clean time... glad you are feeling better.. I wonder where others are with there clean time... ?... kerry... mitzy... lady bug... .. opps I know i put this on the wrong thread ... my bad... any whoo speak up... over there...
cheerio...
Teresa
just a quick question for you sharon -
is this message to ladybug an example of your experience, strength and hope?
you have no idea who this lovely lady is.
namaste'
sammy
is this message to ladybug an example of your experience, strength and hope?
you have no idea who this lovely lady is.
namaste'
sammy
Sammy,
I know exactly who this lady is from my previous experience with her on this board, thus my post to her. She is your friend and I know that you all are managers on PA, so I can see why both of you feel the need to defend each other. I do that too with my friends. I don't feel that her post showed hope or experience either. I showed weakness with my post for sure, but I have difficulty when people are condesending. It irks me, you know. Sammy you've been in recovery a long time, me.......I only have a year and it shows. I hope that I can continue to learn from you and others. If you knew what was going on in my life right now, I think that you would give me a little break when I fall short in my outlook on things and my responses to people who are rude.
God bless,
I know exactly who this lady is from my previous experience with her on this board, thus my post to her. She is your friend and I know that you all are managers on PA, so I can see why both of you feel the need to defend each other. I do that too with my friends. I don't feel that her post showed hope or experience either. I showed weakness with my post for sure, but I have difficulty when people are condesending. It irks me, you know. Sammy you've been in recovery a long time, me.......I only have a year and it shows. I hope that I can continue to learn from you and others. If you knew what was going on in my life right now, I think that you would give me a little break when I fall short in my outlook on things and my responses to people who are rude.
God bless,
thank you sharon for your response to me. yes she is my friend and sponsee and i love her to pieces - just as i do you. although i have known bugs much longer than you, i have had the delightful opportunity to chat and email with you on occasion. i guess that is why i wondered if something was up, because i remember having some lovely conversations with you, sharon. i'm not use to seeing this type of message from you.
i would be grateful to chat or email with you, again, if you care to share. a problem shared, is a problem lessened.
if ya want to give me a holler i'm on yahoo IM (dsam2u)
or
email - dsam2u@comcast.net
namaste'
sammy
i would be grateful to chat or email with you, again, if you care to share. a problem shared, is a problem lessened.
if ya want to give me a holler i'm on yahoo IM (dsam2u)
or
email - dsam2u@comcast.net
namaste'
sammy
Sammy, with all due respect, you have no idea what a lovely lady Sharon is either. 90 percent of the reason I am clean today is because of this woman. She is the most loyal, decent, loving friend I have ever had. Just as you are quick to defend your good friend, so am I to defend mine. Life has not been kind to her lately so we all need to remember that love goes a long way......for everybody. When she makes a post regarding medicine, it's a knowledgable one. She's been in the medical field for a long time. Sharon also not just talks the talk, she walks it too. I've never been more proud to call someone my best friend in my life, than I am to give that title to Sharon. Anyone who truly knows Sharon, is not only blessed, but also knows her heart. It is never her intention to hurt another person. It frustrates her to try and share what she knows to end up being criticized for it. This woman straddles no fences. When she loves you and considers you her friend, you know it. A year of sobriety is a very big deal to me. I respect that beyond words. Too often on this board, we are quick to assume feelings that don't exist. Sharon has bent over backwards to try and assist Mitzy in her dilema. To anyone who doesn't know her, doesn't understand her, I lovingly suggest to try. My life is one hundred percent better for having her in it. Give Sharon kindness, give her the respect that we all deserve, and watch and see the results. Once she sees a person is for real, that they are serious about recovery, her compassion is unbelievable. And if she seemed a little short with anyone, we should give her a break. We all never know how hard another person's life is, especially someone who doesn't post all their personal buisness. Sharon, I love you. There is no one like you. Your sister for life, Kat
Thank you, my sister. I love you more than words can express.
Sincerely,
Sincerely,
Hi,
I agree Kat, Sharon and I have had our moments, to put it nicely! lol But when all is said and done we've become good friends and I love her too, as I do you and a few others. Saying whats needed rather than what sounds nice is what I know I need to hear most if not all the time. I said I'd go to any and all lengths to stay clean and sober and hearing what I need is a big part of it. And Sharon I know for me can always be counted on for shotting straight from the hip, for me I like that. I was told to read the Big Book, the Step Book etc.. So I don't need to read it here, I don't mind being told to do what I need to do, but I don't need to have it copied and pasted here either. I think thats part of recovery, I wouldn't make it easy by posting it here, i say this is what you need go get one, and if someone is really serious about wanting a life free from active addiction thats what they'll do. And if someone doesn't have the money to buy one, most times a group will agree to just give you one. I've chaired meetings and gave a few away, my dad gave me his Big Book, then baught another one for himself. And I raised my hand at a meeting once and asked for a step book but didn't have the money and they made sure I got one. Thats how it works. If you really want it, it's there, but it's up to whoever to go get it. These are just my opinions, not meant to be mean but for me, it's my recovery and I'll do what it takes for me.
Didn't mean to get off the subject, so, yes, I love Sharon too, I was also told once by my sponsor when I said I wasn't crazy about someone once at a meeting he said, I'm there for the message not the messenger!
Take care..................................God bless.........................................Bob
I agree Kat, Sharon and I have had our moments, to put it nicely! lol But when all is said and done we've become good friends and I love her too, as I do you and a few others. Saying whats needed rather than what sounds nice is what I know I need to hear most if not all the time. I said I'd go to any and all lengths to stay clean and sober and hearing what I need is a big part of it. And Sharon I know for me can always be counted on for shotting straight from the hip, for me I like that. I was told to read the Big Book, the Step Book etc.. So I don't need to read it here, I don't mind being told to do what I need to do, but I don't need to have it copied and pasted here either. I think thats part of recovery, I wouldn't make it easy by posting it here, i say this is what you need go get one, and if someone is really serious about wanting a life free from active addiction thats what they'll do. And if someone doesn't have the money to buy one, most times a group will agree to just give you one. I've chaired meetings and gave a few away, my dad gave me his Big Book, then baught another one for himself. And I raised my hand at a meeting once and asked for a step book but didn't have the money and they made sure I got one. Thats how it works. If you really want it, it's there, but it's up to whoever to go get it. These are just my opinions, not meant to be mean but for me, it's my recovery and I'll do what it takes for me.
Didn't mean to get off the subject, so, yes, I love Sharon too, I was also told once by my sponsor when I said I wasn't crazy about someone once at a meeting he said, I'm there for the message not the messenger!
Take care..................................God bless.........................................Bob
bob and all..
Are you taking courses in the 'Teresa school of long poster degree program'... lol just kidding... you said it brother.. my home group gives texts away and the other group that i frequent also has a fund thats sole purpose is to place lititure in the hands of those that cant afford it... at any rate.. if the addict couldnt afford drugs then what would they be clean...?... i think not...
As for Sharon... one things you cant say about her.. she straddles no fences.. she tells it like it is... if you get it you get it... she is a forgiving person... she does walk the walk... and I find her to be honest and forth coming.. she is down with the rest of us recovering addicts. I too have benifitted from her warmth and compassion... I only wish for others to be blessed as I and others are..
If the rest would come down from the high places long enough to see the big pictures and speak from the wounds with open minds and know that we are but creature not of our faults but from the wounds when we deviate from love. I believe that only some are ready to make that walk to recovery and the rest will just be in the shadows. The shadow is not an ok place to be and I will not waste my time pretending that it is..
Teresa
Are you taking courses in the 'Teresa school of long poster degree program'... lol just kidding... you said it brother.. my home group gives texts away and the other group that i frequent also has a fund thats sole purpose is to place lititure in the hands of those that cant afford it... at any rate.. if the addict couldnt afford drugs then what would they be clean...?... i think not...
As for Sharon... one things you cant say about her.. she straddles no fences.. she tells it like it is... if you get it you get it... she is a forgiving person... she does walk the walk... and I find her to be honest and forth coming.. she is down with the rest of us recovering addicts. I too have benifitted from her warmth and compassion... I only wish for others to be blessed as I and others are..
If the rest would come down from the high places long enough to see the big pictures and speak from the wounds with open minds and know that we are but creature not of our faults but from the wounds when we deviate from love. I believe that only some are ready to make that walk to recovery and the rest will just be in the shadows. The shadow is not an ok place to be and I will not waste my time pretending that it is..
Teresa
Sharon,
I wish you the best in your recovery and life.
love,
ladybug
I wish you the best in your recovery and life.
love,
ladybug
it is time for me to be silent here. it's quite obvious to my heart that my words/thoughts/ideas are being misconstrued and twisted. this tells me that clearly, i am having trouble relating my message.
yet before i leave i will say something about wounds, since this message has been brought to the attention of this thread.
insensitivity makes a wound that heals slowly. if someone hurts your
feelings intentionally you know how to react. you know the source of
the pain. but if someone accidentally bruises your soul, it's difficult
to know how to respond.
someone at work criticizes the new boss who also happens to be your
dear friend. "oh, i'm sorry - i forgot the two of you were so close."
a joke is told at a party about overweight people. you're overweight.
you hear the joke. you smile politely while your heart sinks.
what was intended to be a reprimand for a decision or action becomes a
personal attack. "you have a history of poor decisions, john."
someone chooses to wash your dirty laundry in public. "sue, is it true
that you and jim are separated?"
insensitive comments. thoughts that should have remained thoughts.
feelings which had no business being expressed. opinions carelessly
tossed like a grenade into a crowd. and if you were to tell the one who
threw these thoughtless darts about the pain they caused, his/her response
would be "oh, but i had no intention. i didn't realize you were so
sensitive!" or "i forgot you were here." or "i'm just shooting it to you straight up."
listed under the title of subterfuge is the poison of insensitivity.
it's called subterfuge because it's so subtle. just a slip of the
tongue. just a blank of memory. no one is at fault. no harm done.
perhaps. and, perhaps not. for as the innocent attackers go on their
way excusing themselves for things done without hurtful intention, a
wounded soul is left in the dust, utterly confused. "if no one intended
to hurt me, then why do i hurt so badly?"
"restraint of pen and tongue" . . . wise admonition in most circumstances. and an admonition that has been mentioned here before.
but, you know, i knew that. deep down i knew and although this message was taught to me in the bible verses from early childhood, intuitively, i already knew this. every grace i need has already been given to me...i just needed to move beyond my big fat ego:
the tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body.
it corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on
fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. (James 3:6)
he who guards his mouth and his tongue keeps himself from calamity.
(Proverbs 21:23)
guess what . . . i heard the preaching, but, never understood the message
with my heart. quite the opposite. in the society where i "grew up", i
learned that the quickest tongue got the most attention . . .
ultimately, though, the damage done far exceeded the fun of the slander and pithiness.
the message is clear: i cannot afford the luxury of idle words. excuses such
as "i didn't know you were here" or "i didn't realize this was so touchy" or "i'm going to tell you like it is." to me are shallow.
thank you for the time you have allowed me here; for loving me and letting me love you. however, it's time for me to be still. i have had the distinct pleasure to share and meet some incredible people here and know i will continue to journey with them in other avenues.
i wish you all a life blessed with love.
namaste'
sammy
yet before i leave i will say something about wounds, since this message has been brought to the attention of this thread.
insensitivity makes a wound that heals slowly. if someone hurts your
feelings intentionally you know how to react. you know the source of
the pain. but if someone accidentally bruises your soul, it's difficult
to know how to respond.
someone at work criticizes the new boss who also happens to be your
dear friend. "oh, i'm sorry - i forgot the two of you were so close."
a joke is told at a party about overweight people. you're overweight.
you hear the joke. you smile politely while your heart sinks.
what was intended to be a reprimand for a decision or action becomes a
personal attack. "you have a history of poor decisions, john."
someone chooses to wash your dirty laundry in public. "sue, is it true
that you and jim are separated?"
insensitive comments. thoughts that should have remained thoughts.
feelings which had no business being expressed. opinions carelessly
tossed like a grenade into a crowd. and if you were to tell the one who
threw these thoughtless darts about the pain they caused, his/her response
would be "oh, but i had no intention. i didn't realize you were so
sensitive!" or "i forgot you were here." or "i'm just shooting it to you straight up."
listed under the title of subterfuge is the poison of insensitivity.
it's called subterfuge because it's so subtle. just a slip of the
tongue. just a blank of memory. no one is at fault. no harm done.
perhaps. and, perhaps not. for as the innocent attackers go on their
way excusing themselves for things done without hurtful intention, a
wounded soul is left in the dust, utterly confused. "if no one intended
to hurt me, then why do i hurt so badly?"
"restraint of pen and tongue" . . . wise admonition in most circumstances. and an admonition that has been mentioned here before.
but, you know, i knew that. deep down i knew and although this message was taught to me in the bible verses from early childhood, intuitively, i already knew this. every grace i need has already been given to me...i just needed to move beyond my big fat ego:
the tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body.
it corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on
fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. (James 3:6)
he who guards his mouth and his tongue keeps himself from calamity.
(Proverbs 21:23)
guess what . . . i heard the preaching, but, never understood the message
with my heart. quite the opposite. in the society where i "grew up", i
learned that the quickest tongue got the most attention . . .
ultimately, though, the damage done far exceeded the fun of the slander and pithiness.
the message is clear: i cannot afford the luxury of idle words. excuses such
as "i didn't know you were here" or "i didn't realize this was so touchy" or "i'm going to tell you like it is." to me are shallow.
thank you for the time you have allowed me here; for loving me and letting me love you. however, it's time for me to be still. i have had the distinct pleasure to share and meet some incredible people here and know i will continue to journey with them in other avenues.
i wish you all a life blessed with love.
namaste'
sammy
