Ghost Of Christmas Past

I find that I get less & less in the spirit of Christmas these years.
OK -Thanks giving , Im out there going my thing at eva's kitchen , dishing out the grub for the less fortunate- - but for some reason Christmas just reminds me of the great christmas,s of yesteryear-
Being a kid , the anticipation, the family parties, the whole snowing thing, even going to the midnight mass is part of an era long gone

Now, commercialism along with this bad economy seems like its forcing Christmas on me. No young kids, no midnight mass, also lots of family and friends are no longer with us.
Maybe Im just in a funk - How are you guys doing this season,?? I always think its different for addicts- so many different type of memories. Most bad- - but some nice

Anyway - its 3am & it started to snow again- we got a bunch of snow today Jersey, maybe it will help the mood. You know- a zillion cars sliding down the highway like bumper cars- doesn't get any better than that!

Well -to all a good night
jack

Hi Jack ~
I have always been a Christmas lover, but it took me a good deal longer to warm up this year. I am the keeper of Christmas and other family traditions among my five sibs and they are all very grateful that I make the effort. But I understand about the past...expectations were not so high then and being a kid was easier. I was listening to kids talking to 'Santa" on the radio the other day and they were all asking for these incredibly expensive electronis, even my students, most of whom come from welfare families, are expecting big money items. One kid on the radio had a list that didn't include a single item under $100! We are having a smaller Christmas this year...season passes to our Vermont mountain and stockings...our girls don't need more than that...and my husband and I have never exchanged gifts except on rare occasions.

I have a dear friend in her 70s, very independent and with only one sister who never leaves the house. Every year she spends Christmas abroad in some small place where she doesn't know anyone and where there are few stores. I admire her independence and refusal to go along with the hoopla. She has found her escape in her own way...certainly not for everyone, but it works for her.

Guess I got off-topic here, but I wanted to say hello and wish you a warm holiday.

Peace~MomNMore

Why not go to mass, Jack? Why not a few masses over the next few days? Even though you have no little ones around and many of your family members are departed, you may find some peace and comfort in the old rituals.

Hello folks.....unfortunatly i didnt have good times at this time of year....as a kid that is,my Christmas day would start by opening the few presents my Ma had slaved to save the money for.........my father never got me or my Bro anything.....for him getting pissed and lashes out to anyone who questioned his authority...would be the norm......on the day itself the whole family was on edge,coz he would be confined to the house(no pubs open)and start drinking early and by afternoon.....he would become a monster......slapping my Ma about over some imaginary slight and yelling at us like a lunatic......so not many happy memories of this time of year as a kid growing up.It was only when i was 15,that my Ma got the courage to go to the cops and charge him with assault and a restraining order,so he was outta our lives....ive never seen or heard from him since then.He may well be dead,and he certainly doesnt know of my Bros death in 98,.Enough of that grimness......now i really enjoy Christmas its cool in my house just me my Ma and Sian......and i just love the look in her eyes as she opens her pressies,really touches me.....i do spoil her,but i cant help it......maybe i want her to have the joy of Christmas that i never had,but she is my world anyway so now ive kinda come full circle,hated Xmas a youth,but now ive got my own little family i really love.....only thing is the empty seat,my Bro.......had too drive to his grave today to make sure it looks good,flowers small plants etc....we do it often but always shed some tears.On the upside im clean no drugs in me only the juice,no more waking up on Xmas morning knowing the rattles are not but a few hours away.Sorry for the ramble......Jack my favorite New Yorker,and Momn well my favorite Mam.....hope you both have a great time this year.....best wishes.......Davey
Hi GYAC...I went through that a few years back...can understand very well the feeling...growing up we always had huge Christmas's...our house was very large and we had 4 generations living in it...my parents would open the house on Christmas Eve after we all had gone to chruch...christmas day was extraordinary...anyways...time does its thing...many are gone, my father, all my grandparents now...the house is gone too now....it can be very sad...so, you ask, how the fck do i not get sad now...well...lets see...first off...the old cliche about living for the present really really really does work...stay in the present, the moment...dont allow yourself to drift ....second of all...i had to pare it down and make it totally simple...like...what is it that I ( and keep it at I, you, just yourself)..really loved about Christmas...for me...its the lights...simple...keep it really simple GYAC...so, lights for me...so i go for a walk and really LOOK at the lights, go into town, yes, all by myself...its got to first be only about you...because you have to get yoourself to a place that you can like and be happy about...i mean, Christmas is going to come around every single year whether we want it to or not so you have to find something you can grow old with and like about it...if its gifts...find an orphange, or an elderly hoome or something like it where you can go shopping and buy gifts..i love to decorate , i love the colors, the fabrics, the lights....i love the music...so i keep it to what i enjoy...and then now for me that is Christmas...it doesnt make me sad anymore...oh, well, ya, sometimes sure it does, i miss those days too somtimes...but i figure (im a strong believer in reincarnatiion)...that i will be able to do it all again someday....but for now, im doing something else, something different...and I like it...i like that im clean, that im not worrying about the dealers being on vacation during this time...i like the food...if food is what you like...then cook and bake up a storm...find someone who would love it...cook for them, bake for them...ive foound that I like to bake too...so i make cookies and stuff and then bring them to work...simplicity GYAC...i know, its not the greatest of advice...but its all i got and im hoping it might help...because i DO know how sad and painful it CAN be sometimes when you look back...i try now to get things into a place where i can grow old with them now and be ok with it...i figure if im 90 or 80 and im in a home or something...that i would still be able to look at the lights, listen to the music...simple things that hopefully will never go away...and thats what Im trying to say...pare it down, keep it sinple, find something that you love and that can stand the test of time...something that does not depend upon others, or will go away...I find i can smile now at the old memories...but i dont dwell on them now...i move on...i cut the expectations too...i have none...just happy for the warmth of my house, the food i eat...that kind of thing...for the first time in my life i went and got a tree all by myself this year...i put it up, decorated it...and...it was really fun...just me and the tree, and i wondered if i would have done it if i had been all alone and no one would have been coming home...and you know what ?...i think i would have...because it makes me happy to see the lights ...there will come a time when i maybe cant do it by myself...but there will hopefully always be pretty lights on christmas...and even old and decrepit i hope i will be able to still see the pretty lights...simple...try it GYAC.... Hugs to you ..:)..

Con
How are you guys doing this season,?? i'm personally just awful "i'll throw a poor me party." i hate everything about the whole thing. I hate the weather, the traffic, the cost, the stress. I've never liked anything about it. Now more then ever the only thing i'ld like is a nice hit. My fiance is driving me INSANE. His family is too stressful on me. I'm acually trying to work christmas eve and day just to get away from this garabage. I CAN NOT WAIT TILL DECEMBER 26TH!. i COULD GO ON and on with how done with the holiday I am. I've not even been posting much because my mood is so crappy. i've had more money to spend this year then i ever in my life have had. I bought AWSOME stuff for my kids. I spent more on my mom and brothers. It's not a money thing for me. I don't even care about gifts i just want it OVER!. $$$$ WISE MY KIDS ARE GETTING HIGHER priced things then i've been able to give in the past. I'm glad for them for me i'ld rather be under a rock till spring gets here.
Con, honey, you sound just great...so glad you came by =) I did a lot myself this year, too, and it wasn't as bad as I thought...kind of peaceful once I got used to it.

Wife home for Christmas or New Year's? How's her job working out? Things here are okay, you know, one day at a time...but okay if I take it like that. Bought our Christmas dinner tonight and shopped with my younger daughter. Husband took off at 4am in a snowstorm to go skiing...he's a knucklehead, but I love him.

We'll talk again before the big day, I hope, but if not....Merry, merry Christmas to you and yours...and to you, too ZG. The kids will dig this christmas for sure =)

Love ~ MomNMore

PS Con, Jack and GYAC are 2 different people...both awesome, and good friends. No matter, your message was one of hope and pleasure and works for every single person who reads it. Peace out, sister.
Jack,
Man.....I SOOOOOOO feel you! With each year that passes so does the xmas spirit for me and the loss of my mom seems to have pushed it into overdrive. My only thrill is the joy the little ones get but beyond that it's one big MONEY MONEY MONEY show. I have been in a funky mood for the last week almost dreading this coming week.....that was until my great niece said she can't wait to see me to give me a gift she MADE.....those dam kids kow how to melt a heart don't they!?!?! The best to all!
Dear Jack,

If it weren't for my grandchildren (I know I am blessed) I wouldn't be much into the whole Christmas thing. We know we SHOULD dwell on who IS here rather than who isn't....but it's so darn hard to be happy and excited about holiday festivities when (in my case) two of the most special people in my life who shared many, many of those happy holidays with me aren't here anymore. I just mixed up my mom's favorite cookies (Old-fashioned sugar). I didn't do it for me. I could care less about cookies these days but my kids have learned about holiday preparations from me and I learned them from my mom....and they (my kids) don't want to give them up (which I am happy that the rituals mean a lot to them...it's just that I have to push myself to act happy about doing them). To be honest....it sounds like we're all dealing with depression!!!!

I don't know what I would do without Angelina (my granddaughter) living here. She lifts my spirits so much. She wrote my gift tag tonight and wrote the lower case "g" in her name with a heart instead of a circle because "she loves me so much." She's been sick...running a fever for a few days and this morning she said to me, "Gammy, my hot cold is gone!" meaning her fever. I thought it was actually a very clever way of describing what she had...and so adorable at the same time.

She is my "feel better shot" each day. You need to look for yours. They're around you. My mom had to live in a secure dementia unit for her last few years, and MANY of the people there with her were brought there and totally abandoned...like their families just wanted to forget they existed. Maybe there is someone in your area in their situation and trust me when I say you would be blessed as much as them by building a relationship with them. They can be very delightful.

During my son's active addiction, going to Mass daily helped me VERY much....it was the only place I felt any peace. My children bring me joy but they also bring me stress because of my son's addiction, depression, and financial problems, because of my older daughter's health issues (Sjogren's), and because of my younger daughter's depression problems and helping to raise her 5 year old daughter in our home.

Anyway....we will be baking cookies tomorrow....and watching my granddaughter's excitement about it will help get me in the holiday spirit I am sure. I got my Christmas cards done (keeping in contact with people I don't get to see very often), my shopping done except for one item I'm trying to find, most of my wrapping done, and a little decorating done. Yes, I had to push myself to do a lot of it but to see those smiles on my children and grandchildren's faces will make it all worthwhile. By the way...with one year of retirement under our belt, our Christmases are much more humble. I used to have a hard time keeping the spending on each of my kids under $300 or $400 each. This year, it's under $100. Of course I shopped for good deals on their stuff so I could buy more....but things have to change when you are on limited income and the economy is doing so poorly. Maybe the poor economy will humble us all! It sounds like we (Americans) need it when the kids' presents (even the ones on assistance) are over $100!!!!! Thankfully my kids weren't very bad about that. We have deprived children and grandchildren. We don't have a Wii!

Love,
Susan
Oh Jeez; Im sorry Jack...I meant Jack but then it came out GYAC...there I go ; chasing myself round the Christmas tree....ha ha !! Sorry for the mix....
Thanks M&M....and ya, I felt kind of peaceful too once I got past the Im doing this alone thing...I can honestly say I kind of liked it...Wife comes in tonight and will be home now until after New Years..she got holiday leave after all...we were really happy about it because we didnt expect it...were also taking it just one day at a time..no other way anymore to take it....but Im feeling ok with things this year, at least for the moment..smile...always thinking of you M&M; and Im wishing you and yours a Peaceful and Merry Christmas...:)
I've had a hard time getting in the spirit this year also. Our tree has sat here for a week now..naked.lol. I mean not decorated. We finally put lights on it today and I've bought gifts but I have'nt wrapped them. And I absolutely dread going to my mother-in-law,s on Christmas Eve! I keep thinking there must be something terribly wrong with me. (besides laziness, although that's part of it) Ted and I always made a list and shopped together. We'd do it all on 1 day and we'd have so much fun! Even one year when we were split up, we still did our Christmas shopping together. Last year was the first without him. I did'nt decorate or buy any presents. I just ignored Christmas. It's not that bad this year but it's not the same without Ted.
Thanks OK Con , I figured it out. Th e problem with this board is you cant see the posts above the one your typing , so stuff gets mixed up all the time- - I should know * *

Yeah, I also had the big family gig on Christmas Eve- - The kids even put on little plays for the adults- I remember they dressed me up like one of the 3 wise men one time.
Now -all OUR kids try and keep it going , Its pretty kool.

I gotta tell ya though ,for about 10 years or so I was trying not to let anyone know I was high, so I used to play it off like I was a little drunk and sleepy.

Now , its straight ginger ale for me. I get a kick out of all my brothers & my sister,s kids - Mine is like 22 yrs old-He just checks his envolopes
Yeah times have changed - some are no longer with us , but I guess its what you make of it - There are always the memories

peaceonearth,
jack
Hello - I enjoy reading your posts. Love the Irish slang. Me I'm a Philly girl. So Yo to youse guys! Ha.
This year it's weird. I was so down on Christmas and then I had a change come over me. I am so glad. I hope it sticks. Everything went smooth for once in my life. I'm the mother who does it all. All the shopping, all the cooking, alot of the decorating, gift buying, wrapping, you name it! I used to hate Christmas. This is also the first year without my mother. She passed January 11th. God was good to let her see a new year. She was so sick though. Today I was scanning some of last years Christmas pictures and WOW I couldn't believe how bad she looked. It was sad seeing them again. Now I'm coming to accept that it was her time and I'm grateful that her suffering is over. We had a bedroom in my house built for her. I put all of the kids Santa Claus pictures over the years in there. I left her a note telling her how much I love and miss her. I hope she sees everything.
I had alot of work the past few years and alot of that has calmed down with her being gone. I'm kind of ashamed to say that it is a relief. I used to do all of her Christmas shopping for her, and running around to chemo and radiation was sad. One time at the end she asked a doctor if he thought she was going to make it. The look on his face. I guess addiction isn't the only disease that has denial.
Anyway I have to work one winter holiday and for some lucky reason I haven't done a Christmas in a long time. I thought for sure they would nab me this year. Another thing I am grateful for. (I won't answer my phone all day Christmas) I just want to say that to some degree everything is what you make it to be. This year I'm gonna try to keep it simple. When I was using I was so demanding. I hated myself so I wanted alot of stuff to make me feel good. Boy was that spoiled rotten. This year I don't care about gifts for me. I just want to go to church Christmas eve with my fam, come home and let them open a gift, relax, have some treats and put on my pajamas and wait for Santa. Hopefully it will go as planned...if the kids cooperate. I guess I have to realize that it's not always what I want too.
Anyway Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a sober New Year!
Also wanted to say sorry to Davey for what he had to go through. No family should have to suffer like that. I'm glad you have your little girl and treat her so well. You've broke the chain of abuse!
Alice.P.,...........Thank you for understanding me and my Christmases past,its hard to put down in words...but i know i can voice my inner demons on here coz there are people on this board who have helped me alot and love also.....a place of sanctuary if you will.As ya said ive broken the chains of abuse,and someone saying that means an awful lot to me so thank you Alice.P.Have a nice,relaxing,fun filled festive season.......as im sure i will........take care and thanks again Alice.P....................Davey
Yeah Davey that's a childhood Christmas that just shouldn't be. It sounds very similar to the way Sandy,s were(you all remember Sandy)
She had a alcoholic,abusive father who eventually died of liver problems before he was 55.
The only reason she finally got out of that shack that the family was living in - in upstate NY -by the Vermont border- was because one drunken day he cut his arm off at the paper mill he worked at & won a little law suit. Back then everyone worked at a paper mill Upstate(they have all long since closed)

He caused every Holiday to be a disaster . The cops were always there ,as he screamed , yelled. got violent, and ruined every Christmas she ever had. He used to go crazy if he heard the spoon ,hitting the side of the glass while someone stirred hot coco- - Crazy, sick man he was *
He died sober, but he had wasted away to a sad shell - hallucinating, and delirious. Ironically counting on the family he had abused to take care if him.
-- Anyway , you right, enough about that depressing stuff. I guess I'm just thinking about her a bit. She always said that she really never had a Christmas until she met me and my family.

Makes me feel a bit lonely- thinking about her though- and my Dad. My kid has his friends and his girlfriend of the week. I guess I got my mom downstairs and family and a few friends. -but life changes ya know?? Ya take it as it comes ,make the best of it and move on. If ya think you have it rough- think again, someone ALWAYS has it so much harder - more then we will ever know

muchblessings,
jack
DAVIE M8,U PROBABLY WOULDNT BELIEVE HOW ALIKE OUR UPBRINGINGS HAVE BEEN EXCEPT MY MA GOT THE GUTS WHEN I WAS 5,AFTER BEING BEATEN,SHOT AND ABUSED,THAT TIME THE PUBS CLOSED AT 10PM,so we had to watch for him comin so that my ma could have his hot dinner on the table for him.He was a worker,just gave my ma or us f***-all off it.My ma had to pick potatoes while she was pregnant with me.I CANT IMAGINE ME HAVING ENOUGH badness or wickedness in me to have my woman do that,,Anyway,these days for us at least r well gone..Have a merry xmas and a happy new year to all on the board...a,l give u a bit of auld lang syne next week...ECK...BONNIE SCOTLAND
Davie - Also did you get that WII for your daughter or yourself? LOL I think you are going to enjoy it as much as her.
Jack, sometimes it doesn't matter that others have it worse than we do...our own situation still makes us feel the way it does, even though we know in our head that we have much to be grateful for.

I heard some pretty cool stuff in your post about family plays and the younger generation of your family...keep that good stuff on the front burner...

On another note...I got a new student last week whose mother brought him and his 6 year old brother to the US just in time to have her third child without a father to help and they are now homeless after less than 2 weeks here. These kids have been ripped away from their home, their friends, their school, their language and are living in a section 8 hotel for Christmas. I gave all my kids a small gift today and I was so glad to be able to do that tiny thing for this child. I am now sitting in my warm house with my laptop and Christmas tree...

...gosh, I feel so blessed.

Peace, Jack ~ MomNMore
Alrite Alice.P,........a bit of both i must admit,but its what she wrote on the note to Santa,so a Wii and ALL the acceseries was her suprise,also i got her a special games seat,which can do a myriad of things.......so shes well sorted for Christmas this year.Take care Alice...and have a happy and contented festive season....................Davey
Ithink if i was a tree and could pick what kind it would have t be an xmas tree,all nice,n warm while the other trees r freezing their branches off and no birds s***tin on ye or dog,s peeing on ye..just a thought eck