Hi all,
I just wanna say. For those of us who choose to go cold turkey and be done with any kind of meds all together or the ones who switch to a med. to help with withdraw, although it may be a difference of opinion fact is were all trying to get clean.
I believe with the sub. or whatever it all depends on ones motive. For example my bro. in-law is on methadone, he wants people to think it's to get clean, but it's very obvious he's abusing that as well.
Sure, I believe people can get clean with the aid of some of these meds. It's only my opinion that it's not a good idea.
I just read a post where someone was accusing another of running someone off, because of that persons opinion of sub.
That person that was in so much pain and felt like death was the only answer was on this sub. and still craving the oxys.
I don't think it's putting someone down when I share my experience or an opinion.
For me and only me I am glad to have experienced the pain, because it's a constant reminder of a way I never want to feel again.
That doesn't mean I'm putting someone down for finding another way.
I think, in my opinion, if your on some kind of med. to help with withdraw thats fine as long as it's for that only and not as a way around some kind of program that will help with addiction and learning how to live life on lifes terms without picking up. It's all about change. Nothing changes if nothing changes.
Take care...............................God bless.........................................Bob
Why would you be glad to experience pain? You are saying if you have a choice between detoxing in utter horrible pain or doing it painlessly you choose utter horrible pain? What is this, the middle ages? I don't subscribe to the school of thought that suffering breeds character. I thought that sort of thinking went out with the Inquisition. Sure it's great to start a program to change your life, but first things first and thats the detox. I say whatever it takes short of drinking the blood of virgins to painlessly detox off opiates, go for it. The program can come after. tm.
Hi,
For me, I have a father and friends who are sober for alot of years. I saw them detox and make it through. I knew the minute withdraw set in, I didn't want to feel that way ever again. I knew also, just for me, if I could get around the withdraw my sick head could easily justify picking up again knowing I would be able to avoid withdraw. So just for me, being clean today and sober is wonderful.
When I have a day that isn't so good I can look back and remember how bad it was and be instantly reminded that the day isn't that bad after all. Thats just for me. When I was told, you can't quit drinking, drinking, or using, using, I was fine with that, and in my head knew a few days or weeks of hell in trade for hopfully the rest of my life clean and sober was a fair deal. For me.
Take care ..........................God bless.................................................Bob
For me, I have a father and friends who are sober for alot of years. I saw them detox and make it through. I knew the minute withdraw set in, I didn't want to feel that way ever again. I knew also, just for me, if I could get around the withdraw my sick head could easily justify picking up again knowing I would be able to avoid withdraw. So just for me, being clean today and sober is wonderful.
When I have a day that isn't so good I can look back and remember how bad it was and be instantly reminded that the day isn't that bad after all. Thats just for me. When I was told, you can't quit drinking, drinking, or using, using, I was fine with that, and in my head knew a few days or weeks of hell in trade for hopfully the rest of my life clean and sober was a fair deal. For me.
Take care ..........................God bless.................................................Bob
Bob,
When I first came to this board and for many weeks I looked to you for good advice and ususally got it. I admired you for your hard work on getting sober and staying sober. As you know, I quit cold turkey and I'm in a recovery program and going to NA and working the steps, journaling, using my God jar,
walking, and because my higher power is God, I pray alot. I still admire you for being sober. I guess you know that the I had a problem with what you said to August, but you two cleared that up with each other. Then when I was supporting people who chose to get help with Sub, I became upset with the comments to them. I felt that you attacked me for no reason in a post, just because I didn't respond to a question about Sub. On Sub all I've done is research it, and I felt I would have been false with you if I answered your question because I've never used it, but I support those people on this board for choosing to try this to get clean, and I'm praying for everyone that can get sober and clean in any way they choose. Then you jumped on to me for not answering someone else's post. When someone has a very serious or life threating problem, I leave that to you and others to answer because you have the most soberity. ON the 12 I will have 100 days clean but I'm still new to the process and am trying my best to do everything I can do to stay sober. I apologize to you for being antagonistic with you. I want only peace on this board and will confine myself from now on to be only supportive.
What I would like to hear on this message board is more stories of recovery and what people are doing in their recovery to stay sober. It will help me and others.
Please accept my apology for any posts that have made you angry. I will try harder from now on. I just want us all to get along, and I apologize to Gina also.
Sharon
When I first came to this board and for many weeks I looked to you for good advice and ususally got it. I admired you for your hard work on getting sober and staying sober. As you know, I quit cold turkey and I'm in a recovery program and going to NA and working the steps, journaling, using my God jar,
walking, and because my higher power is God, I pray alot. I still admire you for being sober. I guess you know that the I had a problem with what you said to August, but you two cleared that up with each other. Then when I was supporting people who chose to get help with Sub, I became upset with the comments to them. I felt that you attacked me for no reason in a post, just because I didn't respond to a question about Sub. On Sub all I've done is research it, and I felt I would have been false with you if I answered your question because I've never used it, but I support those people on this board for choosing to try this to get clean, and I'm praying for everyone that can get sober and clean in any way they choose. Then you jumped on to me for not answering someone else's post. When someone has a very serious or life threating problem, I leave that to you and others to answer because you have the most soberity. ON the 12 I will have 100 days clean but I'm still new to the process and am trying my best to do everything I can do to stay sober. I apologize to you for being antagonistic with you. I want only peace on this board and will confine myself from now on to be only supportive.
What I would like to hear on this message board is more stories of recovery and what people are doing in their recovery to stay sober. It will help me and others.
Please accept my apology for any posts that have made you angry. I will try harder from now on. I just want us all to get along, and I apologize to Gina also.
Sharon
Sharon,
It's all good. I want nothing more than to get along also. I looked back at the posts and I don't see an attack on my part. But, maybe my opinion is viewed differently by others. I just try to share my experience. As far as August, I love and pray for him as I do everyone. My only comment wasn't that he needed meds. it was that he didn't need to post the amount in such detail. It was just my opinion nothing more, and I certainly was suprised when it turned into a dispute. But, thats over and now we move on. Yesterday, I reminded the moderator about the time change on the board and was insulted for no reason by painpill. I let it go and simply said , I love ya', keep coming back. I said nothing about drugs at all. So I don't know why he needed to say what he did, but, thats ok with me. I'll just let it go, no big deal.
I hope we can move on from here and get along.
Thankyou for your apology, I accept. Talk to ya' soon.
Take care...............................................God bless............................Bob
And, I apologize if I said anything to offend you, it sure wasn't my intention.
It's all good. I want nothing more than to get along also. I looked back at the posts and I don't see an attack on my part. But, maybe my opinion is viewed differently by others. I just try to share my experience. As far as August, I love and pray for him as I do everyone. My only comment wasn't that he needed meds. it was that he didn't need to post the amount in such detail. It was just my opinion nothing more, and I certainly was suprised when it turned into a dispute. But, thats over and now we move on. Yesterday, I reminded the moderator about the time change on the board and was insulted for no reason by painpill. I let it go and simply said , I love ya', keep coming back. I said nothing about drugs at all. So I don't know why he needed to say what he did, but, thats ok with me. I'll just let it go, no big deal.
I hope we can move on from here and get along.
Thankyou for your apology, I accept. Talk to ya' soon.
Take care...............................................God bless............................Bob
And, I apologize if I said anything to offend you, it sure wasn't my intention.
Sharon,
Also congradulations on your time. Thats great! I relapsed after two years. First,
I stopped making meetings, then I took my will back, then after about 5 months I picked up. I now truley believe meeting makers make it. I've admitted complete defeat and powerlessness and I truley surrendered. So, what I'm trying to say is, on the 12th God willing you'll have 100 days and I'll have on the 12th, God willing,
90 days! lmao.........*wink*
Take care.........................................God bless.................................Bob
And, a little later today, I'm going to a meeting with my dad and I get to give him his 25 year coin.................He's my hero!!....Have a great day Sharon.......
I do look foward to talkin' to ya'.........God bless...................................Bob
Also congradulations on your time. Thats great! I relapsed after two years. First,
I stopped making meetings, then I took my will back, then after about 5 months I picked up. I now truley believe meeting makers make it. I've admitted complete defeat and powerlessness and I truley surrendered. So, what I'm trying to say is, on the 12th God willing you'll have 100 days and I'll have on the 12th, God willing,
90 days! lmao.........*wink*
Take care.........................................God bless.................................Bob
And, a little later today, I'm going to a meeting with my dad and I get to give him his 25 year coin.................He's my hero!!....Have a great day Sharon.......
I do look foward to talkin' to ya'.........God bless...................................Bob
