I used on and off for about 2.5 years. That slip you made does count even if its for pain. So you have two months clean. Still good work though. I am riding on 6 plus weeks of being clean. Its an amazing feeling. It really is
You dont think its ever going to go away,. you will never feel :norma" again.
Guess what! It does dammit. You can do it. Man I went through a semester during the height of wds and made it. Plus I worked and made meetings
If anyone is using why not make a New Years Resolution-- stop the pain pills
Not sure what you mean Reddog...a slip for pain? If a person is medicating as prescribed by a dr, then I totally disagree. You don't lose your clean time.
Jagger was high way to long. Clean? I shower daily.
The past 4-5 months have been the best days in a long time. I have been sober on and off for as lot of days.
I have my own opinion on what is so called clean" it works for me.
But only recently do i really consider myself Happy--that's what my goal. Tired of depression.
You should be proud 4 months is awesome. Mike do not let ANYONE tell you you fell off the wagon because you need pain meds prescribed by a doctor fo a legitimate issue.
and if you took the meds as prescribed well anyone telling you you lose cleantime is uneducated.
Kim You bet your clean on sub. You said it--HAPPY--I am Happy. The sub is helping me keep my ability to work.
Kim dont let anyone tell you different--suboxone is a medicine for opiate addiction.
Its like a chemo for a cancer patient --why people seem to have issue with suboxone have never been addicted to 200mg of oxy -mixed with benzos alcohol and whatever else --and one little pill ended my hell. Just like that.
JMO about Sub. Will never understand why people feel the need to judge.
KIM I RATHER BE HAPPY THEN --"CLEAN"
By the way that picture is priceless
Jagger Have a happy holiday
Jeff
The past 4-5 months have been the best days in a long time. I have been sober on and off for as lot of days.
I have my own opinion on what is so called clean" it works for me.
But only recently do i really consider myself Happy--that's what my goal. Tired of depression.
You should be proud 4 months is awesome. Mike do not let ANYONE tell you you fell off the wagon because you need pain meds prescribed by a doctor fo a legitimate issue.
and if you took the meds as prescribed well anyone telling you you lose cleantime is uneducated.
Kim You bet your clean on sub. You said it--HAPPY--I am Happy. The sub is helping me keep my ability to work.
Kim dont let anyone tell you different--suboxone is a medicine for opiate addiction.
Its like a chemo for a cancer patient --why people seem to have issue with suboxone have never been addicted to 200mg of oxy -mixed with benzos alcohol and whatever else --and one little pill ended my hell. Just like that.
JMO about Sub. Will never understand why people feel the need to judge.
KIM I RATHER BE HAPPY THEN --"CLEAN"
By the way that picture is priceless
Jagger Have a happy holiday
Jeff
It makes absoleutley Zero sense to say that prescribed for pain counts as a relapse...slip...whatever you wanna call it. That assanine.
I'm hoping that Justin will come back to this thread and clarify his statement. I hope he just misunderstood what was being said.
Clean means not abusing. Clean means being accountable. Clean means no mood altering chemicals in our bodies unless prescribed by a physcian and adminstered by someone other than the addict.
Clean means not abusing. Clean means being accountable. Clean means no mood altering chemicals in our bodies unless prescribed by a physcian and adminstered by someone other than the addict.
Here I am
I have a question. Did that person tell their dr that they were an addict? I dont think soo. My ankle hurts too. I could find a dr and have vicodins prescribed but I dont! If you take an opiate you take an opiate. Sometime people here sugar coat way too much. Try saying some of these things in a meeting. It would not go well
Npw i dont want to be jumped here not at all. I am entitled to my opinion. There was a reason this person did not tell the prescribing dr they were an addict
Merry Christmas
I have a question. Did that person tell their dr that they were an addict? I dont think soo. My ankle hurts too. I could find a dr and have vicodins prescribed but I dont! If you take an opiate you take an opiate. Sometime people here sugar coat way too much. Try saying some of these things in a meeting. It would not go well
Npw i dont want to be jumped here not at all. I am entitled to my opinion. There was a reason this person did not tell the prescribing dr they were an addict
Merry Christmas
Reddog- I would say a person that uses it for legit pain and the doctor knows the addict history, then, no, they did not lose clean time or slip or relapse or whatever. Sometimes, unfortunately, people rationalize pain as a reason to take the drug when in fact the pain is not really that bad..as an example, Lisa had heart surgery..thats friggin painful, and I don't care how much of a superman you are, you need something to ease the pain. Same with chronic debilitaing pain. It comes down to quality of life. Now if the person is rationalizing, lying to themselves or hiding it from their doctor, I would say yes, they lose the time.
Merry Christmas Bull
I understand your point. I just think its risky for an addict to take an opiate thats all im saying.. and to not tell the dr they are an addict is even worse. He or she may not be as likely to prescribe a controlled substance then. Thats all. Clean time is clean time.
I understand your point. I just think its risky for an addict to take an opiate thats all im saying.. and to not tell the dr they are an addict is even worse. He or she may not be as likely to prescribe a controlled substance then. Thats all. Clean time is clean time.
RD- Walking out the door is risky too. It's what you do once you walk out that door that matters. I agree. Being honest with your doctors is essential, but then again, the whole thing is wrapped up in honesty.
Hello everyone. I passed 3 stones last night and I thought I would pass out or die. My kidney pain is just about gone. I have some groin pain but I can stand it. Hopefully those were the only 3 stones that I have. Tomorrow if I have no pain I'll tell my husband I don't need them anymore. Being clean felt alot better that being high. I reached a point and was done being a slave. I have been clean for 5 1/2 months. I have been taking Vicodin for 5 days so far. I will be done again.
Gina
Gina
I answered your other post. But to add to that "I know you'll be done again". I did. I have to get on Vicodin for the very same thing but for 2 weeks.
Take Care,
Mike
Take Care,
Mike
by the way................
its always best to stay humble.........in recovery....
and contine to learn and lift up those that are down...........
especially in the beginning.........
look to an elder in recovery...see how humble they are....
its from experience and wisdom...........
and slave to me your clean........
i am a nurse and i know how bad kidney stones hurt.........
especially passing thorugh the tubes.........
look at your thread, i posted some things that will expain why it is so painful....
ok.........my husband has been in the fellowship of AA for 16 years....
and were not talking a few months, a year...............SIXTEEN years
of making meetings........FAITHFULLY.
thats commitement.........to recovery , to being sober..........
one day i will have him join and tell his story , its very fasinating..........
he also quit smoking 6 years ago.....
i asked him how did you just quit......
he said..............just DON'T PICK IT UP........
dont pick it up........
very smart.
oh............yes.............i wrote all this because.....
my husband is prone to kidney stones.........
and last year.........he had a bad bad time.......
SALVE this is for you............so i will post this on your thread........
but i want to say............we must be humble.........
we must be thankful for the clean time we have........
you never know what life has in store for us........
we never know what we will be facing with our HEALTH......
we never know.........
its always best to stay humble.........in recovery....
and contine to learn and lift up those that are down...........
especially in the beginning.........
look to an elder in recovery...see how humble they are....
its from experience and wisdom...........
and slave to me your clean........
i am a nurse and i know how bad kidney stones hurt.........
especially passing thorugh the tubes.........
look at your thread, i posted some things that will expain why it is so painful....
ok.........my husband has been in the fellowship of AA for 16 years....
and were not talking a few months, a year...............SIXTEEN years
of making meetings........FAITHFULLY.
thats commitement.........to recovery , to being sober..........
one day i will have him join and tell his story , its very fasinating..........
he also quit smoking 6 years ago.....
i asked him how did you just quit......
he said..............just DON'T PICK IT UP........
dont pick it up........
very smart.
oh............yes.............i wrote all this because.....
my husband is prone to kidney stones.........
and last year.........he had a bad bad time.......
SALVE this is for you............so i will post this on your thread........
but i want to say............we must be humble.........
we must be thankful for the clean time we have........
you never know what life has in store for us........
we never know what we will be facing with our HEALTH......
we never know.........
I understand your point Reddog but the difference here is that one person did tell their dr, the other didn't. Being accountable means you don't lose your clean time....that's the teaching of NA as well. No, it's never a good idea for an addict to take pain meds, but there are some kinds of pain that if not dealt with with pain meds, you cannot heal correctly. The thing with heart surgery is that they want you to breathe deep. Can't do that when you're in tremendous pain. You set yourself up for all kinds of horrible things like pnemonia. Not good for healing.
Bottom line. Just be accountable and honest and you've got nothing to worry about.
Glad to hear that you're feeling better Gina. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that.
Bottom line. Just be accountable and honest and you've got nothing to worry about.
Glad to hear that you're feeling better Gina. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that.
You guys are right. You know im sorry if i appear blunt sometimes. I have to learn to be humble. Its just that the disease makes me a little angry.
I have no right to say who is in pain and who can take this or that. I just know I cant take an opiate. Sorry for the bitterness
Thanks for all the posts on the Christmas topic! I mean it
Red
I have no right to say who is in pain and who can take this or that. I just know I cant take an opiate. Sorry for the bitterness
Thanks for all the posts on the Christmas topic! I mean it
Red
I'm not opposed to the word "clean." I don't like it when people use the word "dirty" when referring to a urine/drug test.
An addict has the right to pain control, period. Nobody should have to suffer through real, severe pain. I'm not talking about little aches, but real pain. It is true that intense pain can affect blood pressure, breathing and many other things. If pain is not controlled, it can be detrimental to the recovery of the illness/trauma/surgery/whatever.
For example, Lisa should not risk the health of her heart. Her BP needs to be kept normal and she needs to be able to take those deep breaths in order to heal. Not so easy after open heart surgery. I doubt there is a person alive who could, or should, go through that with no meds. After all, if her heart doesn't heal or, God forbid, ceases to continue beating, she won't have to worry about addiction anymore, or anything else for that matter. BTW, I think you're doing great, Lisa. All precautions in place. You are 2+ years and going strong!
I have had at least a dozen occasions where I COULD have used pain pills for pain, since getting clean. But, I didn't need them and my family and my doctors know that it's not solely my decision anymore. Had I requested pain control, they would have told me to tough it out. Nothing I have been through has been THAT bad. The judge and jury (family and doctors) would have nixed that idea, so why bother? Not that I wanted to, but the old me would have taken full advantage.
An addict has the right to pain control, period. Nobody should have to suffer through real, severe pain. I'm not talking about little aches, but real pain. It is true that intense pain can affect blood pressure, breathing and many other things. If pain is not controlled, it can be detrimental to the recovery of the illness/trauma/surgery/whatever.
For example, Lisa should not risk the health of her heart. Her BP needs to be kept normal and she needs to be able to take those deep breaths in order to heal. Not so easy after open heart surgery. I doubt there is a person alive who could, or should, go through that with no meds. After all, if her heart doesn't heal or, God forbid, ceases to continue beating, she won't have to worry about addiction anymore, or anything else for that matter. BTW, I think you're doing great, Lisa. All precautions in place. You are 2+ years and going strong!
I have had at least a dozen occasions where I COULD have used pain pills for pain, since getting clean. But, I didn't need them and my family and my doctors know that it's not solely my decision anymore. Had I requested pain control, they would have told me to tough it out. Nothing I have been through has been THAT bad. The judge and jury (family and doctors) would have nixed that idea, so why bother? Not that I wanted to, but the old me would have taken full advantage.
Justin-It can be confusing.In your meeting it's stated over and over that" One is too many and a thousand not enough"."It's the first pill that gets us drunk"."Clean and sober means clean and sober".
All these things are true but there is also a chapter in the Basic Text that deals with medications.I don't have it with me but its in there and the AA big book.
It's easy to get bitter when you think you are having to do the deal and yet you see people you perceive as" cheating".
In some cases,they are and are in active relapse,but it's not always like that.
It's not always black and white.
I do not envy an addict who is going through bebilitating pain like passing kidney stones or heart surgery.Not only the pain issue but having to confront the medicine.There are some procedures that opiates are the only option.
I wouldn't want someone cutting me open with a "holistic anesthesia".
The big DIFFERENCE in these senarios is honesty.
Have you told your doctor?
Have you informed the person who is giving out your meds that you are an addict,that you cannot give me more even if I ask,and to keep them on you at all times?
When you are out of pain,throw them away.
Stay in touch with your sponsor two-three times a day.
Talk,talk,talk about it.
If we start holding back and not divulging information,we are in relapse mode.
Once that opiate...even 1 little ole Vicodin...gets in our bloodstream,our thinking
goes back to that primitive brain.If we don't have others around us that understand addiction,the conning.manipulative addict is awakened.
You can't do this alone or assume you can control your pain meds now if you are truly an addict.
Merry Christmas
All these things are true but there is also a chapter in the Basic Text that deals with medications.I don't have it with me but its in there and the AA big book.
It's easy to get bitter when you think you are having to do the deal and yet you see people you perceive as" cheating".
In some cases,they are and are in active relapse,but it's not always like that.
It's not always black and white.
I do not envy an addict who is going through bebilitating pain like passing kidney stones or heart surgery.Not only the pain issue but having to confront the medicine.There are some procedures that opiates are the only option.
I wouldn't want someone cutting me open with a "holistic anesthesia".
The big DIFFERENCE in these senarios is honesty.
Have you told your doctor?
Have you informed the person who is giving out your meds that you are an addict,that you cannot give me more even if I ask,and to keep them on you at all times?
When you are out of pain,throw them away.
Stay in touch with your sponsor two-three times a day.
Talk,talk,talk about it.
If we start holding back and not divulging information,we are in relapse mode.
Once that opiate...even 1 little ole Vicodin...gets in our bloodstream,our thinking
goes back to that primitive brain.If we don't have others around us that understand addiction,the conning.manipulative addict is awakened.
You can't do this alone or assume you can control your pain meds now if you are truly an addict.
Merry Christmas
Thank you Atlas...it's because of people like you and others on this board that keep me accountable and humble...Reddog, this thread has turned out so cool...I think it's ok to be blunt, but it's also ok to listen. I used to say that I could never ever take pain meds again. No way, no how. I sure changed my tune when I had a little breast cancer scare with some surgery over a year ago. And now with this heart surgery....there are just some things we can't control. So, don't ever say never. <eg> It'll bite you in the butt.
You're the best....Lisa
You're the best....Lisa
