It was working like a dream. Now I am having mood swings, dizzy episodes, periods of brief but severe fatigue. As I sit here I am fighting back tears. Yeah I have a couple of things going on in my life right now, but nothing major or new. Earlier, I was thinking I should have gone to methadone clinic instead of sub clinic. Why would I think that? Am I craving? I don't think so. I was at a friend's house yesterday. She claims to be clean (she thinks it's what I want to hear). I looked in her pill bottles and saw oxys. I had no desire to take them. All I thought was thank god I don't need these anymore. I put one down the drain and left the rest. I only put it down the drain to let her know in a subtle way that I know what she is up to. I think I'm gonna take trazadone and wait for sleep. I haven't even needed that yet--until tonight.
Is my dosage wrong, or is my body becoming tolerant and it is no longer working? I'm on 12 mg. per day. It has been one month clean today. I thought it was all going so well, and that everything would be okay. Now I'm a basket case. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Atlas, the sub has a long half life and is building up in your system. 12mg may be too high a dose right now. I lowered from 16mg to 4mg pretty quick and felt my best when I was on 4mg.
Try taking less and see how you feel. Do you split your dose? If you do try skipping the second dose.
What your describing sounds a lot like too high a dose.
good luck
JD
Try taking less and see how you feel. Do you split your dose? If you do try skipping the second dose.
What your describing sounds a lot like too high a dose.
good luck
JD
I take 4mg 3x's per day. It may be the addict in me, but I feel like I need a higher dose. Probably not. Maybe I should just toss them in the garbage and be done with it. I cut off all sources for pills so I should be fine. Who knows? I'm going to try to go to bed. Thanks for your advice.
The longer your on it, the less you need otherwise you'll feel like crap.
Id think twice about just stopping it at 12mg, your gonna have to wean down to a much lower dose before you can stop it.
JD
Id think twice about just stopping it at 12mg, your gonna have to wean down to a much lower dose before you can stop it.
JD
Atlas,
As i have posted to you about sub. a week ago when you didnt feel that great.I too got the same feeling after 2 months on sub.I would dose off in the evening daily in the chair for a quick little nap.I feel the same way.I change the time and amount i was takeing ///I have thought the same as you a few times.Like ive said before ive even used DOC while of suboxone.Its something i would tell anyone not to do.I does what it says it will do ...Its blocks it out and makes you really sleepy.I had craveing so bad and i fought them and still at times i still have them craveing ...I wish id been told if i ued on sub. yeah you want feel it but,the craveing for them will return.its so crazy and was a crazy thing for me to do.I talked with my doctor and even adviced him i had used and was craveing.he said take more sub. it would help with my craveings.I did for a few weeks then got back down to 4mgs.I was feeling the way you do when i used more sub. My doctor put me on one and a half tab. a day ,i have never taken this amount.I did relize the more i took the more i felt like chit and sleepy through the day.I couldnt keep my head up around 4pm in the evenings.This is just what i experianced and hope it helps.crystal
As i have posted to you about sub. a week ago when you didnt feel that great.I too got the same feeling after 2 months on sub.I would dose off in the evening daily in the chair for a quick little nap.I feel the same way.I change the time and amount i was takeing ///I have thought the same as you a few times.Like ive said before ive even used DOC while of suboxone.Its something i would tell anyone not to do.I does what it says it will do ...Its blocks it out and makes you really sleepy.I had craveing so bad and i fought them and still at times i still have them craveing ...I wish id been told if i ued on sub. yeah you want feel it but,the craveing for them will return.its so crazy and was a crazy thing for me to do.I talked with my doctor and even adviced him i had used and was craveing.he said take more sub. it would help with my craveings.I did for a few weeks then got back down to 4mgs.I was feeling the way you do when i used more sub. My doctor put me on one and a half tab. a day ,i have never taken this amount.I did relize the more i took the more i felt like chit and sleepy through the day.I couldnt keep my head up around 4pm in the evenings.This is just what i experianced and hope it helps.crystal
atlas,
Your dose is way too high
Sub is a wonderful med when used correctly
The biggest diff between Sub & other opiates is that you DO NOT build tolerance to it. In fact, usually the opposite - as you are now experiencing.
I suggest that you only take 4 mg in the am & 4 mg in the pm - skip the 3rd dose completely. I bet that you will start to feel much better - especially if you taper down below 8 mgs per day - try maybe 3 & 3 so you are at just 6 mgs for the day.
I have a ton of experience & knowlege about Sub - if you want to ask other ?'s, I'd be happy to help.....
Swizzle
Your dose is way too high
Sub is a wonderful med when used correctly
The biggest diff between Sub & other opiates is that you DO NOT build tolerance to it. In fact, usually the opposite - as you are now experiencing.
I suggest that you only take 4 mg in the am & 4 mg in the pm - skip the 3rd dose completely. I bet that you will start to feel much better - especially if you taper down below 8 mgs per day - try maybe 3 & 3 so you are at just 6 mgs for the day.
I have a ton of experience & knowlege about Sub - if you want to ask other ?'s, I'd be happy to help.....
Swizzle
Hey Atlas...I don't know much about the sub, but I do have a question. Why in the world would you even look in her pill bottles? Much less touch a pill? It's a red flag and all it served was to stress you out about someone else's problem. You got enough of your own right now. All you can do for her is give her information. That's all. She has to want it, just like you did.
Sounds like JD is giving you good advice. Please hang in there. You've come so far. Your message is sincere and honest. Your recovery is looking really good on you.
Cowgirl
Sounds like JD is giving you good advice. Please hang in there. You've come so far. Your message is sincere and honest. Your recovery is looking really good on you.
Cowgirl
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I'm going to try going down to 8mg. today and see if I feel better after a little while on that dose.
As for why I looked in the pill bottle... I care about this person. She's not my friend she's my sister. And she is about to go down hard. I just wanted to know. I know my hands had no business near her pills, but I guess it's like looking at a horrible car accident while driving by. You don't want to see, but you can't stop yourself from looking...and having nightmares about what you saw.
Swizzle, Are you still taking sub? If so, how much. If not, how much did you start out taking? How did you taper down?
Crystal, Are you saying that less sub is helping you more?
I think my Dr.'s theory is that he wants to make sure I have enough in my system to block out other opiates completely, in case I used. He also recommends using it for one year. His logic is that if you make it thru the first year, you have a higher % chance of making it for good. He said most relapse during the first year, after that you have better odds.
Thanks for taking the time for me. I feel good this morning, but I usually do in the morning.
Have a good day, Atlas
As for why I looked in the pill bottle... I care about this person. She's not my friend she's my sister. And she is about to go down hard. I just wanted to know. I know my hands had no business near her pills, but I guess it's like looking at a horrible car accident while driving by. You don't want to see, but you can't stop yourself from looking...and having nightmares about what you saw.
Swizzle, Are you still taking sub? If so, how much. If not, how much did you start out taking? How did you taper down?
Crystal, Are you saying that less sub is helping you more?
I think my Dr.'s theory is that he wants to make sure I have enough in my system to block out other opiates completely, in case I used. He also recommends using it for one year. His logic is that if you make it thru the first year, you have a higher % chance of making it for good. He said most relapse during the first year, after that you have better odds.
Thanks for taking the time for me. I feel good this morning, but I usually do in the morning.
Have a good day, Atlas
lisa...lol...man.. you took the words right out of my mouth.. I was thinking the exact same thing... great minds right?.... anyway.. just thought I would let you know...
atlas... what else are you doing for your recovery?... I mean what comes after the sub?... I dont know your plans or your story.... these are sort of retorical questions... just wondering.... be careful...
Teresa
atlas... what else are you doing for your recovery?... I mean what comes after the sub?... I dont know your plans or your story.... these are sort of retorical questions... just wondering.... be careful...
Teresa
Atlas,
I understand your feelings for your sister...I have a friend who says she had stopped taking pills, but when we went shopping one day last week, I noticed a bottle in her purse and talked to her about it...NOT that I was having any cravings.just a concern for her to be honest with herself and me....why say you have stopped when you haven't...no reason to lie about it, just talk about it....
So I totally understand.........good for you for being strong,....that is what has gotten us to where we are today!!!
hang in there........and god forbid.don't wish you had done a methadone clinic instead.....
I understand your feelings for your sister...I have a friend who says she had stopped taking pills, but when we went shopping one day last week, I noticed a bottle in her purse and talked to her about it...NOT that I was having any cravings.just a concern for her to be honest with herself and me....why say you have stopped when you haven't...no reason to lie about it, just talk about it....
So I totally understand.........good for you for being strong,....that is what has gotten us to where we are today!!!
hang in there........and god forbid.don't wish you had done a methadone clinic instead.....
Atlas
Yes,i do feel better on less ....I felt i didnt need anymore then the 8mgs in the beging.my doctor put me on 1 and a half tab a day.In his office i only had 4mgs and then that night 2 more mgs so first day i had 6mgs//
The next day i took 8mgs for a few days
and then i started feeling bad like you are.I went down to 6mgs
Then felt little better .Then it wasnt
long and i was down to 4mgs.i take 2mgs around 12pm and then 2mgs between 4 and 5 pm...I had told myself i wouldnt get right up haveing to take it.I have always felt ok to wait til 12 and really i could wait longer.Sometimes i do not take until 2pm.good luck ,,,hope today you feel better.crystal
Yes,i do feel better on less ....I felt i didnt need anymore then the 8mgs in the beging.my doctor put me on 1 and a half tab a day.In his office i only had 4mgs and then that night 2 more mgs so first day i had 6mgs//
The next day i took 8mgs for a few days
and then i started feeling bad like you are.I went down to 6mgs
Then felt little better .Then it wasnt
long and i was down to 4mgs.i take 2mgs around 12pm and then 2mgs between 4 and 5 pm...I had told myself i wouldnt get right up haveing to take it.I have always felt ok to wait til 12 and really i could wait longer.Sometimes i do not take until 2pm.good luck ,,,hope today you feel better.crystal
Atlas Not surewhy you were started at such a large dose. I started at 8mg and it took about 8 months to get off completly.
Just a suggestion but try taking 2mg 4X a day. You should be able to handle any W/D in between and eventually you will get used to 8mg. Then you can cut a mg a week until 4mg.then mg every 2 weeks till 2mg then .5 mg every 2 weeks until off.
Jeff
Just a suggestion but try taking 2mg 4X a day. You should be able to handle any W/D in between and eventually you will get used to 8mg. Then you can cut a mg a week until 4mg.then mg every 2 weeks till 2mg then .5 mg every 2 weeks until off.
Jeff
Hello Atlas,
It sounds like you have had some great advice already. It took me a few weeks to find a dose, and then lower it. I went from 8mg a day, to 16mg a day, then to 20mg a day, and now tapering to 8mg a day. I take it twice a day. I just wanted to remind you, you are within almost 30 days of being clean. If you ask me, the first 30 days can be the most difficult. Then we have "days" or "weeks". I hope you are getting support. But don't be hard on yourself. Your doing GREAT!!!!! Those 30 Day chips "passed out" at our meetings, are miracles ;o). One day at a time. Talk with your Dr., they should also have some advice. Take care, Best Wishes
It sounds like you have had some great advice already. It took me a few weeks to find a dose, and then lower it. I went from 8mg a day, to 16mg a day, then to 20mg a day, and now tapering to 8mg a day. I take it twice a day. I just wanted to remind you, you are within almost 30 days of being clean. If you ask me, the first 30 days can be the most difficult. Then we have "days" or "weeks". I hope you are getting support. But don't be hard on yourself. Your doing GREAT!!!!! Those 30 Day chips "passed out" at our meetings, are miracles ;o). One day at a time. Talk with your Dr., they should also have some advice. Take care, Best Wishes
Dear Atlas,
I was on sub for 2 months and tapered off. You have to remember that sub is great for wd and cravings but you still need more. Do you go to meetings, counsiling, any kind of support? Sub is only a tool to get you off your doc but to stay clean you need support. Best Wishes...Shel
I was on sub for 2 months and tapered off. You have to remember that sub is great for wd and cravings but you still need more. Do you go to meetings, counsiling, any kind of support? Sub is only a tool to get you off your doc but to stay clean you need support. Best Wishes...Shel
Atlas..I totally get that you want to help your sister. And family is a little different. I thought you said a friend.... still, stay as far away from pills as you can for right now. You're no where near strong enough to handle temptation like that. But you did the right thing and brought it to her attention.
I hope she gets some help, Addiction is rampant in my family as well. Have you asked her to come here maybe?
I hope she gets some help, Addiction is rampant in my family as well. Have you asked her to come here maybe?
Yes you may be on too much sub. The half life is sooo long. 38 hours is the median half life. I started at 16mgs and i mean jumped down the ladder,. I was off sub in 26 days. Now thats a miracle in itself
Thanks guys for everything
Thanks guys for everything
Dear Atlas,
from what I have been told by someone on them, and she thought they wer designed thatway...is that they make you feel bad at a higher dose and once you tper down then you feelbetter...then you will get used to that dose and feel bad so taper down again..i would suppose it would work as a guard AGAINST addiction to higher amnts....when my friend went to the smallest, she stayed on them for only 4 days then never took again. this was 4 years ago. She hasnt used or wanted to use those narcotics EVER AGAIN, tells evryone that will listen about her nightmare getting off of her DOC..She feels that the drug you are on was a miracle pill...thats what she called it...
Check with your Dr, andtell him you want to taper down.if you feel better then you know it works that way for you too..Isnt it nice to know your working DOWN for tolerance and not UP?????
Rooting for you
Ali
from what I have been told by someone on them, and she thought they wer designed thatway...is that they make you feel bad at a higher dose and once you tper down then you feelbetter...then you will get used to that dose and feel bad so taper down again..i would suppose it would work as a guard AGAINST addiction to higher amnts....when my friend went to the smallest, she stayed on them for only 4 days then never took again. this was 4 years ago. She hasnt used or wanted to use those narcotics EVER AGAIN, tells evryone that will listen about her nightmare getting off of her DOC..She feels that the drug you are on was a miracle pill...thats what she called it...
Check with your Dr, andtell him you want to taper down.if you feel better then you know it works that way for you too..Isnt it nice to know your working DOWN for tolerance and not UP?????
Rooting for you
Ali
