MY STORY, I HAVE BEEN TAKING PILLS FOR ABOUT 4 YRS NONSTOP AND MAYBE A TOTAL OF 20 DAYS WITHOUT PILLS. THATS HOW I MET THE WD'S DEVIL, I DONT WISH WD'S ON MY WORST ENEMY. I WAS TAKING VIKES PERCS OR OXYS WHATEVER I COULD GET. 60 TO 80 VKS OR PERCS A DAY, 10/325. WHEN I HAD OXYS I WOULD TAKE AT LEAST 600MGS A DAY, ENOUGH TO KILL A HORSE. I SPENT AT LEAST 5000 A MONTH, I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS SO I WAS ABLE TO AFFORD IT. I BASICALLY WORKED MY a** OF TO GET HIGH. THE LAST YR I WORKED TO RUN FROM THAT WD DEVIL. ANYWAYS I STARTED SUB 2 DAYS AGO AND I AM HAVING TO TAKE ABOUT 6 8/2MGS A DAY BUT I DID NOT EXPECT TO BE SO EASY. SO FAR, NO WDS AT ALL, I THINK SUB GIVES ME MORE ENERGY THAN ANY PILL DID. CAN SOMEONE WITH EXP LET ME NO WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE SO FAR ITS SEEMS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IF I COULD DO IT ANYONE CAN.ALL I THINK ABOUT IS WHAT THE HELL IM GOING TO DO WITH ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY ILL HAVE, BIG BALLER. I HAVE ABOUT 200 PERCS AND DONT CRAVE THEM AT ALL, THE ONLY REASON I NEVER QUIT WAS BECAUSE I WAS SCARED OF WDS, SO FAR I AM BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OTHER STORIES FROM YOU GUYS SO I CAN FEEL BETTER, THANK YOU ALL YOU GUYS SO MUCH, AND IF I COULD TAKE 100 PILLS A DAY AND STOP WITH SUB ANYONE CAN, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
How long do you plan to stay on sub? It has it's own set of rules and withdrawal....
I am so glad that you are able to get your life back..
I am so glad that you are able to get your life back..
DONT NO, THATS THE KINDA OF REPLIES I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, WHAT ARE THE NEGS, HOW LONG CAN I TAKE ANY AND ALL ADVICE ABOUT SUB IS APPRECIATED.,THANKS
Dawg-
First off so glad to hear you are kicking some a** lol
I have been on suboxone for 15 months now, When I was inducted into the program my intake was somewhere around 200mg's of oxy per day, Give or take depending on my supply.
8-10mg's per day was my starting dose. I too felt the intense energy you are speaking of during the first 4-5 days or so, and then eventually you will just feel "normal" Which is a great feeling, without having to take mouthfulls of pills.
I only intended on staying on the sub for about 6 months or so, but now like I said I am over a year into it. It does become a bit of a security blanket, and hard to let go of. I will say though I am thankful for it, as it has been more successful than any other treatment I have tried.
I will say that the shorter term the better though, that will make it all the easier to titrate down.
But...........I would suggest getting to the root of the problem as well while you are on the sub. That is what I am learning now, Why was I using in the first place?
In order to stay clean, I think one has to know that.
I am no expert, I have fallen off the sub wagon even a couple of times, but made it back........
Keep posting......
If you ever have any questions email anytime Javagirl1976@hotmail.com.
There are also many others here who have a wealth of knowledge when it comes to sub (J.D. Swizzle, Jeff )
Hugs.
First off so glad to hear you are kicking some a** lol
I have been on suboxone for 15 months now, When I was inducted into the program my intake was somewhere around 200mg's of oxy per day, Give or take depending on my supply.
8-10mg's per day was my starting dose. I too felt the intense energy you are speaking of during the first 4-5 days or so, and then eventually you will just feel "normal" Which is a great feeling, without having to take mouthfulls of pills.
I only intended on staying on the sub for about 6 months or so, but now like I said I am over a year into it. It does become a bit of a security blanket, and hard to let go of. I will say though I am thankful for it, as it has been more successful than any other treatment I have tried.
I will say that the shorter term the better though, that will make it all the easier to titrate down.
But...........I would suggest getting to the root of the problem as well while you are on the sub. That is what I am learning now, Why was I using in the first place?
In order to stay clean, I think one has to know that.
I am no expert, I have fallen off the sub wagon even a couple of times, but made it back........
Keep posting......
If you ever have any questions email anytime Javagirl1976@hotmail.com.
There are also many others here who have a wealth of knowledge when it comes to sub (J.D. Swizzle, Jeff )
Hugs.
I can only tell you what i have experienced and what i now feel about suboxone. i have been on 8mg of sub daily since july 10th, 06 and like you in the beginning i thought i had this addiction licked! it was sooo wonderful to not have to go thru those HORRIBLE withdrawals and for that i am so grateful. i highly recommend sub for any opiate user trying to get clean, BUT i think i made the mistake of being on it too long. side effects have been occuring lately...
sub is not a magic cure, it is a TOOL to help you to get clean and it has to be accompanied by a 12 step program, NA meetings, a sponsor, working the steps, seeing your sub doctor and seeing a therapist for which i do all of the above.
side effects for me: TERRIBLE TERRIBLE constipation for which i am so sick from now, my digestive system is not right and i am becoming sick now, its time for me to start the taper. all i do is take laxatives and thats not good.
sub makes me sooo sleepy, i cant stay awake when i need to like reading and being on the computer. so keep this in mind and dont be on too long good luck jewels
sub is not a magic cure, it is a TOOL to help you to get clean and it has to be accompanied by a 12 step program, NA meetings, a sponsor, working the steps, seeing your sub doctor and seeing a therapist for which i do all of the above.
side effects for me: TERRIBLE TERRIBLE constipation for which i am so sick from now, my digestive system is not right and i am becoming sick now, its time for me to start the taper. all i do is take laxatives and thats not good.
sub makes me sooo sleepy, i cant stay awake when i need to like reading and being on the computer. so keep this in mind and dont be on too long good luck jewels
Jewels-I am so proud of you for coming to that decision.Let us know how we can help.
Dawg-There are no shortcuts.If sub seems too good to be true.....it's because it is.You have to come off someday and as you will read many people have a really bad time coming off and regret getting on it.
Read the Suboxone forum.There are many stories on there that are not so warm and fuzzy.
Regardless of a tool you use to avoid w/d's there will come a time when the psychological and spiritual reasons you are an addict have to be addressed.There is no way to avoid it.Drugs were only a symptom.Real change occurs when real change occurs.
If you get involved with a 12th step program and get a sponsor you can get started on some of the changes that need to happen.
Good Luck
Dawg-There are no shortcuts.If sub seems too good to be true.....it's because it is.You have to come off someday and as you will read many people have a really bad time coming off and regret getting on it.
Read the Suboxone forum.There are many stories on there that are not so warm and fuzzy.
Regardless of a tool you use to avoid w/d's there will come a time when the psychological and spiritual reasons you are an addict have to be addressed.There is no way to avoid it.Drugs were only a symptom.Real change occurs when real change occurs.
If you get involved with a 12th step program and get a sponsor you can get started on some of the changes that need to happen.
Good Luck
Tim is right. It is easy for us addicts to get caught up in the hype that a pill like Suboxone can help us stay clean. It does to some degree, but the downside is that it too is an opiate. One that has it's own issues. Now that being said, There are many out there that have tapered down to realistic levels and eventually become non-dependent on sub. Evidently it isn't easy....but it can be done. I have a buddy taking one pill a day from 8 so he's come a long way in his tapering from sub. He has no constipation or ill effects. Pretty normal guy now. Wasn't so normal when he was using smack. so, there is value in the sub, I think, but must be regulated and not taken like WE addicts like to do.
Sure is nice to see you post Bikeman...you always have such good things to say.
Hi Cowgirl,
Been on the road so long I forgot about this board. It's good to come back and see all who are fighting the good fight. Being busy doesn't give you much time to think about using so that's a good thang....however, as you know, my work environment isn't always easy for staying sober.
Been on the road so long I forgot about this board. It's good to come back and see all who are fighting the good fight. Being busy doesn't give you much time to think about using so that's a good thang....however, as you know, my work environment isn't always easy for staying sober.
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEAL WITH THERE PROBLEMS BUT I NO ONE THING I QUIT BECAUSE I HATED IT I DID NOT LIKE ANYMORE AND I NO ONE THING I HAVE A FEW 100 PERCS IN MY CLOSET AND I DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, I HAVE NO CRAVING AT ALL. I AM INSPIRED BY MONEY, I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH I CAN SAVE IN A YEARS TIME WITHOUT THIS PILLS. WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT THE LAST YEAR ALL I DID WAS WASTE MONEY, IT WASNT FUN NO MORE. I HAVENT HAD THAT HIGH FEELING FOR A LONG TIME. I USED TO FUNCTION, THE SAME WAY SOMEONE TAKES A PILL FOR A HEADACHE, I USED TO FEEL NORMAL AND THATS THE SAME WAY I FEEL ON SUB. IF I CAN BE NORMAL ON SUB, WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH TAKING FOREVER, IT IS NOT AS HARMFUL TO MY BODY AS THE OTHER STUFF WAS, THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLIES BUT FOR NOW JUST LET ME ENJOY THAT I THINK IM BETTER AND ILL ADDRESS WHATEVER ISSUES YOU SAY I HAVE TO FACE IN A FEW WEEKS, IM PROUD OF MY SELF AND IM NOT THINKING OF NONE OF THE OTHER BS YET, IM NOT HIDING IT EIITHER BUT JUST LET ME ENJOY FOR A FEW DAYS, IVE ONLY BEEN CLEAN FROM A 100 PERCS A DAY HABIT FOR 3 DAYS, THANKS
Hey Dawg!
Welcome to your new journey! Sub will help...but its not the be all and end all! You must must must find a good program to help you deal with the spiritual side of addiction!
Its a soul killer! Until you deal with that...in my opinion its just a band aid. The time will come when you will want to be off of it too. I speak from experience. The first few months are pure joy that you are not living in active addiction and chasing pills. Your brain heals...then your heart hurts....so you need to have something in place to deal with that.
I am 4 months on suboxone and clean from a very large habit of 5 years. It caused such wreckage and destruction but I am blessed in that the Doctor that is treating me would not touch me unless and until I attended AA/NA.
I bocked at first...now I know it was in the cards for without it I would be lost. Just abstaining...not recovering...big difference.
Stick around and good luck! Look forward to hearing more of your story!
Welcome to your new journey! Sub will help...but its not the be all and end all! You must must must find a good program to help you deal with the spiritual side of addiction!
Its a soul killer! Until you deal with that...in my opinion its just a band aid. The time will come when you will want to be off of it too. I speak from experience. The first few months are pure joy that you are not living in active addiction and chasing pills. Your brain heals...then your heart hurts....so you need to have something in place to deal with that.
I am 4 months on suboxone and clean from a very large habit of 5 years. It caused such wreckage and destruction but I am blessed in that the Doctor that is treating me would not touch me unless and until I attended AA/NA.
I bocked at first...now I know it was in the cards for without it I would be lost. Just abstaining...not recovering...big difference.
Stick around and good luck! Look forward to hearing more of your story!
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Uh....if Sub has been such a godsend for you, why do you still have a few hundred percs in your closet, unless you deal them? One would think they would be flushed down the toilet....One would think.
Sub the rest of your life? Why not? But what other changes have you been making besides being inspired by money? I am not enamored on the purely chemical solution to recovery.
As I said, what's up with all the percs still around?
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I HAVE A FEW 100 PERCS IN MY CLOSET AND I DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, I HAVE NO CRAVING AT ALL. |
Uh....if Sub has been such a godsend for you, why do you still have a few hundred percs in your closet, unless you deal them? One would think they would be flushed down the toilet....One would think.
Sub the rest of your life? Why not? But what other changes have you been making besides being inspired by money? I am not enamored on the purely chemical solution to recovery.
As I said, what's up with all the percs still around?
