Here is a link to another program other than the 12 steps. I know a few guys in it. Great people and great serenity. The steps are not the only program out there, personaly I think whatever works is great. But somthing HAS to WORK or we die. You dont get and understand that I empathise with you and WANT to help. Thats what keeps me clean. I went to detox in the inner city of Minneapolis. NASTY. I did it because I care Ali.
http://healthrealize.com/
Here is another form of recovery, There is a book for sale on this site on this program. Just click on the blue for both. I know a man in this program as well. Its very spiritual and he loves it. He had a problem with "labels" just as you do. He didnt like the suggestions the 12 steps gave and never tried them.
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Wiley...0471442615.html
I think your assumption of me saying my way is the only way is un-founded and mis-nomer in your own mind. If it makes you feel better about some things I have said, I do not mind if you think that. These are two great programs from the representation I have seen from the people in them. Either way dont deny yourself the friendships you can develop in these programs.
So...I HAVE to ask what...NO Im NOT gay! Ummmm EEEEERRRR What ahhh...well what kind of skin products does a high society gal like you use? LMAO its a totally serious question. Im wondering what kind-a-stuff you get in the B.C..
Check those links out Ali, Its somthing to grab onto even if you are not yet tired of your addiction.
Mr. Dover
Skin products??
Where did THAT come from Ben?
From my thread about my best friend tammy dying from a Soma overdose?
Because she wanted to stay home and use my wrinkle creams???
Well..no...matter luv...I'll bite...
My absolutely favourite cream and if you go through duty free and buy some for me I'll love-ya-forever cream...Is Skin caviar by la Prairie...
Yon-Ka makes some great face wshes as well....If your prone to blemishes...only one way to go..Pro-Active...will clear you right up Ben..lololo
I will definately check out the links you showed me....appreciate the time it must have taken to find them...
Now be good and run and make some ammends....lolol
Oh yeah....I agree..the friendships forged in any program is a beautiful thing...and the chatroom over at your other site??? Like a room of love and beauty.............Never felt like that without actually BEING somewhere..lolol
Hugs to you Ben
Ali
Where did THAT come from Ben?
From my thread about my best friend tammy dying from a Soma overdose?
Because she wanted to stay home and use my wrinkle creams???
Well..no...matter luv...I'll bite...
My absolutely favourite cream and if you go through duty free and buy some for me I'll love-ya-forever cream...Is Skin caviar by la Prairie...
Yon-Ka makes some great face wshes as well....If your prone to blemishes...only one way to go..Pro-Active...will clear you right up Ben..lololo
I will definately check out the links you showed me....appreciate the time it must have taken to find them...
Now be good and run and make some ammends....lolol
Oh yeah....I agree..the friendships forged in any program is a beautiful thing...and the chatroom over at your other site??? Like a room of love and beauty.............Never felt like that without actually BEING somewhere..lolol
Hugs to you Ben
Ali
Skin caviar by la Prairie Damn and I b**** when Oil of Olay isn't on sale.. LOL
$500.00 for a jar of face lotion?
$500.00 for a jar of face lotion?
oh girlfriend you have GOT TO come to the states and get some professional or pharmacuetical products! They are to DIE for. I thought you were going to woo me with some great stuff! Your skin looks really clear though with what you are using! It crossed my mind while I was typing and looking at your face lol. I AM NOT GAY, Allthough I have some feminine habits. I studied with my Fiance for a year while she was going to Esthetician school.
The love cannot be denied in any fellowship.
Hugs,
Ben
The love cannot be denied in any fellowship.
Hugs,
Ben
Brooke,
LOLOL You know your skin creams girl...i know its OUTRAGEOUS...thats why i only get it in duty free...and even then..its a Luxury....
I used to treat myself a lot more..have found it harder and harder to justify outrageous prices as ive grown up and matured....
But GOD...that La Prairie caviar smells soooogood doesnt it????lolol
And it works too......
Will try the oil of olay....lolol
Hugs,
Ali
LOLOL You know your skin creams girl...i know its OUTRAGEOUS...thats why i only get it in duty free...and even then..its a Luxury....
I used to treat myself a lot more..have found it harder and harder to justify outrageous prices as ive grown up and matured....
But GOD...that La Prairie caviar smells soooogood doesnt it????lolol
And it works too......
Will try the oil of olay....lolol
Hugs,
Ali
Oh I wouldn't know Ali, I was looking it up and saw the price for I am always looking for good skin care, but not for 500. bucks.
And if you are used to 500. buck a jar lotions and such, I don't think you will be too impressed with Oil of Olay.
You pay for the label on that stuff. Its a department store Brand but that stuff does smell GREAT and Im a dude. I think I could actually sniff that all day even though Im in recovery. Is that a relapse? Snorting skin firming creme!
Gonna go sniff,
Ben
Gonna go sniff,
Ben
Brooke,
Oh...thought maybe you bought it once...i know its so crazy...my mom has the best skin in the world, and during my travels I used to always bring her back the most incredbly expensive creams...lolo.. I was quite yound and naive and thought that the most expensive MUST work better..lol...anyway her skin has always looked so good..she looks 20 years younger than she is ( mind you never smoked or drank..always exersiced....)
Anyway one day Im over at Mom and Dads and I had to get some nail clippers from her bathroom..what do I find?????
All the bottles of skin care Id boughten for her over the last year or two...lolol
She blushed and said..."Oh sorry sweetheart..I love my Nivea" lololol
Nivea....your simple drug store brand nivea....but it WORKS and to this day when i smell it I think of my Mom....
Hugs to you Brooke ( I LOVE your name!!!!!)
Ali
Oh...thought maybe you bought it once...i know its so crazy...my mom has the best skin in the world, and during my travels I used to always bring her back the most incredbly expensive creams...lolo.. I was quite yound and naive and thought that the most expensive MUST work better..lol...anyway her skin has always looked so good..she looks 20 years younger than she is ( mind you never smoked or drank..always exersiced....)
Anyway one day Im over at Mom and Dads and I had to get some nail clippers from her bathroom..what do I find?????
All the bottles of skin care Id boughten for her over the last year or two...lolol
She blushed and said..."Oh sorry sweetheart..I love my Nivea" lololol
Nivea....your simple drug store brand nivea....but it WORKS and to this day when i smell it I think of my Mom....
Hugs to you Brooke ( I LOVE your name!!!!!)
Ali
Hello, fell in love with ya'lls topics, I am on the "h" bpard alot, Im julie, can I get the link Our "NOT gay" friend has that is so great, I love going to boards like this, alot of catiness, but us mature "peeps" overlook a heeluva lot, dont we??? By the way, I like Clinique the face wash bar that comes in that cool little holder, it slides out or like a drawer, also, there is a face syrum, I THINK oil of olay makes, it, I am not sure, but it is clear syrum, like almost surrupy, without the stickyness, the best face masks I have ever ever had are those fruit ones, the gel ones, that just peel off, you feel like youv had a face lift, I use lubriderm for sens. skin on my feet legs, face, everywhere at night neck too, before bed....give me the link please!!!!julie
No, not gay really. Im not. Which link? The ones I was reffering to are at the begining of this post.
Ali,
send me on that ski trip and Ill hook you up with chem peels from Glymed, Phytomere, Bio-elements, Skin Ceuticals, you name it! I can get ya there masks (all varietys) toners, astringents cremes. Just one Ski trip! LMAO, Seriously....Ill be waiting for my tickets.
Ben
Ali,
send me on that ski trip and Ill hook you up with chem peels from Glymed, Phytomere, Bio-elements, Skin Ceuticals, you name it! I can get ya there masks (all varietys) toners, astringents cremes. Just one Ski trip! LMAO, Seriously....Ill be waiting for my tickets.
Ben
Ben
You like skiing..really?If you come to my town, i can hook you up with ski tickets for Big White AND comp your hotel..Hows that?? Know a few great places you can stay for free in Whistler too.....lolol
Love that you like to smell the skin creams...
Ben Ive been thinking about what you said...that im actually a JUNKIE.
Wouldnt I have to shoot or crush and sniff my drugs to be that??I actually didnt even know that people chew pills till I read it here..lol but I havent ever crushed or melted my drug..
Doesnt matter i guess...right now im addicted and in the fight of my life to get off of the stupid pain pillls.
Funny that some today have stated that 25-30 is so huge...i think it is too but have heard some horror stories of 100 a day habits since ive been on line..
Guess its all relative isnt it??
Have saved your links and will read up on them
thanks again for sending them..
if you decide to come to our neck of the woods..Ill do my best and hook you up with those ski passes etc...
Hugs
Ali
You like skiing..really?If you come to my town, i can hook you up with ski tickets for Big White AND comp your hotel..Hows that?? Know a few great places you can stay for free in Whistler too.....lolol
Love that you like to smell the skin creams...
Ben Ive been thinking about what you said...that im actually a JUNKIE.
Wouldnt I have to shoot or crush and sniff my drugs to be that??I actually didnt even know that people chew pills till I read it here..lol but I havent ever crushed or melted my drug..
Doesnt matter i guess...right now im addicted and in the fight of my life to get off of the stupid pain pillls.
Funny that some today have stated that 25-30 is so huge...i think it is too but have heard some horror stories of 100 a day habits since ive been on line..
Guess its all relative isnt it??
Have saved your links and will read up on them
thanks again for sending them..
if you decide to come to our neck of the woods..Ill do my best and hook you up with those ski passes etc...
Hugs
Ali
Hey JulieBell
Didnt mean to ignore you..lolol
you know what..i love thatbar too...and the way it smells..even love the look of the Clinique counter...lolol
thanks for the post and hope you are doing well!
Hugs
Ali
Didnt mean to ignore you..lolol
you know what..i love thatbar too...and the way it smells..even love the look of the Clinique counter...lolol
thanks for the post and hope you are doing well!
Hugs
Ali