Lisa

I hope this anger and silliness can now go away - no personality contest - just people trying to help others in the way that helped them. I want e'one who comes to read about recovery, not drama - soap opera stuff on the board. Email if anyone wants to say anything that they think needs to be said off the board.

I hope that most feel this way. That is the board that I joined on 5/31 and changed my life - for the better. I only have 4 1/2 months of clean time but I am so proud of those 4 1/2 months. I do wonder sometime b/c I haven't had any cravings and I read where others on the board do so that still scares me. For the ones who have a lot of clean time, do you know if the craving have to be there? I still hate those pills.

I'm just living one day clean one day at a time.
Pls to all, this is a recovery board that has helped so many, let's not take it away now from the newcomers who need it as much as we did when we first came. I still need it, too so I am happy to be here.

Love, Jean
My emails were all nice, not nasty - I know people will believe what they want. I was trying to help CG a swell as others.
I received 10 emails that I received - copied only for me if I need them - they are not so nice, but I kept trying 'til I saw it was a lost cause. When CG told me she had sent emails to e'one, I thought in my defence, I should send to the emails addresses I have. The one where she really lost it.

CG, you have these emails - if you want to keep this silly stuff going, send to all - I told you that I'm sure you have more email address than I do b/c you have been here a lot longer.
I am not ashamed nor do I feel bad about anything I said.
Like I said, I just emailed you thinking you may have a problem that would help if you wanted to post - the board is very helpful during problems - I know that from my experience - and I wanted you to know that I had noticed a change in you and I hope that it was was due to problems but I was also concered about people leaving the board if too much tough love is given.

So, send emails or not. I was only nice, trying to help, and trying to u'stand whatever your problem is (if you even have one) but I know I can't help everyone.

Really care,
Jean


Jean:

When we start putting conditions on the way people post, we are going to get a reaction. Nobody wants to be told how to post, what to say and what tone to use. You seem to be obsessed with Cowgirl and prior to her, Janet. Put your focus back on yourself. You are only responsible for yourself.

Rachel
Gina Socmom,

Can you post your thread again? It was one of the best I have seen. Made a ton of sense. |More than sense it was the awakening truth. Or at least post where it can be found again.

Thanks


Dear Rachel:

I was so wrong with Janet. I have said that a lot of times. Something she said that day clicked with me and I took it another way - no fault of hers - and I did say horrible things - I was banned and I apologized, Janet accepted my apology and I thought that was in the past until yesterday. I felt if Janet forgave me, I should forgive myself. It was trying to be used against me yesteday but to me - that's past - I feel bad about losing my temper with Janet, I just usually don't do that but I was forgiven. It shouldn't be used against me when someone gets mad at me.

I didn't tell CG how to post. I was concened about the change in some of her post and thought she may want to talk about on email and not post to board. I would have never taken this to the board. I know now if she has some problems - as I say, she may not, she does not want anyone to know.
I said only nice things to her - like I said - she can send you all emails.

I think the Mods want this to die - so this is the last comment for me. I can't apologize for something I didn't do.

Said with care and trying so hard to u'stand e'ones side - not just my way,
Jean
Jean, what should be expected when it's not only ONE email, but a bunch in succession? Make a point once, and drop it. Being obsessed is part of addiction.


Jean:

Re-read your e-mails and look at your part in it. That's the only thing I can suggest. What were your motives? What is your agenda? Initially, were you not asking her to change the way she posts? What business is that of yours? Twelve e-mails in two hours is a bit obsessed, wouldn't you agree?

RAchel
I really hope you both get past this. Im just grateful i didnt start it! Maybe you both could just start this day over and make a new choice on how you want this day to be... :)
Gossip is poison. For both parties sending all these emails to their friends for validation does nobody any good. It can only get worse, not better. The gossiper speaks in Syria and kills in Rome. So sorry to send this thread, it's not with anger, I just want y'all back to normal. This whole thing is venomous and detrimental on many fronts. It's the weekend, relax and hang with the family.
amen Flipperbaby!!


let's all play nice
Jean...In every email I responded to, I asked you to leave me alone. I'll say it again. If you don't like me or my way of posting, don't read it. It's not up to you what anyone says on this board. I don't need a mother, I already have the best one available. I don't need a friend, I like to choose my own. If you want to send those emails to your friends, that's your business, but you might want to send them all so that they see the truth of the situation not just your distorted view of it. You really need to focus on your own recovery. This can't feel good to you. Why not try getting out of you pj's and going for a walk. How about volunteer work at a nursing home or hospital? You would be really good with old people.

I've been here a long time and need this board for my own recovery. People like you take the fun and focus out of it.


Cowgirl
CG:

Not playing your games anymore. I have 10 nasty emails (you have lots of those words) from you that I copied for my purposes if needed to keep me on the board. You have 10 emails from me. I was just trying to find out if you wanted to talk about why you were so angry as a friend and only if you wanted to discuss it. You went into attack mode. I really wanted to help.
Mine were nice and I was concerned, my interest was the change in you.
I have said - send them all to everyone if you want, I did nothing wrong but tried to help a friend - I thought we were friends. You said in one email that you had already sent to Mods and all on board. That's when I felt I was defending myself and I sent out one email - the others are similair.

I wish you only the best in your recovery.
You told me to stop posting to you and emailing you. I did as you asked. Now you are posting to me as soon as you get home. Pls let this recovery board continue to be as it was, let this silliness die - it is not about recovery.

Best of luck to you, but pls stop posting to me and emailing me.
I am in a wonderful mood tonight and you will not upset me.
Jean
I haven't emailed you...are you seeing things now?

And you posted on my thread. I posted back. You're view of things are very scewed.

If you push, I'll push back.

For those who think that Lisa had an easy recovery and did not fail many times..........please.........She had just as rough a time as anybody here in getting clean and sober. Lisa only passes the message and method that has worked for her. I have known her since the beginning. She got p/o at me once for giving her the same message that she is trying to spread now. She tried to work her own program and finally realized that her's just did not work. Lisa is honest and straight forward and is passionate about recovery....otherwise she would not continue to be on this board and leave her email up for others to get in touch with her. I love and respect her as much as any on here. I know that a little honey with the message would not hurt........but it is Lisa's style.
I know that she does not need my defense, she is her own person, but she is a friend of mine and has never let me down.

This message is not to put anyone else down. I applaud everyone's style of recovery and respect each and everyone of you. We all have something to offer on this board. If one way does not work another one may...........so keep posting your hope and inspiration.

Respectfully,

Sharon
To the Moderators and Sharon:

I, or anyone on this board shouldn't have to pay b/c CG had a hard recovery.
I am sorry that she did but none of us had it easy and we don't feel the need to blast people. I have learned that tough love worked for a lot of people but not all.

CG has gone beyond that and has threatened me - on emails and now tonight on the board. That should not be allowed.

She just told me if I push, she will push back. What does she mean?
I don't push, I have left her alone.
I am trying so hard to forget I ever tried to help her with her problems/anger.
She will not let this go.

Now she wants to fight me.
I am not a fighter. If you know me at all, I speak my mind, tell the truth, just in a not so tough way. Is that why she is ambushing me. I have 10 emails now from her with threats, even wanting to fight and giving me lots of warnings. I don't even know where she lives.
I am far from a tomboy, have never been in a fight in my life and I don't care to start now at my age.

Cowgirl can just push me, I am not a pusher.
To me, that is for little boys on the playground.

I hope and pray she gets back to the person who helps everyone.
I want her to stop threatening me on post as well as emails.

Mods, would you pls have her leave me alone, I know you have control over the board and not emails but I have now blocked her email address.

I did not post to her - she posted to me at the top of this page
I didn't know that this was her thread only. I posted to someone on this thread. That person and I posted to each other several times earlier today.
I thought we could post on any thread.
Is this CG's thread only?

Pls just somehow try and have her leave me alone.
I should not be threatened on a recovery board.

I didn't know she was out most of the day, just that the board ran so smoothly, then as soon as she comes home, she starts on me again. Someone says that she baits people and tries to make them blow so they will be banned. I am not angry and do not plan on blowing. I want the Moderators to try and handle this.

Thank you Sharon for trying to help - you just haven't received and read what I have had to endure. I have copies but CG told me she sent them all out out yesterday. I just don't know what she sent out. I did forward one b/c she had told me she had forwarded to e'one and I wanted e'one to see what I was having to read.
I think it would fuel the fire to send out more as CG keeps telling me to do.

Please Moderators, I need help. This is a recovery board and I have had a good day of posting to a lot of new people and to those I already know. I don't think she's a bad person, I just want her to leave me alone. She has told me that I started it and she will finish it by having me banned for good. I have done nothing to be banned at all.

From: Jean - blink17172@cs.com
Jean I am not really sure totally what is going on here.. But what makes you think that Lisa has a problem, and is angry, is it because of the post she made to Deidre? Well if that is what you are going by, I personally did not take it that she was mad she was just telling it like it is... Yes some of us needs tough love and some of us need a softer touch so what I have always tried to live by is take what you need and leave the rest.. If I read a post and I think it is alittle harsh or if I dont like what they say I just let it go.. I may think about it and later see the truth iin it ... We are all different except for one thing we are all addicts and we have people on here that need that tough love to get it going and we have people on here that do not do well with it.. To me it all adds to the mix.. I do know that Lisa has help me alot she is one of the reason I am going to aa.. Like I said I am not sure why you think she has a problem or has anger but even if she does why did you take it on yourself to email her all those times whey did you just not wait and see if she contacted you and asked for your help.. Like I said I do not see that she has changed in her posting but I do see the change in your posting.... I do not mean this in a mean way it it just MHO. I think it is time to let this go and get on with the reason we are here...for recovery.. Love Paula
Also I was wondering Jean if you had been off the board all day and came back and read the post that you were posting about Lisa would you not feel compelled to answer them it seems to me that you feel like it is ok for you to keep this going and going and going but not ok for her to defend herself and I did not get that she wanted to fight you, I mean really you guys do not even live in the same state.. all I got from her comment that if she is pushed she pushes back is that she will not sit there and take any crap.. Like I said before I think it is time for all this to be dropped, Let it go....
Dear Paula:

I have read her (mean is the only word) postings to 2 others not counting Deirdre even though I know Deirdre had problems, most addicts do, and we addicts lie while we are using, and some are still using even now on the board and we welcome them and we are nice to them which I think is a good thing. These were not tough love postings she made, they were mean. She knew who she was posting to - one who would just shut down and the other who almost quit. I just want to keep them here long enough to listen and then we may have a chance to help them. One who is still using has been on the board for quite a while - I posted to him/her today and gave some options that I hope may help.

I am gving no names except Deirdre b/c you aked if Deirdre was involved. She just didn't want to post her bad problems on the board. She told me that she wanted to discuss her drug problem so if she took a drug, she told me she was very honest about it on the board.
She did get in trouble for telling about it. That's why I don't u'stand how someone who has been around a while can still be using and accepted and she wasn't - even though I really want to keep that other person, too - they are serious about wanting to be sober. I love to hear that.

Cowgirl and I have been friends, posting to each other and talking about dogs b/c we are both dog lovers. I was one of her biggest cheerleaders for Sydney to win the cutest dog contest.
So, I thought I could write as a friend and ask if anything was going on that she didn't feel comfortable discussing on the board, that I was a good listener. Then just lots of emails followed. I read lots of "words" I did email her back everytime b/c I was saying maybe you are angry and you need to talk with someone but not me when she really went off. People don't do that unless something is behind it.

I gave up when the language got so bad.
I am not the only one noticing this. I have gotten 2 emails saying the same thing. They know her better than I do and CG didn't get as "upset" she just doesn't have anything to do with them anymore and they were more of a friend to her than I have had time to be. I know I'm still new - May 31st. I just should not treated this way. I really thought I could help. I told her how with all of the problems I'd had since stopping the Lortabs, my Mother had died, one of my brothers has had 3 heart attacks and surgery b/c too much scarring for Angioplasty, and they are still testing my oldest brother, something is wrong, but the doctors can't find it. Then, this week, the doctors were saying that my 56 cousin could go at anytime (some infection) and then tonight - a miracle, he woke up from his coma and they think everything is going to be fine.

Also, I post when in bad pain and the responses make me feel better - they can't help my pain, but do put me in a better mood knowing the board cares.
That's why I can't sleep. My aunt who is in Fla asked me to call the family here in Greenville. So, it's been a wonderful day and then as soon as CG got home - she posted to me about pushing her - what's going on???

I am now noticing that since I learned someone has already brought this to her attention, she is really sweet to some and the opposite to others. I did not know at the time that someone had called it to her attention already. If that person didn't have any luck, I would have known the re-action to expect and I would have never emailed her. If she didn't listen to the other person, I would have known I didn't have a chance.

I went over all of my family medical problems and told her how much the board had helped me and others had told me they could not have made it during the bad times without the support of the board. I had said right after I quit that either I was being tested or the devil was chasing me. I was trying to relate in case all of the anger I was getting yesterday was coming from s'thing that the board could help. I don't know what's wrong with her but I am not the only one who is noticing it. She is very popular on the board b/c she has helped so many people but now it's like there's 2 of her and I didn't know which I would be reading from. Some emails said I was justifying my using drugs and that I was high is why I was writing to her.
I am very proud of my 4 1/2 months, that cannot be taken away from me b/c it has not been easy for me, it's not easy for anyone. I worked hard. That hurt but I said nothing to her about it.

So, that's why I and others feel that way. I do think that others are not coming out and saying anything (now they won't for sure) but they feel they will be ostrasized.she can also be very intimidating to newcomers.

Do you really think her post to me was okay by talking about pushing each other and that's nothing compared to the emails. I really stayed cool, it wasn't easy during the emails but I did. Do you honestly think she was right in saying what she did to me tonight as soon as she got home after telling me not to post and email her - she posted and emailed me. It's like she's obsessed by this and I don't know why. I am honestly to the point of just wanting the Mods to make her leave me alone on the board. I have now blocked her email address.

For her to be posting this on the board, I feel she is getting desparate or she may do something - I dont know what b/c she has threatened so much.

Well, that's her anger that I have take about - just read the last couple of weeks post to e'one if you have the time. There are more of those kind of postings I'm sure, I just don't have the time to read everything.I ant to spend my time on the board posting to the ones I think I may be able to offer something.

I don't know what else to say.
I am at the point to where since you are friends with her, maybe if you ask her to leave me alone, she will.

Thanks for asking what's going on.
I know e'one doesn't u'satnd what's going on - I hate taking up time on the board with this. This should be in emails if 2 people have a problem but I don't want anymore of her emails.

Love, Jean
Jean,

Really, you have no problem or fight with me and I will not engage in one. My post about Lisa was not directed to you, please don't take it personally. As I've said.........some ways work with certain people........a firm, no nonsense method, and other ways work for certain people.......a soft, gentle approach. We all belong here if we are seeking recovery and if we pass on hope and inspiration to others. If that is not our goal then we need to evaluate our purpose for being on this board.

God bless,

Sharon
Dear Sharon:

I had let it go. I didn't know she had been gone all day - until she came home and immediatelty posted to me about pushing - I didn't get it then and I still don't get it.
She had told me not to post or email her and I didn't - then she does it - so what do I do? I can't believe she did it on the board. That really doesn't sound like her at all. It's like she's getting desperate.

I want the Mods to make her leave me alone.
I know you are her friend and she is being nice to you but I'm seeing a really bad side of her. I respect you and know that she is your friend and see the god side of her. I have never seen or heard this before from her. Until a couple of weeks ago, she was so good, saying things in a straight forward way but helping people. She never ask for any help, that's all i was offering when I and others saw the difference in her.

I NEED this recovery board. I am a recovering addict. I don't have as much clean time as she does - I don't even know if that matters - I am still learning but I can't learn by getting threats from Cowgirl, a veteran, receiving threats off and now on the board.


This doesn't have anything to do with the different way she and I handle helping others. I think just about e'one has accepted that now. I have even said that it seems the other way works for more than my way but some have told me that my way works, too. So, I feel that's settles that much discussed issue.
She just won't leave me alone. We didn't even talk about that. She is threatening, cursing, saying I will be sorry, I don't know what she means or how much power she has or thinks she has. She says he will have me banned for good. I was thinking that maybe she's a moderator.
I just want the Mods to handle it.

I had not pushed. I thought it was over until tonight - I got the nasty post and email.

Please, Moderaters, if you are working tonight. I am awake for the night due to pain. I'm leaving this thread up to you.

I'm going to other threads that make me feel like I am doing something good.


Jean