Donna,
Thanks for clarifying that for me. I just saw the name Sharon and thought you were referring to me. I did not know that anyone else spelled their name as I do on this board. I apologize for my misunderstanding. And I do agree with your last post. People should not put all of us that believe in the NA/AA program down just because they have had a problem with someone else that belongs to the program.
Jean,
I hope that you never get Cancer or Diabetes. I use those disease's as an example. My point is that one or 2 treatments will not cure you or help keep your disease under control. Going to 2 NA or AA meetings does not make you an expert on those recovery programs.
And who is the one being negative? I think most of the time the finger you are pointing at others here should be pointing back at yourself, IMHO
Sharon.
Donna...while I appreciate all you have said, I didn't quit posting because people were bashing my program. They were bashing me personally. I beleive in my recovery program and I have always supported other methods, but for some reason that keeps getting lost in all the mumbojumbo that goes back and forth. For that matter, I have my opinion about what works. They are OPINIONS. Fact for me.
Not sure why this keeps getting brought up. We can debate it till the cows come home. Anyone else sick of it?
How about we start sharing what works for us as individuals and hope that the still suffering addict finds something that they can hang on too. As a newbie, I stuck with the ones that were clean and serene. You can be clean, but if you're miserable, you got nothing. But I read what everyone had to say and did what was suggested.
Cowgirl
Not sure why this keeps getting brought up. We can debate it till the cows come home. Anyone else sick of it?
How about we start sharing what works for us as individuals and hope that the still suffering addict finds something that they can hang on too. As a newbie, I stuck with the ones that were clean and serene. You can be clean, but if you're miserable, you got nothing. But I read what everyone had to say and did what was suggested.
Cowgirl
i hope nobody thinks i was knocking NA/AA. i surely wasnt. I just like to hear of EVERY different way that works. AA saved my life-- i do have things about it i dont necessarily like, but that is with everthing in life. anyway, enough of that!! sorry if i stereotyped anything for anyone
Fire,
I didn't think that you sterotyped anyone. Like you, I think that everyone has to find their own way to recovery. All methods are fine with me. What's important is finding one that works and sticking with it. Drug abuse kills, so anything that keeps a person sober, clean, and alive one more day is alright with me.
Have a good day.
Sharon
I didn't think that you sterotyped anyone. Like you, I think that everyone has to find their own way to recovery. All methods are fine with me. What's important is finding one that works and sticking with it. Drug abuse kills, so anything that keeps a person sober, clean, and alive one more day is alright with me.
Have a good day.
Sharon
(K)Sharon:
I don't even understand your post. I hope and I pray that I don't get Diabetes or cancer, I hope and pray others don't either. If I get cancer, I have a feeling, I will end up on pain meds, just from what I have seen from cancer in my family. The Diabetes in my family - no pain meds have been needed as of yet.
So, I hope I answered whatever point you were trying to make.
Just b/c the Recovery Meeting at my Church is not an A/A or N/A meeting, I feel very safe and open there. For now it is all prescription drug abusers but it's been talked about and no one will be turned away. Are you suggesting that is not enough and I still have to do it your way - sorry, just couldn't pull anything out of your comment. You see I tried.
Jean
I don't even understand your post. I hope and I pray that I don't get Diabetes or cancer, I hope and pray others don't either. If I get cancer, I have a feeling, I will end up on pain meds, just from what I have seen from cancer in my family. The Diabetes in my family - no pain meds have been needed as of yet.
So, I hope I answered whatever point you were trying to make.
Just b/c the Recovery Meeting at my Church is not an A/A or N/A meeting, I feel very safe and open there. For now it is all prescription drug abusers but it's been talked about and no one will be turned away. Are you suggesting that is not enough and I still have to do it your way - sorry, just couldn't pull anything out of your comment. You see I tried.
Jean
Jean,
Of course you did not understand. You just like to twist words and make enemies anymore. And BTW, you've contradicted yourself so much lately its not even funny. Go back and read your posts about the church starting the recovery program and your involvement. I really don't even care what you say anymore. You've told too many lies at this point. I wish that you would get individual therapy counseling.
Sharon
Of course you did not understand. You just like to twist words and make enemies anymore. And BTW, you've contradicted yourself so much lately its not even funny. Go back and read your posts about the church starting the recovery program and your involvement. I really don't even care what you say anymore. You've told too many lies at this point. I wish that you would get individual therapy counseling.
Sharon
Sharon I ditto that.... By the way how is that new Grandson doing, when are you going to post some pics of him? ... I cant wait to see what he looks like... I know you are the proud grandmom... Love ya, Paula
Hi Paula,
How are you? I'm so glad that you changed your screen name. I like this one better but you have to explain it to me, lol. Congratulations on your clean time.
I have lots of pics of baby Jackson. The latest ones I have were taken last night. If you don't mind, I can email them to you. He's got his eyes open in them and is so cute. I'm getting ready to leave here in a few minutes to go over and see him. At that age you could just cuddle him forever.......plus that baby smell....ummmm. Right now all he does is eat and sleep.
Love,
Sharon
How are you? I'm so glad that you changed your screen name. I like this one better but you have to explain it to me, lol. Congratulations on your clean time.
I have lots of pics of baby Jackson. The latest ones I have were taken last night. If you don't mind, I can email them to you. He's got his eyes open in them and is so cute. I'm getting ready to leave here in a few minutes to go over and see him. At that age you could just cuddle him forever.......plus that baby smell....ummmm. Right now all he does is eat and sleep.
Love,
Sharon
ahem, I see that others are finally figuring this mess out. Thank You....
By the way Jean, my Dad died of lung cancer and he never took one pain pill, not one, thank you very much. So, that just goes to show you that cancer does not spell PAIN PILLS...........
By the way Jean, my Dad died of lung cancer and he never took one pain pill, not one, thank you very much. So, that just goes to show you that cancer does not spell PAIN PILLS...........
Oh, to have a new grandson and be wasting time posting negative comments on a recovery board - when my 1st one comes along, I will always be a part of the board that helped me so much but it will be the ones asking for help only, not posting for someone who has "quit" if I understand what you are saying this time.
I am very proud of our Church Recovery Program, I think it is a good idea for everyone. I have said that I respect your N/A and A/A - I expect the same - I hope to get it. I think it is a wonderful idea for Churches. So very safe. It's a big Church and I know all faces but not all names but we all walk out to our cars together, no strangers. Even though everyone is welcome, this would not be the type of meeting I don't think that s'thing bad could happen. I don't try and predict the future but it's peaceful and I feel safe.he 2 meetings I did attend - I was scared to death, even though I'm sure there are wonderful meetings, I just didn't find them and was scared to keep trying. I am clean but I want to saty safe.
I have never told one lie on this board. You an name some words and say that I said them and they are lies - but I promise to this whole board that no lies from me. I respect this board too much for that even when parts of it seem to be crazy. In the beginning, I told everything b/c I felt so free to do so. Now, I know I have to be very careful with my words so if I have a problem, email is used.
I try and help newcomers if they are asking for help. Like I said in the beginning, wanted to give back what was given to me.
Pam, won't even acknowledge you anymore - you know the lies, they were in email you sent out re: me - that's the part you never apologized about - said that someone asked you to send and you did - you know that makes no sense - you were getting bashed on the board - you would have been screaming a name had that been the case to get the heat off of you. You said in the email I saw that you were F***ing with me tto get my reaction I was in the den in my recliner - knew nothing 'til the next day. You have to u'stand why I can't believe anything you say about anything. That's when e'one came to my rescue.
CG - stay or leave - threads can be long or short - even "your side" that's what it has been reduced to - said that after 50-100 post on Poopie's thread that CG knew how e'one felt about her - which some post weren't about her at all.
Got to the point of best way to quit smoking.
I also don' care to argue with CG, just wondering if she was going to do what she said - wan't argue with someone who emails those kind of words - you get what you get from me - post and emails. I learned that she is a different person on her emails, very different.
She did state that she had quit - not as innocent as Poopie starting this thread for her - I think she posted on this thread that she didn't quit posting b/c she was getting bashed - That post was today - about 4-5 days after she had lead Poopie to think she was leaving. I just will never u'stand why it takes so long to go.
Or, if she has helped so many, take the time and post to them. That's what I do except these 2 nutsy post that are such a waste of time (and I don't have a new grandchild) I would be on the Internet buying him something or making him a baby quilt or some nights - baby-sitting him. I can't wait - he will fill up a lot of my thoughts for a good long while - I don't know how negative ones can be in your head. I have had tragedies recently and I know you have Sharon that can't be helped but I noticed during these terrible times that the little ones could make everyone smile. All 4 of my brothers and sister have at least 1 grandchild.
Oh- K-Sharon, just a tip, my son and daughter-in-law are talking about children now and planning. During the 40 weeks, my husbad and I plan on baby proofing the house - crawling around on the floor - the whole she-bang, also, we thought it would be a good time to up-date our CPR cards and take the classes. I think that's good advice, hope you're not the type to dismiss it just b/c it came from me.
Last post on this thread - I did my last on the other tocxic one - time is a wastin' - haha
Jean
I am very proud of our Church Recovery Program, I think it is a good idea for everyone. I have said that I respect your N/A and A/A - I expect the same - I hope to get it. I think it is a wonderful idea for Churches. So very safe. It's a big Church and I know all faces but not all names but we all walk out to our cars together, no strangers. Even though everyone is welcome, this would not be the type of meeting I don't think that s'thing bad could happen. I don't try and predict the future but it's peaceful and I feel safe.he 2 meetings I did attend - I was scared to death, even though I'm sure there are wonderful meetings, I just didn't find them and was scared to keep trying. I am clean but I want to saty safe.
I have never told one lie on this board. You an name some words and say that I said them and they are lies - but I promise to this whole board that no lies from me. I respect this board too much for that even when parts of it seem to be crazy. In the beginning, I told everything b/c I felt so free to do so. Now, I know I have to be very careful with my words so if I have a problem, email is used.
I try and help newcomers if they are asking for help. Like I said in the beginning, wanted to give back what was given to me.
Pam, won't even acknowledge you anymore - you know the lies, they were in email you sent out re: me - that's the part you never apologized about - said that someone asked you to send and you did - you know that makes no sense - you were getting bashed on the board - you would have been screaming a name had that been the case to get the heat off of you. You said in the email I saw that you were F***ing with me tto get my reaction I was in the den in my recliner - knew nothing 'til the next day. You have to u'stand why I can't believe anything you say about anything. That's when e'one came to my rescue.
CG - stay or leave - threads can be long or short - even "your side" that's what it has been reduced to - said that after 50-100 post on Poopie's thread that CG knew how e'one felt about her - which some post weren't about her at all.
Got to the point of best way to quit smoking.
I also don' care to argue with CG, just wondering if she was going to do what she said - wan't argue with someone who emails those kind of words - you get what you get from me - post and emails. I learned that she is a different person on her emails, very different.
She did state that she had quit - not as innocent as Poopie starting this thread for her - I think she posted on this thread that she didn't quit posting b/c she was getting bashed - That post was today - about 4-5 days after she had lead Poopie to think she was leaving. I just will never u'stand why it takes so long to go.
Or, if she has helped so many, take the time and post to them. That's what I do except these 2 nutsy post that are such a waste of time (and I don't have a new grandchild) I would be on the Internet buying him something or making him a baby quilt or some nights - baby-sitting him. I can't wait - he will fill up a lot of my thoughts for a good long while - I don't know how negative ones can be in your head. I have had tragedies recently and I know you have Sharon that can't be helped but I noticed during these terrible times that the little ones could make everyone smile. All 4 of my brothers and sister have at least 1 grandchild.
Oh- K-Sharon, just a tip, my son and daughter-in-law are talking about children now and planning. During the 40 weeks, my husbad and I plan on baby proofing the house - crawling around on the floor - the whole she-bang, also, we thought it would be a good time to up-date our CPR cards and take the classes. I think that's good advice, hope you're not the type to dismiss it just b/c it came from me.
Last post on this thread - I did my last on the other tocxic one - time is a wastin' - haha
Jean
Jean's quote: I have never told one lie on this board.
Jean, shut up... You most certainly did lie. Remember, or have you taken far too many Xanax today to remember. You spewed vicious venom about Janet and her children and said that I told you that garbage. You are one sick woman and you lied again tonight in your post protesting that you have never lied. You promised that you never lied. Why did you go and say that? It was a lie.
And Blah, Blah, Blah, And Wah, Wah, Wah, about a damn apology from me. You are so busted on this one too as I sent a copy of the apology that I posted to you to the Mods., thank you very much and I have it saved on my computer as well. Now, put that in your pipe and zip your lips...
Oh, I thought that you were through writing novels. HMMM, another lie...
Jean, shut up... You most certainly did lie. Remember, or have you taken far too many Xanax today to remember. You spewed vicious venom about Janet and her children and said that I told you that garbage. You are one sick woman and you lied again tonight in your post protesting that you have never lied. You promised that you never lied. Why did you go and say that? It was a lie.
And Blah, Blah, Blah, And Wah, Wah, Wah, about a damn apology from me. You are so busted on this one too as I sent a copy of the apology that I posted to you to the Mods., thank you very much and I have it saved on my computer as well. Now, put that in your pipe and zip your lips...
Oh, I thought that you were through writing novels. HMMM, another lie...
Pam, you know you told me that Pam had relapsed - that was why I was so concerned about her children, she just happened to mention how hard it was to get her children up and out the next morning. - I didn't know what to do - We know the ones of us who have children that we have taken pills while we had children but you made it sound like she did more than pills.You should be very thankful that she ended up believing you - I didn't know either of you that well at the time - that's why I didn't u'stand you coming after me for no reason - I do now - some people have to keep things going - and I thought I had to defend myself but some of you come back with some of the craziest answers - it's just to keep it going. Do you tell lies all of the time or just on this board? You made that one sound bad, it wa bad enough w/o your additions. You did it to take the heat off of you.
Pam - if you are into telling the truth - who asked you to send dirty emails about me when I was fairly new - back when I thought this was a happy board?
Now, just try to help the newcomers - and talk with all friends in other ways.
No truth in you, even throw your frind in to save y'self.
Pam - if you are into telling the truth - who asked you to send dirty emails about me when I was fairly new - back when I thought this was a happy board?
Now, just try to help the newcomers - and talk with all friends in other ways.
No truth in you, even throw your frind in to save y'self.
Jean, I'm just too disgusted right now to even know what to say to you. To even mention Sharon's grandson or her sister is unthinkably rude. You have no right to tell another person what they should be posting in light of the fact they have a new addition to their family. I can't believe you would stoop to levels like this. We should be able to announce our joys and sorrows without concern for them being thrown in our face.
That just makes me sick.
That just makes me sick.
Pam, you know you told me that Pam had relapsed
Jean, see you can't even keep your story straight. Oh, where are all of your friends tonight? I don't see anyone coming to your rescue. Do you know why? They have finally figured your ignorant lies out. Your posts tonight make absolutely NO sense. It is obvious that you are on some type of mood altering drug, just by the way you are wording your posts. Example above, saying Pam said Pam had relapsed... What a crock... You are so busted.
Oh, I thought you said that you weren't going to post to me again. Another lie.
Get it straight Jean, I see straight through people like you. Get Help, you need it and this board cannot provide you with the type of help you need.
Ah yes, you say you were sitting in the den in your recliner the night that the emails were flying. Well, remember, you posted to me that night, not the next morning like you said in the above post, and asked me to give you the info. Yet, another lie, you were right here in the mix of it.
Jean, see you can't even keep your story straight. Oh, where are all of your friends tonight? I don't see anyone coming to your rescue. Do you know why? They have finally figured your ignorant lies out. Your posts tonight make absolutely NO sense. It is obvious that you are on some type of mood altering drug, just by the way you are wording your posts. Example above, saying Pam said Pam had relapsed... What a crock... You are so busted.
Oh, I thought you said that you weren't going to post to me again. Another lie.
Get it straight Jean, I see straight through people like you. Get Help, you need it and this board cannot provide you with the type of help you need.
Ah yes, you say you were sitting in the den in your recliner the night that the emails were flying. Well, remember, you posted to me that night, not the next morning like you said in the above post, and asked me to give you the info. Yet, another lie, you were right here in the mix of it.
Jean, Would you PLEASE just knock it off already? You have alot to offer people, but you would rather WASTE it on this type of nonsense. JUST STOP!
I really do enjoy your posts when you are being positive, but I can't stand it when you BICKER people to death. You are spewing out negativity and it is poisonious to everyone on this board, yourself included. I truely believe that you want the board to be focused on recovery, however, you are hindering that from happening. You may not even realize it. I know that you are not always treated with respect. I can see that and I'm sure others do also. But you make it 10x's worse when you always have to get the last word or 2000 words in. Please stick to posting about recovery only. Just give it a try, especially now while cowgirl is taking a break, and let's see if the drama dies down a bit. I like you and respect your opinions and enjoy your positive posts. I do not mean to sound harsh but enough is enough. Atlas
I really do enjoy your posts when you are being positive, but I can't stand it when you BICKER people to death. You are spewing out negativity and it is poisonious to everyone on this board, yourself included. I truely believe that you want the board to be focused on recovery, however, you are hindering that from happening. You may not even realize it. I know that you are not always treated with respect. I can see that and I'm sure others do also. But you make it 10x's worse when you always have to get the last word or 2000 words in. Please stick to posting about recovery only. Just give it a try, especially now while cowgirl is taking a break, and let's see if the drama dies down a bit. I like you and respect your opinions and enjoy your positive posts. I do not mean to sound harsh but enough is enough. Atlas
Jean, see you can't even keep your story straight. Oh, where are all of your friends tonight? I don't see anyone coming to your rescue. Do you know why? They have finally figured your ignorant lies out.
Pam, do not presume to know anything about me. I am a friend of Jeans, and while I may or may not agree with everything that goes on, I don't feel the need to jump into every thread that's posted here. Got it?
Pam, do not presume to know anything about me. I am a friend of Jeans, and while I may or may not agree with everything that goes on, I don't feel the need to jump into every thread that's posted here. Got it?