liz..............hello
i would like to offer you my support and love................right now...
and most of all liz ........my prayers...
i know that this not easy for you and that this a struggle , we have all been there.
so please confide in your doctor liz and get the help you deserve.....
you are a special lady............
and we are gonna pray for you...........
please keep posting..............ok........
love and concern,
thumper
Im sorry I didnt mean to sound rude or judgmental. Just a lot of feelinga when you are cleaning up and the post was upsetting to me. I really thought that much valium was toxic and lethal. I just hope he gets some help thats all.
Night everyone
Night everyone
reddog:
I understand how you feel...and you are zealous about being clean, and that is really good...we just have to always have our healing minds with us here! There is enough judgement in the world for us addicts, not to mention the endless loop of negative feedback we speak to ourselves inside our heads. (which is part of the reason we use anyway).
Empathy isn't always easy, but it is a trait worth developing.
I definitely do feel that much valium is lethal, which is why we are all so concerned for Liz.
There are a million reasons why we "cannot" get into a program and get better, there is only ONE reason that we CAN...That is because we value this life we have been granted, and we want to do the best with it that we can.
It is hard to make that step, why, I will never understand. I wish right was easy, but that isn't the way the world is.
We just need to pray that Liz finds some courage and continues to stay alive til she can. Liz, I am pulling for you!
Sarah
I understand how you feel...and you are zealous about being clean, and that is really good...we just have to always have our healing minds with us here! There is enough judgement in the world for us addicts, not to mention the endless loop of negative feedback we speak to ourselves inside our heads. (which is part of the reason we use anyway).
Empathy isn't always easy, but it is a trait worth developing.
I definitely do feel that much valium is lethal, which is why we are all so concerned for Liz.
There are a million reasons why we "cannot" get into a program and get better, there is only ONE reason that we CAN...That is because we value this life we have been granted, and we want to do the best with it that we can.
It is hard to make that step, why, I will never understand. I wish right was easy, but that isn't the way the world is.
We just need to pray that Liz finds some courage and continues to stay alive til she can. Liz, I am pulling for you!
Sarah
Sarah, great post....
Liz, people are telling you like it is..well most of them. Addiction will lead you to jails, institutions and death...plain and simple. What you are doing is scary, you are going to kill yourself if you don't get help. If CPS sees another OD or behavior like that you are going to lose your child...I'm sure that it will be reported if it happens again, and it should be...sweetie, your baby isn't safe with you, not while you are using drugs. What if your addiction also kills your child...how many stories have you read about a parent falling asleep and the house catching fire? Is this fair to your child? Is it fair to your family, no, of course not. You need help, please keep reaching out. Find a way to get it when you are home. We will be here for you, but you need more help than we can give you.
I love you honey!
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Liz, people are telling you like it is..well most of them. Addiction will lead you to jails, institutions and death...plain and simple. What you are doing is scary, you are going to kill yourself if you don't get help. If CPS sees another OD or behavior like that you are going to lose your child...I'm sure that it will be reported if it happens again, and it should be...sweetie, your baby isn't safe with you, not while you are using drugs. What if your addiction also kills your child...how many stories have you read about a parent falling asleep and the house catching fire? Is this fair to your child? Is it fair to your family, no, of course not. You need help, please keep reaching out. Find a way to get it when you are home. We will be here for you, but you need more help than we can give you.
I love you honey!
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I say this with love, concern, and compassion....Please get some supervised medical help, and give the reins to someone other than yourself. When we are actively using, our minds will justify every "slip" and excuse for taking pills. No one ever "means" to hurt their kids or burn their house down, or run over someones pet, or worse, a child....no one wants to be an addict. It happens. Everyday. In all walks of life....rich and poor, old and young. And the end results are always bad. Some are lucky to pick up the pieces of their lives...some die....and some just suffer in a living hell known as addiction. I hope that somewhere in the back of your mind, you will admit that the pill use is a problem. That is an awful lot of valium. Of course you cannot stop CT...but a Dr. could put you on a taper. The thrill of ODing? I hope it's not what it sounds like. You don't want to die sweetie...you have children who love you and need you. There are many kind and experienced. intelligent people here who can help you. God loves you...He wants you to be well and to be happy...please get some real help. Addiction is bigger than most think...you cannot do it yourself. Maybe you can find a meeting in your area...you will not feel alone and it will give you support. I will pray for you....Love, Sharonn
thank you sharonn...
You are my hero Sarah.
Check your email doll.
Hey Sharonn.....
Check your email doll.
Hey Sharonn.....
Hi Lisa...what's going on with you? How is your health? I hope you got some relief from the evil night sweats and such....ahhhh...it ain't easy being a woman. Love, S
I hope you get some help Sarah. Im sorry i never intended to be harsh. I know how it feels. I was just worried about the kids. It struck some cord with me. So I will pray for you. If you need me let me know. Please see a dr and keep posting
Good luck God bless
Good luck God bless
Valium isn't my problem it's Ultram. I woud just down valium to get the thrill.
(Quote from liz's post)
article that i researched on ultram:
Other non-narcotic pain medications (e.g. Ultram)
There is a new type of non-narcotic oral pain medication that can be prescribed to treat low back pain. Tramadol (Ultram) acts centrally (in the brain) to modulate the sensation of pain and has no anti-inflammatory effect. It is a stronger pain reliever than acetaminophen, but probably not as strong as the narcotic agents. Ultram is often a good option for treatment of low back pain because patients do not build up a tolerance with extended usage and there is a very low incidence of addiction. ( why does liz say that ultram is the problem if this article says it has a low incidence of addiction?)
This new medication is still quite expensive and is not covered by some health plans because of the expense. The regularly prescribed dose is one to two 50mg tablets every four to six hours, not to exceed eight pills a day. Exceeding the prescribed dose may lead to respiratory depression or seizures.
Ultram has several potential side effects and risks, such as:
Drug interactions. Care should be taken with antidepressant medications, as a combination of Ultram and antidepressant medications can lead to seizures. Ultram should also not be taken in conjunction with alcohol, tranquilizers, or narcotics because the effects are additive and it may impair mental and physical function.
Pregnancy risk. Ultram should not be taken by women who may be pregnant.
Tolerance. Ultram is not well tolerated by everyone, and some people report feeling "weird" or "unusual" while on the medication.
hey everyone!
i am so concerned about liz, i have read her pain in other posts...
liz, my question is: are you saying that you are addicted to the ultram and not the valium? i do not know if ultram is an opiate, cuz i would say that you could be helped tremendously by trying suboxone, that is if ultram is an opiate. the article first says ultram has a low incidence of addiction, but then it goes on to say that if ultram is used with tranquilizers (valium) the effects are then addictive. it says that ultram is a non narcotic medication and i couldnt find in my research of this drug if it is an opiate, suboxone only works with opiate addiction.
just trying to understand what this drug ultram is because we all want to help you so bad and care about you so much.
liz i had read your pain in previous posts from months ago, and i always felt so much compassion for your pain, it must be awful to be feeling what you are going thru right now. i am in recovery from a vicodin addiction and that was a real hard one to go thru. i know what your thinking too cuz i have addict thinking also, no matter how much people tell you what you are doing is wrong and you could die, our disease of addiction tells us to deny.
i am a diabetic and my doctor told me i am playing russian roulette with my life, because i still smoke, i dont watch my blood sugar, i drink tons of regular not diet pepsi because i am a pepsi junkie. my diet for the day was 2 packs of cigarettes, pepsi and vicodin. real healthy for a diabetic huh? i have been told that i could lose my limbs, have a stroke, go blind, die, and my disease keeps telling me to deny it, BUT i did take my first baby step into recovery..
things had gotton so bad with the vicodin, the withdrawals were AWFUL that i went thru at home cold turkey, forget about trying to taper.... so i checked my self into rehab, and it was a psych ward and i panicked and left AMA the next day and of course i relapsed.
back in active addiction again and believe me its true when they say each relapse gets worse, i didnt want to do meetings, no way would i call a sponsor, so it got real bad again... this forum told me about suboxone, this forum saved my life... i tried to cold turkey detox again, i couldnt take it after the 11th day so i took their advice and went to a non psych facility, and yes they give valium for vicodin detox, after a few days of that they started me on suboxone, WHAT A DIFFERENCE THIS DRUG HAS MADE IN MY LIFE.....
I AM CLEAN FROM VICODIN SINCE JULY 10TH 2006!!!!!!
I AM SO THRILLED!!!! suboxone stopped all the cravings for vicodin and since i am comfortable i am willing to do what i am supposed to do, i love my na meetings and my na friends, i have a sponsor who i call and i am starting stepwork for the very first time! stepwork is going to help me with my "stinkin thinkin" its not just quitting pills its learning a new way of life and thinking, and reactions and that is what the 12 steps are about, i would get so close to starting step work and satan would pull me away into my destructive thinking and then i would relapse and quit.
my higher power Jesus Christ has won the battle over satan and He has me on the road to recovery, i want to say this prayer to God for you dear sweet liz:
Dear heavenly father your earthly daughter liz who you created in your image is hurting so bad right now, satan has a grip on her and wants to devour and destroy her, it states in your word that satan will leave if you demand him too, so by the blood of Jesus Christ we all ask you to flee satan, leave liz alone, she has God on her side to protect her and you cant have her.
Dear Father help Liz to get clean from drugs, guide and direct her path, lift her up and carry her like you do in the "footprints" picture we always see, let liz be here to celebrate your sons birth this Christmas and for many many more, Dear Lord you have blessed liz with the gift of a child, let her be there to see her child grow up and let liz be a good example for her daughter to follow, this we ask in your sons precious name amen.
good luck sweet heart, you can do it.... God will help you and so will we, i look back on my drug days and i thank God those day are over for today, i pray i never have to go thru that again, you cant feel those good feelings until you are clean! It feels wonderful and it will for you tool love julie/k-9lover/jewels
(Quote from liz's post)
article that i researched on ultram:
Other non-narcotic pain medications (e.g. Ultram)
There is a new type of non-narcotic oral pain medication that can be prescribed to treat low back pain. Tramadol (Ultram) acts centrally (in the brain) to modulate the sensation of pain and has no anti-inflammatory effect. It is a stronger pain reliever than acetaminophen, but probably not as strong as the narcotic agents. Ultram is often a good option for treatment of low back pain because patients do not build up a tolerance with extended usage and there is a very low incidence of addiction. ( why does liz say that ultram is the problem if this article says it has a low incidence of addiction?)
This new medication is still quite expensive and is not covered by some health plans because of the expense. The regularly prescribed dose is one to two 50mg tablets every four to six hours, not to exceed eight pills a day. Exceeding the prescribed dose may lead to respiratory depression or seizures.
Ultram has several potential side effects and risks, such as:
Drug interactions. Care should be taken with antidepressant medications, as a combination of Ultram and antidepressant medications can lead to seizures. Ultram should also not be taken in conjunction with alcohol, tranquilizers, or narcotics because the effects are additive and it may impair mental and physical function.
Pregnancy risk. Ultram should not be taken by women who may be pregnant.
Tolerance. Ultram is not well tolerated by everyone, and some people report feeling "weird" or "unusual" while on the medication.
hey everyone!
i am so concerned about liz, i have read her pain in other posts...
liz, my question is: are you saying that you are addicted to the ultram and not the valium? i do not know if ultram is an opiate, cuz i would say that you could be helped tremendously by trying suboxone, that is if ultram is an opiate. the article first says ultram has a low incidence of addiction, but then it goes on to say that if ultram is used with tranquilizers (valium) the effects are then addictive. it says that ultram is a non narcotic medication and i couldnt find in my research of this drug if it is an opiate, suboxone only works with opiate addiction.
just trying to understand what this drug ultram is because we all want to help you so bad and care about you so much.
liz i had read your pain in previous posts from months ago, and i always felt so much compassion for your pain, it must be awful to be feeling what you are going thru right now. i am in recovery from a vicodin addiction and that was a real hard one to go thru. i know what your thinking too cuz i have addict thinking also, no matter how much people tell you what you are doing is wrong and you could die, our disease of addiction tells us to deny.
i am a diabetic and my doctor told me i am playing russian roulette with my life, because i still smoke, i dont watch my blood sugar, i drink tons of regular not diet pepsi because i am a pepsi junkie. my diet for the day was 2 packs of cigarettes, pepsi and vicodin. real healthy for a diabetic huh? i have been told that i could lose my limbs, have a stroke, go blind, die, and my disease keeps telling me to deny it, BUT i did take my first baby step into recovery..
things had gotton so bad with the vicodin, the withdrawals were AWFUL that i went thru at home cold turkey, forget about trying to taper.... so i checked my self into rehab, and it was a psych ward and i panicked and left AMA the next day and of course i relapsed.
back in active addiction again and believe me its true when they say each relapse gets worse, i didnt want to do meetings, no way would i call a sponsor, so it got real bad again... this forum told me about suboxone, this forum saved my life... i tried to cold turkey detox again, i couldnt take it after the 11th day so i took their advice and went to a non psych facility, and yes they give valium for vicodin detox, after a few days of that they started me on suboxone, WHAT A DIFFERENCE THIS DRUG HAS MADE IN MY LIFE.....
I AM CLEAN FROM VICODIN SINCE JULY 10TH 2006!!!!!!
I AM SO THRILLED!!!! suboxone stopped all the cravings for vicodin and since i am comfortable i am willing to do what i am supposed to do, i love my na meetings and my na friends, i have a sponsor who i call and i am starting stepwork for the very first time! stepwork is going to help me with my "stinkin thinkin" its not just quitting pills its learning a new way of life and thinking, and reactions and that is what the 12 steps are about, i would get so close to starting step work and satan would pull me away into my destructive thinking and then i would relapse and quit.
my higher power Jesus Christ has won the battle over satan and He has me on the road to recovery, i want to say this prayer to God for you dear sweet liz:
Dear heavenly father your earthly daughter liz who you created in your image is hurting so bad right now, satan has a grip on her and wants to devour and destroy her, it states in your word that satan will leave if you demand him too, so by the blood of Jesus Christ we all ask you to flee satan, leave liz alone, she has God on her side to protect her and you cant have her.
Dear Father help Liz to get clean from drugs, guide and direct her path, lift her up and carry her like you do in the "footprints" picture we always see, let liz be here to celebrate your sons birth this Christmas and for many many more, Dear Lord you have blessed liz with the gift of a child, let her be there to see her child grow up and let liz be a good example for her daughter to follow, this we ask in your sons precious name amen.
good luck sweet heart, you can do it.... God will help you and so will we, i look back on my drug days and i thank God those day are over for today, i pray i never have to go thru that again, you cant feel those good feelings until you are clean! It feels wonderful and it will for you tool love julie/k-9lover/jewels
Hey Jewels YES Ultram has opiate properies in it & was my last poision of choice.I know first hand how hard it is to stop.I was well over 20 + pills a day & had to go on the Sub for that(alng with medical problems)
I would HATE to see her have to live with hurting her child.No parent should have to go through that.
I hate tuff love & feel there are better ways but this situation is to the danger zone & I fear if she doesnt do something & do it now....she will regret it for the rest of her life.
I dont feel out patient therapy or NA is gonna do it for her.She needs to be in a hopspital where they can help her....
I would HATE to see her have to live with hurting her child.No parent should have to go through that.
I hate tuff love & feel there are better ways but this situation is to the danger zone & I fear if she doesnt do something & do it now....she will regret it for the rest of her life.
I dont feel out patient therapy or NA is gonna do it for her.She needs to be in a hopspital where they can help her....
Julie,
Ultram has more misinformation circulating about it than 20 years worth of the National Enquirer. It acts a little differenly than other opiates, but it IS an opiate, it IS highly addictive, produces terrible physical withdrawal and is very dangerous. Many, many people have suffered from ultram addiction. It does have a lower addiction rate than some other opiates like hydrocodone or oxycodone, but it is still very addictive.
Liz,
I hope you come back and talk some more. We are all here for you, and want to help. Nobody is judging you, we are all just concerned for your safety.
Ultram has more misinformation circulating about it than 20 years worth of the National Enquirer. It acts a little differenly than other opiates, but it IS an opiate, it IS highly addictive, produces terrible physical withdrawal and is very dangerous. Many, many people have suffered from ultram addiction. It does have a lower addiction rate than some other opiates like hydrocodone or oxycodone, but it is still very addictive.
Liz,
I hope you come back and talk some more. We are all here for you, and want to help. Nobody is judging you, we are all just concerned for your safety.
hey atlas/mj
thanks for the response back, i hope that liz is still reading the posts even though she said no more responses and regrets posting this subject.
i also researched the drugs suldane and ???? cant remember now, it was the pills she had od'd on the day she fell down the stairs with her baby, those drugs are sleep medications to help one sleep.
she must be hurting so bad... now that i know ultram is in the family of opiates i am hoping that she reads my last post to her that there is a solution, a beginning for her that will not at all cause her any discomfort, i am doing it now liz and it works, sub takes away all cravings... liz i am always drawn to your posts, God for some reason wants me to reach out to you of all people on this forum, i bet we share the same issues... i was terribly abused in my childhood and presently by my alcoholic/porn addicted husband, it is a living hell to try and work on my recovery and have to deal with his issues everyday, after taking so many years of abuse,after much counseling and now being off vicodin, i am now ready to work on leaving my marriage, i lost my financial independance which was my decision to do so, it was so important that i be a stay at home mom, i wanted children more than anything in the world and i wanted to be home with them every minute of them growing up, my sons are 19 and 22 and have addicted parents/grandparents and i have very dysfunctional family members, my staying at home and insisting they not have the childhood i had has paid off, they are such a blessing, mature beautiful men who are clean!!!! thank you Jesus for that, i tried so hard to instill good values, spirituality in them, they have seen my suffering and pain that i went thru with drugs and presently they see the pain i am in now with my husband and family members. i have set boundaries with the abusers, so now that i am getting clean and my boys are raised i am working on getting financially independant, i have 3 part time jobs to juggle plus my recovery, diabetes, anxiety, just got over a nervous breakdown on nov 9th which was instigated by my mom, my dad molested me on a daily basis and killed my unborn child by forcing me to have an abortion when i was 19, i dont know liz if you can relate to any of this but i know why i self medicated and my drug abuse got so bad that i literally "checked out of life"
live liz, please want to live, life is a gift and it goes by so fast,,,, julie
thanks for the response back, i hope that liz is still reading the posts even though she said no more responses and regrets posting this subject.
i also researched the drugs suldane and ???? cant remember now, it was the pills she had od'd on the day she fell down the stairs with her baby, those drugs are sleep medications to help one sleep.
she must be hurting so bad... now that i know ultram is in the family of opiates i am hoping that she reads my last post to her that there is a solution, a beginning for her that will not at all cause her any discomfort, i am doing it now liz and it works, sub takes away all cravings... liz i am always drawn to your posts, God for some reason wants me to reach out to you of all people on this forum, i bet we share the same issues... i was terribly abused in my childhood and presently by my alcoholic/porn addicted husband, it is a living hell to try and work on my recovery and have to deal with his issues everyday, after taking so many years of abuse,after much counseling and now being off vicodin, i am now ready to work on leaving my marriage, i lost my financial independance which was my decision to do so, it was so important that i be a stay at home mom, i wanted children more than anything in the world and i wanted to be home with them every minute of them growing up, my sons are 19 and 22 and have addicted parents/grandparents and i have very dysfunctional family members, my staying at home and insisting they not have the childhood i had has paid off, they are such a blessing, mature beautiful men who are clean!!!! thank you Jesus for that, i tried so hard to instill good values, spirituality in them, they have seen my suffering and pain that i went thru with drugs and presently they see the pain i am in now with my husband and family members. i have set boundaries with the abusers, so now that i am getting clean and my boys are raised i am working on getting financially independant, i have 3 part time jobs to juggle plus my recovery, diabetes, anxiety, just got over a nervous breakdown on nov 9th which was instigated by my mom, my dad molested me on a daily basis and killed my unborn child by forcing me to have an abortion when i was 19, i dont know liz if you can relate to any of this but i know why i self medicated and my drug abuse got so bad that i literally "checked out of life"
live liz, please want to live, life is a gift and it goes by so fast,,,, julie
she apologized...that is over...when someone hear apologizes for a mistake, we to let it go.
maybe you too should read a little closer before you reproach too. i think we all should.
have a good day.
maybe you too should read a little closer before you reproach too. i think we all should.
have a good day.
I agree........
Sarah...........YGM
Sarah...........YGM
liz, i have learnt never to judge anyone. ...u realise the problem....and u also know u have a high tolerance and this is why they dont work. personally i gave up on valium ages ago because of that simple reason....my tolerance is so high to them, they dont work on me either, so i thought, eh why bother taking them, so just weaned off em.
i hope ur ok, from what i have seen u havent posted in a while.....take care! oh and have a good holiday!
i hope ur ok, from what i have seen u havent posted in a while.....take care! oh and have a good holiday!
If taking 50-60 10mg tabs of Valium at once isnt a problem ,
what would you call a valium problem? - Not judging ,just curious.
jack
what would you call a valium problem? - Not judging ,just curious.
jack
