I am posting this here because I think this section has the most traffic.
I'm not looking for medical advice just opinions...
Before my OD I was downing LOTS of Klonopin and Valium. When I say alot I mean alot like (50-60) 10mg tabs of Valium at once (didn't even give me a buzz I have such a high tolerance).
After I Od'd the paramedics took all my meds but I had a paper prescription for valium in the house. I got it filled yesterday and have been taking the prescribed amount. Valium isn't my problem it's Ultram. I woud just down valium to get the thrill.
I feel so awful physically right now. I am freezing cold, clammy, depressed, weepy. I feel like I am in a "fog."
I know I belong in detox right now but I think they would be doing the same thing I'm doing now, just giving me a low dose of Valium. Plus I leave for a long awaited trip to New York Monday morning. I am sleeping ok at night and I even got up to go to work this morning so I am not doing THAT awful.
Do you think I should call my dr? He knows about the overdose of Sinequan and dalmane but he doesn't know about the Valium. I also don't want him to stop prescribing me Valium because of my panic attacks; NOT because I want to get high off of it because it doesn't get me high.
Any opinions?? Detox is not an option right now.
I'm stuck
Hello Liz,
I don't know beans about valium.
After your OD you should feel like poop. Over dosing is a tramatic event for your body and your mind.
YES, call your doctor. Now isn't the time to be wishie washie about your health.
I think going to New York is a good thing. Getting away is good for your spirit.
If you are planning on traveling I think it would be wise to talk to your doctor.
I also think its a good idea to tell your doctor you are taking the valium. I'm not a doctor, I'm not your doctor. Getting advice on something so serious should come from someone that knows your medical history.
Your doctor isn't going to bite you or feed you to the wolves. It's OK to be honest. Being honest is a large part of recovery.
Take care of yourself Liz. Your going to feel good again in no time.
Catherine
I don't know beans about valium.
After your OD you should feel like poop. Over dosing is a tramatic event for your body and your mind.
YES, call your doctor. Now isn't the time to be wishie washie about your health.
I think going to New York is a good thing. Getting away is good for your spirit.
If you are planning on traveling I think it would be wise to talk to your doctor.
I also think its a good idea to tell your doctor you are taking the valium. I'm not a doctor, I'm not your doctor. Getting advice on something so serious should come from someone that knows your medical history.
Your doctor isn't going to bite you or feed you to the wolves. It's OK to be honest. Being honest is a large part of recovery.
Take care of yourself Liz. Your going to feel good again in no time.
Catherine
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| Valium isn't my problem it's Ultram |
50-60 10mg Valiums at once is not a problem? It's a huge problem. Actually, bigger than huge.
THANK YOU DANNY!
Liz-You don't want to go to rehab because they will make you stop taking pills.
You are a drug addict and if you don't stop this insanity you are going to die.
You cannot treat yourself.Period.
Please get some help.You've been at this game too long.
Do it today
Liz-You don't want to go to rehab because they will make you stop taking pills.
You are a drug addict and if you don't stop this insanity you are going to die.
You cannot treat yourself.Period.
Please get some help.You've been at this game too long.
Do it today
Tim,
I have stopped using drugs. I don't want to use; I almost died because of my abuse. I am starting therapy after my trip...
Please don't say I don't want to stop using drugs; thats not true and all I take right now are 3-4 Valiums a day..for detox...
Bullwinkle- I know I was taking 50-60 10 mg of Valium because I am an addict and I like to OD; I like the thrill. I know it's a problem..
I shouldn't of even started this post; please no more responses..
Thank you...
I have stopped using drugs. I don't want to use; I almost died because of my abuse. I am starting therapy after my trip...
Please don't say I don't want to stop using drugs; thats not true and all I take right now are 3-4 Valiums a day..for detox...
Bullwinkle- I know I was taking 50-60 10 mg of Valium because I am an addict and I like to OD; I like the thrill. I know it's a problem..
I shouldn't of even started this post; please no more responses..
Thank you...
Liz,You haven't stopped using drugs if you're taking valium?
You are trying to control drugs on your own without help from someone who is qualified.That is abuse.I'm not trying to be mean.I'm just trying to get you to see the insanity of it.
I hope you get help and fast.
You are trying to control drugs on your own without help from someone who is qualified.That is abuse.I'm not trying to be mean.I'm just trying to get you to see the insanity of it.
I hope you get help and fast.
Liz:
Well, I think no one feels they can sugar coat it for you now. You certainly do have a problem with valium if you were doing 50 to 60 at a time.
Honey, you are so lucky to be alive.
I don't think any detoxification program gives valium, I could be wrong, but I would be shocked that any program gave narcotics to overcome a narcotic dependency. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
You need to STOP taking any narcotics. I am sure you feel groggy if you are taking valium...and I don't think you can consider yourself detoxing if you are taking pills. Isn't that kind of twisted logic?
I don't want you to think I am without compassion. I have compassion for you. I feel the pain in every rationalized word you typed. I wish I could hold up a magic mirror for you so that you could see the truth in your own words, but I can't. What I can do is pray for you and your child. I will pray for your safety.
It seems you got the wake up call, but you didn't quite wake up. What will it take Liz? Can you answer that?
I hope upon hope that you will find your way to help. You are definitely not stuck...you have options, and lots of them.
Sarah
Well, I think no one feels they can sugar coat it for you now. You certainly do have a problem with valium if you were doing 50 to 60 at a time.
Honey, you are so lucky to be alive.
I don't think any detoxification program gives valium, I could be wrong, but I would be shocked that any program gave narcotics to overcome a narcotic dependency. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
You need to STOP taking any narcotics. I am sure you feel groggy if you are taking valium...and I don't think you can consider yourself detoxing if you are taking pills. Isn't that kind of twisted logic?
I don't want you to think I am without compassion. I have compassion for you. I feel the pain in every rationalized word you typed. I wish I could hold up a magic mirror for you so that you could see the truth in your own words, but I can't. What I can do is pray for you and your child. I will pray for your safety.
It seems you got the wake up call, but you didn't quite wake up. What will it take Liz? Can you answer that?
I hope upon hope that you will find your way to help. You are definitely not stuck...you have options, and lots of them.
Sarah
Liz,
I know you want to stop. I'm sure your OD experience has put the fear of god in you. You need support now more than ever. This has got to be a scary time for you. Don't be alone now, you don't have to be alone.
Grab your phone book and call a "hot line". I did it and I found a whole bunch of support and help. No one on the other end of the phone will judge you or put a net over you head and drag you off to a "looney bin". You don't have to call the perfect hot line for your situation, I sure didn't.
I am not judging you, I will never judge you. Five months ago I was so in over my head and didn't know it. I felt like I was in a blender and someone kept pushing the "pulse" button.
It's Ok to ask for help. The "hot lines" will help you find the support you need to conquer this.
I'm on your side Liz. Your going to be free of this addiction nightmare in no time. You are so close right now.
Catherine
I know you want to stop. I'm sure your OD experience has put the fear of god in you. You need support now more than ever. This has got to be a scary time for you. Don't be alone now, you don't have to be alone.
Grab your phone book and call a "hot line". I did it and I found a whole bunch of support and help. No one on the other end of the phone will judge you or put a net over you head and drag you off to a "looney bin". You don't have to call the perfect hot line for your situation, I sure didn't.
I am not judging you, I will never judge you. Five months ago I was so in over my head and didn't know it. I felt like I was in a blender and someone kept pushing the "pulse" button.
It's Ok to ask for help. The "hot lines" will help you find the support you need to conquer this.
I'm on your side Liz. Your going to be free of this addiction nightmare in no time. You are so close right now.
Catherine
You like to OD because it's a thrill? How thrilled will your family be (or you for that matter) be when you OD and die?
Liz, listen, I'm not trying to be mean. If you are using 4-5 valiums a day to help detox from Ultram, well, thats your choice. The valium is worse for you than the Ultram though. And more dangerous. But anyway, you know there is a problem, you want/need to stop and rehab is not an option for you.
I don't think they would give you valium in rehab to stop Ultram. They would probably give you a low dose if you were quitting alcohol (to stop the shakes) or if on a stronger benzo with a shorter half-life like Xanax or Ativan. Someone can give you a better detox protocol on opiates than I could.
I understand your plight about the trip. I always put it off too..about 100 times..always had some reason. It certainly would be difficult to stop before embarking on some trip, as trips are stressful. But if you like to OD for the trill and take a bunch of valium on top of it, enjoy the trip, because it might be your last. Again, please understand I'm not trying to be mean or anything. But OD'ing for a thrill is a huge cry for help, Liz. Even if you don't realize it.
Liz, listen, I'm not trying to be mean. If you are using 4-5 valiums a day to help detox from Ultram, well, thats your choice. The valium is worse for you than the Ultram though. And more dangerous. But anyway, you know there is a problem, you want/need to stop and rehab is not an option for you.
I don't think they would give you valium in rehab to stop Ultram. They would probably give you a low dose if you were quitting alcohol (to stop the shakes) or if on a stronger benzo with a shorter half-life like Xanax or Ativan. Someone can give you a better detox protocol on opiates than I could.
I understand your plight about the trip. I always put it off too..about 100 times..always had some reason. It certainly would be difficult to stop before embarking on some trip, as trips are stressful. But if you like to OD for the trill and take a bunch of valium on top of it, enjoy the trip, because it might be your last. Again, please understand I'm not trying to be mean or anything. But OD'ing for a thrill is a huge cry for help, Liz. Even if you don't realize it.
Bullwinkle,
Liz DID NOT say that she OD'ed for the "thrill". Please read people's words more carefully in the future. This is a time of crisis for Liz and other people comming here. Your words could cause a great deal of harm.
Catherine
Liz DID NOT say that she OD'ed for the "thrill". Please read people's words more carefully in the future. This is a time of crisis for Liz and other people comming here. Your words could cause a great deal of harm.
Catherine
Some places might give you valium, but the protocol is that other sedative...what is it..
oh yea, phenobarbital. That is what they give you.
You are in a world of hurt. Valuim detox will make ultramm withdrawl seem like a cake walk.
You went from the frying pan into the oven.
I know you are scared, but get some help. CALL YOUR DOCTOR.
oh yea, phenobarbital. That is what they give you.
You are in a world of hurt. Valuim detox will make ultramm withdrawl seem like a cake walk.
You went from the frying pan into the oven.
I know you are scared, but get some help. CALL YOUR DOCTOR.
Liz wrote:
I guess I am wrong. I should probably learn to read or something.
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| Bullwinkle- I know I was taking 50-60 10 mg of Valium because I am an addict and I like to OD; I like the thrill. I know it's a problem.. |
I guess I am wrong. I should probably learn to read or something.
Liz- Kerry (littlebeach) is right. Valium is a pretty tough detox.
You're not wrong Danny.I read the same thing.
That is such a sick statement it makes me angry over it. Once again we have someone who "only" does this and that
ENOUGH already. I dont think its possible to take 500 mgs of valium and survive. If you do you need serious help. You will have a massive seizure coming off that large amount of benzos!
I dont think anyone here can even give you advice about this one. Its too much and you will DIE. if you dont get help
Just my two cents
ENOUGH already. I dont think its possible to take 500 mgs of valium and survive. If you do you need serious help. You will have a massive seizure coming off that large amount of benzos!
I dont think anyone here can even give you advice about this one. Its too much and you will DIE. if you dont get help
Just my two cents
I suspected as much, Tim. :o|
Reddog- 600mg of Valium would be equal to about 30mg of Xanax. Anything over 100mg of Valium (diazepam) is considered a very high high dose. I do know people who have taken 6-9mg of Xanax a day (which would equal to roughly 160mg of Xanax or so (give or take). Usally, people who say they take these ungodly amounts have their dosage incorrect. I'm just taking Liz's word on it. 600mg of Valium is certainly more than enough to kill you. Easily.
Reddog- 600mg of Valium would be equal to about 30mg of Xanax. Anything over 100mg of Valium (diazepam) is considered a very high high dose. I do know people who have taken 6-9mg of Xanax a day (which would equal to roughly 160mg of Xanax or so (give or take). Usally, people who say they take these ungodly amounts have their dosage incorrect. I'm just taking Liz's word on it. 600mg of Valium is certainly more than enough to kill you. Easily.
Reddog:
Every statement we ever made to justify our use was a sick statement.
Sick is sick...no one is "more" sick or "less" sick. Calm down...and offer love, please. No one here has ridiculed you for being an addict, you have only received praise and support. Every story on this forum is not a success story, but we try to help everyone just the same.
Liz knows that she may not be so lucky next time she overdoses...and everyone here knows she is on the edge right now.
Liz...are you still here...can't we start to make some calls together? Do you need some support to pick up the phone? Don't know where to start...maybe let us know where you are and we can post some links to help you.
It is dire, Liz...you really must take an action now. It is time, and I think you know this. What can I do to help?
With sincere concern,
Sarah (not feeling clever)
Every statement we ever made to justify our use was a sick statement.
Sick is sick...no one is "more" sick or "less" sick. Calm down...and offer love, please. No one here has ridiculed you for being an addict, you have only received praise and support. Every story on this forum is not a success story, but we try to help everyone just the same.
Liz knows that she may not be so lucky next time she overdoses...and everyone here knows she is on the edge right now.
Liz...are you still here...can't we start to make some calls together? Do you need some support to pick up the phone? Don't know where to start...maybe let us know where you are and we can post some links to help you.
It is dire, Liz...you really must take an action now. It is time, and I think you know this. What can I do to help?
With sincere concern,
Sarah (not feeling clever)
Thanks for saying that Sarah...I agree with you 110%. We not need judge....who is anyone to judge...thats not what is needed here. I agree redogg....calm down!
Liz...you are in so much pain...your post wreak of it..you are not alone and do not have to go through this alone!
Please email me..I will give you my phone number...I would love it if we could talk. I know that you you don't know me from Adam...but you do...I am exactly like you.....and if I can help...I will...that simple.
Edited to say: Liz is the fight for her life...lets reach out...she just might reach back!! Right...Liz?
I am such a bonehead...I had names confused!! forgive me...I am going to Jodi's thread now!!
Liz...you are in so much pain...your post wreak of it..you are not alone and do not have to go through this alone!
Please email me..I will give you my phone number...I would love it if we could talk. I know that you you don't know me from Adam...but you do...I am exactly like you.....and if I can help...I will...that simple.
Edited to say: Liz is the fight for her life...lets reach out...she just might reach back!! Right...Liz?
I am such a bonehead...I had names confused!! forgive me...I am going to Jodi's thread now!!
Yes, thank you Sarah.
Liz, I don't know you either but if you need me I'm here for you.
Catherine
Liz, I don't know you either but if you need me I'm here for you.
Catherine
Liz,
Sometimes it is easier for others to see what we cannot see about ourselves. Yes, call the doctor and be honest. I have a sister trying to detox off of benzos right now and she told me it is so much worse than pain pills. I'm sorry, but you do have a problem with valium. Normal people do not ingest that many pills. When you do that you throw off your brain chemistry. What goes up must come down. Your anxiety is going to be worse because of what you are doing.
Please get honest with your doctors. You have to stop this insanity or you are going to end up dead. Your child will be without a mom. She needs her mom.
Also, it most certainly IS possible for a person to ingest that much valium and live to tell, but it's like Russian roulette. Valium does build up in your system, so each day is worse than the last.
Reddog, you have gotten nothing but endless support from people here. How about showing some compassion for another addict who is suffering, just like you have been? Is one addict better off because they are only taking 20 pills, instead of 50? Not really. How would you feel if someone questioned you like this, and told you you were sick? Your post sounded very judgemental, and none of us are in a position to judge another addict. Can you empathize at all? That is what people have been doing for you each and every day since you have returned.
I read Liz's post the same way you did, Danny. I took it to mean she is addicted to ODing for the thrill of doing it, and not addicted to valium. Half of that statement may be true. Maybe we all need to read more carefully???
Please reach out Liz, get honest with your doctors. I feel your pain, honey. I know you are suffering. But the only way out is through. A wise person once told me that and it helped a lot. Tackle this head on with full force, and please don't select what you want to tell your doctors. They need to know everything.
Sometimes it is easier for others to see what we cannot see about ourselves. Yes, call the doctor and be honest. I have a sister trying to detox off of benzos right now and she told me it is so much worse than pain pills. I'm sorry, but you do have a problem with valium. Normal people do not ingest that many pills. When you do that you throw off your brain chemistry. What goes up must come down. Your anxiety is going to be worse because of what you are doing.
Please get honest with your doctors. You have to stop this insanity or you are going to end up dead. Your child will be without a mom. She needs her mom.
Also, it most certainly IS possible for a person to ingest that much valium and live to tell, but it's like Russian roulette. Valium does build up in your system, so each day is worse than the last.
Reddog, you have gotten nothing but endless support from people here. How about showing some compassion for another addict who is suffering, just like you have been? Is one addict better off because they are only taking 20 pills, instead of 50? Not really. How would you feel if someone questioned you like this, and told you you were sick? Your post sounded very judgemental, and none of us are in a position to judge another addict. Can you empathize at all? That is what people have been doing for you each and every day since you have returned.
I read Liz's post the same way you did, Danny. I took it to mean she is addicted to ODing for the thrill of doing it, and not addicted to valium. Half of that statement may be true. Maybe we all need to read more carefully???
Please reach out Liz, get honest with your doctors. I feel your pain, honey. I know you are suffering. But the only way out is through. A wise person once told me that and it helped a lot. Tackle this head on with full force, and please don't select what you want to tell your doctors. They need to know everything.
