Hey guys
Good morning. Well I just woke up. I went to the Rockerfeller Center in NY last night and saw the tree. It was wonderful. It was a nice little treat for me. I am soo happy to be where I am today. This magic number one month was a HUGE goal for me. I know now I can do this and every day I get a little stronger.
In regards to that valium post im sorry if i appreaed non empathetic but I get tired of all this pandering to people actively using.A lot of people don't get it.This woman Liz just OD last week,fell down the stairs with her kid and was taken to the hospital.She now comes back on,taking valium and expects us to be symapthetic. It just hit me like a ton of bricks. Like i said a lot of emotions come out during detox. I dont have kids but I could never emaigine losing them as well. So I do care and I hope she gets help. Imean that. But i cant hold her hand if she is actively using and taking toxic legal doeses of valium. Didnt she say she was going on vacation? Priorities. Thats all I will say
I am a very nice person and i care for people. I wont make hardcore comments anymore. But.. sometimes people need to hit their bottm and be scarred into wanting to be clean
Have a good day guys, lots of dtudying to do.
If no one appreciates me anymore over this I can leave the board as well. No problem. I get plenty of face to face support. In NA I have seen guys tear some newbies in half becuse of irrational thoughts.
Red
Red--Congrads
Have a good day
Jeff
Have a good day
Jeff
Hey Jeffrey
Thanks man. You can appreciate what I had to say. You jumped on me once. I like you have good intentions but the person wants to get help not be told its ok. You can take 6000 valiums its fine
NO
Thanks man. You can appreciate what I had to say. You jumped on me once. I like you have good intentions but the person wants to get help not be told its ok. You can take 6000 valiums its fine
NO
Reddog:
Congratulations on 30 days! You are a miracle. I love reading about your journey.
~Rachel
Congratulations on 30 days! You are a miracle. I love reading about your journey.
~Rachel
Thanks Rachel. I just dont want to get jumped on for giving negative feedback on eomone taking lethal doeses of valium and they have kids with them. In theory she should be reported. Thise kids could die if she drove and suffered a seizure.
Now ill leave it at that. I pray she gets help. I mean it
Now ill leave it at that. I pray she gets help. I mean it
Reddog,
If you cannot show love and compassion for other people who are struggling then yes you should go away.
You cannot scare someone into hitting their bottom. You can scare someone so they dont get help and die from this disease.
Catherine
If you cannot show love and compassion for other people who are struggling then yes you should go away.
You cannot scare someone into hitting their bottom. You can scare someone so they dont get help and die from this disease.
Catherine
Dog...
You are a bit ahead of me, so you help keep mestrong.
Keep up the good work!
Jer
You are a bit ahead of me, so you help keep mestrong.
Keep up the good work!
Jer
reddog:
sympathetic: adjective 1 feeling, showing, or expressing sympathy : he was sympathetic toward staff with family problems | he spoke in a sympathetic tone. [ predic. ] showing approval of or favor toward an idea or action : he was sympathetic to evolutionary ideas.
empathy: noun the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
There is a big difference in these two terms. I am not sympathetic to anyone putting their child at risk, or themselves at risk either...but, did you EVER put yourself in a compromising situation...like, let's say, drink and drive?
I know I sure have...yet, while I do not condone it, I can UNDERSTAND how it can happen...maybe reread the meaning of the word EMPATHY. I have taken lethal doses of pills/alcohol many times and not overdosed. Does that make me somehow less sick than Liz, or anyone else for that matter? I know young people who talk about taking 10 or 12 xanax bars at a time.....this is normal Friday night fare in our youth's current culture...does that make them more or less sick than the kid who drank too much beer (possibly only 4 cans) and wrecked his car killing himself and others???
I don't really think any of us have to RIP anyone's anything to be honest here. I think we were talking about delivery...not the message.
Personally, I find your opinion to be kneejerk and not very well thought out. I am not really interested in the debate...but, I will caution you against statements like I know now I can (whatever). None of us know anything except that today we are clean...and hopefully we will make the right choices for tomorrow.
All the while being grateful that "there but for the grace of God, go I".
S.
sympathetic: adjective 1 feeling, showing, or expressing sympathy : he was sympathetic toward staff with family problems | he spoke in a sympathetic tone. [ predic. ] showing approval of or favor toward an idea or action : he was sympathetic to evolutionary ideas.
empathy: noun the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
There is a big difference in these two terms. I am not sympathetic to anyone putting their child at risk, or themselves at risk either...but, did you EVER put yourself in a compromising situation...like, let's say, drink and drive?
I know I sure have...yet, while I do not condone it, I can UNDERSTAND how it can happen...maybe reread the meaning of the word EMPATHY. I have taken lethal doses of pills/alcohol many times and not overdosed. Does that make me somehow less sick than Liz, or anyone else for that matter? I know young people who talk about taking 10 or 12 xanax bars at a time.....this is normal Friday night fare in our youth's current culture...does that make them more or less sick than the kid who drank too much beer (possibly only 4 cans) and wrecked his car killing himself and others???
I don't really think any of us have to RIP anyone's anything to be honest here. I think we were talking about delivery...not the message.
Personally, I find your opinion to be kneejerk and not very well thought out. I am not really interested in the debate...but, I will caution you against statements like I know now I can (whatever). None of us know anything except that today we are clean...and hopefully we will make the right choices for tomorrow.
All the while being grateful that "there but for the grace of God, go I".
S.
Catherine says-you should go away.
and that's loving and compassionate?LOL
Maybe his delivery was a little rough around the edges but you not only attacked him yesterday but Danny also.
Telling some one the truth may save their life.The truth about the consequences of addiction is never going to come across in a way that makes you feel good.
If Liz makes it to rehab,they ARE NOT GOING TO BE GENTLE.
I'm taking my own time out from this BB.I'm personally spending too much time here.My only goal is to help an addict still suffering but I end up spending more time trying to defend myself.I think I can do more good on the outside.
There is some strong recovery here and I hope those people continue to give the message no matter how many people jump on them.
I will come back but I need a break.
Later
and that's loving and compassionate?LOL
Maybe his delivery was a little rough around the edges but you not only attacked him yesterday but Danny also.
Telling some one the truth may save their life.The truth about the consequences of addiction is never going to come across in a way that makes you feel good.
If Liz makes it to rehab,they ARE NOT GOING TO BE GENTLE.
I'm taking my own time out from this BB.I'm personally spending too much time here.My only goal is to help an addict still suffering but I end up spending more time trying to defend myself.I think I can do more good on the outside.
There is some strong recovery here and I hope those people continue to give the message no matter how many people jump on them.
I will come back but I need a break.
Later
I hope that you'll go get your 30 day coin today...you have earned it buddy. It's such a pleasure to come here every day and see your progress. You are a miracle Justin.
Love
Lisa
Love
Lisa
Dog I just came back from a walk. You know I have some Brain damage. Not sure what 600Valium I jumped on you?
That's twice you have brought up the past. I have no idea what I said to. It obviously has touched a nerve. I think you need to get over it.
Like anybody else here I want you to stay sober.
Not everything you here is going to be to your liking. 'IF IT DOES NOT APPLY LET IT FLY" One of my favorite AA quotes.
I guess its just me but until I had a year I was told to stick a sock in my mouth and shut my f-in mouth. Its good advice.
This came from the program. In meetings My first 90 days I was told in Halfway house To shut Up and Listen. Yes in "circle " we were aloud to confront"
And yes if I went to a meeting and had a burning desire of course I should talk.
But basically it was suggested that I knew nothing --my way does not work and Jeff needed to shut up and Listen. Jeff needed to work on JEFF and his character defects.
Dog this was in 1988-89--well now day 6000+ and after 3 rehabs Halfway house god knows how many meetings well DOG I know a little bit about recovery.
Dog the most important promise I made in 1989 was to always help my fellow addict. My sponsor told me if you do not give back to the program you will die.
Anything said to you was in the spirit of helping you.
Dog its another sober day and the Giant game starts in a minute.
Like i said before congrats.
Keep it simple Dog.
Jeff
That's twice you have brought up the past. I have no idea what I said to. It obviously has touched a nerve. I think you need to get over it.
Like anybody else here I want you to stay sober.
Not everything you here is going to be to your liking. 'IF IT DOES NOT APPLY LET IT FLY" One of my favorite AA quotes.
I guess its just me but until I had a year I was told to stick a sock in my mouth and shut my f-in mouth. Its good advice.
This came from the program. In meetings My first 90 days I was told in Halfway house To shut Up and Listen. Yes in "circle " we were aloud to confront"
And yes if I went to a meeting and had a burning desire of course I should talk.
But basically it was suggested that I knew nothing --my way does not work and Jeff needed to shut up and Listen. Jeff needed to work on JEFF and his character defects.
Dog this was in 1988-89--well now day 6000+ and after 3 rehabs Halfway house god knows how many meetings well DOG I know a little bit about recovery.
Dog the most important promise I made in 1989 was to always help my fellow addict. My sponsor told me if you do not give back to the program you will die.
Anything said to you was in the spirit of helping you.
Dog its another sober day and the Giant game starts in a minute.
Like i said before congrats.
Keep it simple Dog.
Jeff
wow. a whole month has gone by. I can't believe how fast time flew.
like cowgirl said, it's such a joy to come to this board & read your posts.
I'm so proud of you. 30 days. Aren't you just super excited???!!!!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
like cowgirl said, it's such a joy to come to this board & read your posts.
I'm so proud of you. 30 days. Aren't you just super excited???!!!!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Thanks Skeet. Im EXTREMELY excited!
woooooooooooo hooooooooooooo
woooooooooooo hooooooooooooo
Skeeter
And im soo very much ready for my accounting final. Its actually easy. I never thought i would say that. I met with the group one last time today for an hour. I smoked em all lol
Nice very nice condiderring I was a huge underdog when I detoxed. I had to make up two chapters, never missed class but my "brain" was not there lol
And im soo very much ready for my accounting final. Its actually easy. I never thought i would say that. I met with the group one last time today for an hour. I smoked em all lol
Nice very nice condiderring I was a huge underdog when I detoxed. I had to make up two chapters, never missed class but my "brain" was not there lol
We are addicts with varying degrees of the sickness....
I for one am in no place to be giving advice about staying sober...for me it been 40 days or so...so with that being said...I offer only support and compassion. I don't feel that I am able to offer anything else at this point...to the suffering addict in active addiction. Perhaps that is something you should think about Red....you very new into your recovery...perhaps you should just not offer advice just yet. Encouragement yeah...but advice....think twice!
Tim...if you take off...I for one will miss you! You always offer such excellent advice and have a sense of humor to boot! So if you have to go for a while I understand...but I won't be happy!
Ok I think I have babbled on long enough...I have got to get going for the day! Painting for a bit...then off to the beach...another beauty day awaits!
I for one am in no place to be giving advice about staying sober...for me it been 40 days or so...so with that being said...I offer only support and compassion. I don't feel that I am able to offer anything else at this point...to the suffering addict in active addiction. Perhaps that is something you should think about Red....you very new into your recovery...perhaps you should just not offer advice just yet. Encouragement yeah...but advice....think twice!
Tim...if you take off...I for one will miss you! You always offer such excellent advice and have a sense of humor to boot! So if you have to go for a while I understand...but I won't be happy!
Ok I think I have babbled on long enough...I have got to get going for the day! Painting for a bit...then off to the beach...another beauty day awaits!
Quite the debate. What ever. I am usually the most empathetic person around but you cant sugar coat this one. Liz has come here numerous times, talking about over medicating, falling down stairs with her child, ODing for the thrill of it, taking massive amounts of Valium, on top of klonopin, on top of sinequan on top of dalmane on top of Ultram. Even OTC stuff..all at the same time. She has inquired about IOP and therapy and cancels the appointments. Her husband doesnt understand her. She has been here for months expressing concern for her child and her inability to cope. This is pretty serious s***. I dont think Reddogs response was harsh. She was here earlier in the week talking about how she took an overdose of drugs, how she then fell down the stairs with her baby, was taken out of her home by paramedics and was concerned CPS would take her child away. Now, how are you going to feel next week when she comes here and says I fell down the stairs after ODing for a thrill again and snapped my babies neck and now shes dead and now I am craving so much. I am going to take a trip to NY because I was told here on the board it was good for the spirit? Reddogs response might have been knee jerk, but it could have been much worse. And CPSs will be when they are finally called, because they will take her child. And at this point, rightly so. Yes, we should have empathy for Liz. And we should have sympathy also. But after months of the repeated behavior, coming here for validation that everything will be OK is simply wrong. Because its not going to be OK. Weve all done things we are not proud of. I certainly have. But at this point, I dont think a gentle nudge is going to help Liz. We are talking about an innocent childs life here. This isnt someone taking historically 4-5 Valiums..this is someone who is taking 6-7 different drugs at one time, in massive doses. IOP wont help. In patient is about the only thing remotely that can help. Anyone who gets a thrill from ODing not only needs serious medical help with the drugs, but also needs some serious psychiatric help.
Sorry, but Reddog came here a month ago, and after failed attempts to get clean, finally is on his way and doing a great job. He has surprised me and a number of others here. I ask you all to take a moment, and look at your own children, whom you love very much. How would you feel if someone who is seriously f***ed up accidentally killed your child? Or any child for that matter? Would you put your arm around them and tell them its ok.? Advise them to take a trip to feel liberated?
You know, this kind of stuff bothers me. A couple of months ago, I was here talking about a blood infection I received from my cat that almost killed me. And a couple of people involved in this thread made a big joke of it..laughed their head off and continued it in other threads. It was a laugh riot. HA HA..HO HO..ya, it wasnt drug related but it brought me closer to death than most people who are alive ever experience. And that was the second time I was sick enough to die. I once even was planning my own funeral. Nice eh? But instead, these same people laughed and laughed and laughed..haha..believe me..I wasnt looking for sympathy or empathy..I was talking about medical stuff..now the same people are acting all concerned that Lizs feeling may be hurt.Reddog and others responses were appropriate in this case.
Maybe Liz will kill her child next week and we all can have a big laugh together. HA HA..HO HO..
Go ahead..attack me and Mods, BAM away..call me wacky, but also call me a child advocate.
Sheesh.
Sorry, but Reddog came here a month ago, and after failed attempts to get clean, finally is on his way and doing a great job. He has surprised me and a number of others here. I ask you all to take a moment, and look at your own children, whom you love very much. How would you feel if someone who is seriously f***ed up accidentally killed your child? Or any child for that matter? Would you put your arm around them and tell them its ok.? Advise them to take a trip to feel liberated?
You know, this kind of stuff bothers me. A couple of months ago, I was here talking about a blood infection I received from my cat that almost killed me. And a couple of people involved in this thread made a big joke of it..laughed their head off and continued it in other threads. It was a laugh riot. HA HA..HO HO..ya, it wasnt drug related but it brought me closer to death than most people who are alive ever experience. And that was the second time I was sick enough to die. I once even was planning my own funeral. Nice eh? But instead, these same people laughed and laughed and laughed..haha..believe me..I wasnt looking for sympathy or empathy..I was talking about medical stuff..now the same people are acting all concerned that Lizs feeling may be hurt.Reddog and others responses were appropriate in this case.
Maybe Liz will kill her child next week and we all can have a big laugh together. HA HA..HO HO..
Go ahead..attack me and Mods, BAM away..call me wacky, but also call me a child advocate.
Sheesh.
Extremely well put! I love it. Everything you said was correct. Like I said i was concerned about the toxicity and the children. I was just in shock. Maybe its tough love whos knows. But we cant sugar coat everything and issue reassurances to people who are not even trying. Thats all. I wont discuss this issue anymore. I learned to not make harsher comments anymore. All I can say is that I am a caring person and I dont want to see people get hurt. Thats all for now on this one
Ya know Danny,I am one of those who ALWAYS tries a soft approach to helping someone.I dont feel tuff love works for all,but in this case I gotta say...for GOD SAKE this Child is really in danger.I pray she checks herself into rehab because I truley believe that may be the ONLY thing that can help.
My heart does go out to her as a fellow addict BUT my heart hurts more for that child.
please for yourself & for that beautiful child GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE HELPED...I truley dont believe outpatient is the way for you
PLEASSE
molly
My heart does go out to her as a fellow addict BUT my heart hurts more for that child.
please for yourself & for that beautiful child GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE HELPED...I truley dont believe outpatient is the way for you
PLEASSE
molly
Bullwinkle:
Hi. I don't believe we have ever posted to one another before. I am Sarah.
I am not sure, but was some or all of that post directed at me? If it is, I would like the opportunity to talk about it.
If we could do that, I would appreciate it.
Sarah
Hi. I don't believe we have ever posted to one another before. I am Sarah.
I am not sure, but was some or all of that post directed at me? If it is, I would like the opportunity to talk about it.
If we could do that, I would appreciate it.
Sarah
Not at all Sarah.
