Jody,
YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
I know how scary it is, especially after being on the Sub for much longer than you originally intended ... but it can be done!!!
And from my experience, you will feel SOOO much better!!!
Baby steps .... just put one foot in front of the other ....
Java the key is to have a support system. Its scary if your all by yourself. I feel bad for all you guys who are struggling with weaning. But JMO a lot of its in your head.
someone taking 12-16 mg can get down to 4mg pretty quickly but ya need help.
Anyway It sucks to read about you guys struggling. I can only tell you my experience and education on suboxone. God knows I was on it for a long time. But for me most of the time it was 4mg or less .8-6-4 was real easy. 4-0 the first time I did it was hard MENTALLY--not W/D--Its like any other drug it plays games with your mind.
I am mentally one tough b****** but God knows without all that therapy AA and my commitment I would have failed. FOR SURE
Jeff
someone taking 12-16 mg can get down to 4mg pretty quickly but ya need help.
Anyway It sucks to read about you guys struggling. I can only tell you my experience and education on suboxone. God knows I was on it for a long time. But for me most of the time it was 4mg or less .8-6-4 was real easy. 4-0 the first time I did it was hard MENTALLY--not W/D--Its like any other drug it plays games with your mind.
I am mentally one tough b****** but God knows without all that therapy AA and my commitment I would have failed. FOR SURE
Jeff
Swizzle & Jeff.....
Thanks so much both of you for your responses. I have fought with this thing so long I dont even know what the right answer is anymore.
I did come off the sub a few times, but far to quickly and obviously never made it very far. (A couple of days before I was back to old habits).
Truth of it is though, I am so fearful. So scared of what everything is going to "feel" like when I come completely off. I just remember back to the times I went cold turkey a couple of years ago, and how miserable I felt for weeks.
I know I have to do this though, and I do look forward to one day saying I am clean from all substances............and your right doing it slowly I do believe is the key.
Going to take this as it comes, and hope for the stamina to stick it out this time.
Big Hugs.
Thanks so much both of you for your responses. I have fought with this thing so long I dont even know what the right answer is anymore.
I did come off the sub a few times, but far to quickly and obviously never made it very far. (A couple of days before I was back to old habits).
Truth of it is though, I am so fearful. So scared of what everything is going to "feel" like when I come completely off. I just remember back to the times I went cold turkey a couple of years ago, and how miserable I felt for weeks.
I know I have to do this though, and I do look forward to one day saying I am clean from all substances............and your right doing it slowly I do believe is the key.
Going to take this as it comes, and hope for the stamina to stick it out this time.
Big Hugs.
Kim are you working with a doctor to get off the remaining 3mg?
Kim you can do anything you put your mind to. Kim if i can do it anybody can. You just need the right support. You have a wonderful family which sure helps. God knows it helped me.
You can do it Kim. Its up to you.
Jeff
Kim you can do anything you put your mind to. Kim if i can do it anybody can. You just need the right support. You have a wonderful family which sure helps. God knows it helped me.
You can do it Kim. Its up to you.
Jeff
Thanks guys,Jeff your words are encouraging!!!! Yes,i "will be" working with my Dr,once i tell him im ready,which is next Thursday!
Ive been on sub 7 months,and for 90% of that time,i havent taken any more than 3 mg in a day,so according to your calculations Jeff,i should be able to be done completley in about 3 months?
Jody,we can do this.I feel exactly like you do,exactly.i originally planned on just a couple weeks,a month,etc....here i am 7 months later......
Thanks to all that have contributed to this post.Ive got a feeling theres going to be alot of us in the same predicament before too long,hopefully we can all learn something from this and from each other!Thank you all~KIM
Ive been on sub 7 months,and for 90% of that time,i havent taken any more than 3 mg in a day,so according to your calculations Jeff,i should be able to be done completley in about 3 months?
Jody,we can do this.I feel exactly like you do,exactly.i originally planned on just a couple weeks,a month,etc....here i am 7 months later......
Thanks to all that have contributed to this post.Ive got a feeling theres going to be alot of us in the same predicament before too long,hopefully we can all learn something from this and from each other!Thank you all~KIM
Morning all!
I did cut back 4mgs! The last two days I thought I would give it a go. I have to say I feel no different....nothing....last night I didn't even realize that I did not take the usual evening dose of 4mg until I was lying in bed going to sleep. I slept like a baby and felt fine when I woke up for the 2nd day in a row. I will continue on the status quo.....
I took 12mgs a day....most days. With me I was taking alot and I mean alot of narcotics...easily close to 30/5mg Oxy a day.....so its not surprising that I was on what I thought was a high dose. I started out taking it 3 times a day....I split the 8mg pills in half....and took them morning noon and night. Then I got to thinking....I that I don't like the idea of taking pills 3 times a day! It reminded me to much of my habit. So, I started taking one 8mg pill in the morning and not give it another thought until around 6 that evening when I would take another half of a 8mg. So its that last dose that I have cut.
Like I said happy to report that its all good. I am going to stay at this dose...1 - 8mg pill once a day in the morning, and get on with my life!
I will cut perhaps another 4mgs in about 2 weeks....maybe less....see if dropping another 4 will effect me. If it does then I will start cutting that 8mg pill in quarters and cut by 2mgs. I think it should be ok.
It nice to take it once a day and get on with things! I feel great....wish me luck on this one guys....I am on a mission!
I did cut back 4mgs! The last two days I thought I would give it a go. I have to say I feel no different....nothing....last night I didn't even realize that I did not take the usual evening dose of 4mg until I was lying in bed going to sleep. I slept like a baby and felt fine when I woke up for the 2nd day in a row. I will continue on the status quo.....
I took 12mgs a day....most days. With me I was taking alot and I mean alot of narcotics...easily close to 30/5mg Oxy a day.....so its not surprising that I was on what I thought was a high dose. I started out taking it 3 times a day....I split the 8mg pills in half....and took them morning noon and night. Then I got to thinking....I that I don't like the idea of taking pills 3 times a day! It reminded me to much of my habit. So, I started taking one 8mg pill in the morning and not give it another thought until around 6 that evening when I would take another half of a 8mg. So its that last dose that I have cut.
Like I said happy to report that its all good. I am going to stay at this dose...1 - 8mg pill once a day in the morning, and get on with my life!
I will cut perhaps another 4mgs in about 2 weeks....maybe less....see if dropping another 4 will effect me. If it does then I will start cutting that 8mg pill in quarters and cut by 2mgs. I think it should be ok.
It nice to take it once a day and get on with things! I feel great....wish me luck on this one guys....I am on a mission!
Way to go, Kerri!
You've such a positive attitudeand strong program of recovery -- I know you'll be able to taper off sub in time. Just, from what I've heard, take it real slow. (But I'm sure you know that already.)
You really are an inspiration -- and you make me laugh, which I always appreciate.
Love,
Gina
You've such a positive attitudeand strong program of recovery -- I know you'll be able to taper off sub in time. Just, from what I've heard, take it real slow. (But I'm sure you know that already.)
You really are an inspiration -- and you make me laugh, which I always appreciate.
Love,
Gina
You're so cool KeeKee....I love reading your posts. I hope everyone else that's on sub has the same attitude as you...I think for you and Kim, the difference is that you go to AA/NA. It's helping with the mental part of Sub. You go girl...
Jody,i feel the same as you.It is scary,but getting off the pain pills was scary too.The difference is...at least for me...i feel ive finally gotten myself together,and the thought of losing that scares me to death.Does it mean i have to stay on sub the rest of my life just to not relapse and go back to that living hell? I sure hope not.
Keekee,good for you! My son has told me the same thing,going from like 12 to 8 is almost unnoticeable,its when you get down to the smaller amounts that it gets tough.But...you have to start somewhere and youve made the first moves,good for you! I hope the next cut will be just as easy for you.
I talked to my counselor yesterday,i told her im ready.I told her Thursday when i see the dr that i will be telling him the same thing.I explained that my intentions were never to have taken it this long,it just seemed to happen that way.
Her response is to protect my sobriety at all corners and i agree.I will take it slow,go back if needed,but i honestly feel i'll be one of the lucky ones and will not have alot of turmoil at the end,like i told her"my mouth thinks so,lol...i just hope my body and brain follow suit!"
May god watch over all of us!~KIM
Keekee,good for you! My son has told me the same thing,going from like 12 to 8 is almost unnoticeable,its when you get down to the smaller amounts that it gets tough.But...you have to start somewhere and youve made the first moves,good for you! I hope the next cut will be just as easy for you.
I talked to my counselor yesterday,i told her im ready.I told her Thursday when i see the dr that i will be telling him the same thing.I explained that my intentions were never to have taken it this long,it just seemed to happen that way.
Her response is to protect my sobriety at all corners and i agree.I will take it slow,go back if needed,but i honestly feel i'll be one of the lucky ones and will not have alot of turmoil at the end,like i told her"my mouth thinks so,lol...i just hope my body and brain follow suit!"
May god watch over all of us!~KIM
Thank you ladies!! The support that I get here is important! I need it. Lisa you are so right, without the program of AA/NA I would be terrified. I mean that literally. The fellowship has given me such confidence...I know that I never have to go through any of this alone. I am accountable not only to myself but to the wonderful people that I have on my side. They won't tell me what I want to hear but rather what I need to hear!
Kim you can do this too.....I strongly suggest while you are tapering to either up your therapy sessions or maybe go meetings...nothing whatsoever to loose and everything to gain!
I couldn't wait until my Doctors appointment...whats the point, I know that I am tapering with or without his blessing. I know that he is in charge.....however I think he will be with me on this one. Lets hope....he is one tough cookie! I see him sometimes at meetings so he knows what I am up to! Damn...no place to hide on this Island! Big Island....small town!
Gina...I am happy that I can make you laugh....now I know you are laughing with me? Right? LOL...not at me....LOL....
You are pretty funny....you always make me laugh too! Without laughter...I would die....I need it....its not hard to find....mostly I do laugh at myself! I am such a dork!
Kim you can do this too.....I strongly suggest while you are tapering to either up your therapy sessions or maybe go meetings...nothing whatsoever to loose and everything to gain!
I couldn't wait until my Doctors appointment...whats the point, I know that I am tapering with or without his blessing. I know that he is in charge.....however I think he will be with me on this one. Lets hope....he is one tough cookie! I see him sometimes at meetings so he knows what I am up to! Damn...no place to hide on this Island! Big Island....small town!
Gina...I am happy that I can make you laugh....now I know you are laughing with me? Right? LOL...not at me....LOL....
You are pretty funny....you always make me laugh too! Without laughter...I would die....I need it....its not hard to find....mostly I do laugh at myself! I am such a dork!
We're all a bunch of dorks KeeKee...you run in a good crowd. :p
Lisa, This poster refers to business meetings, which I hate. NOT 12 step meetings.
Hey you know it's how hard do you want to work at it. I have a friend who takes sub and believe me he needed it. I think he was taking about 4- orange pills per day for about 4 months and now Jimmy only takes one. He's been on for about 6 months or so. He doesn't have any ill effects and has more energy and wit than he has had in 5 years while he was on methadone and smack. So, i guess the deal was to get down to a manageable does soon. he did do that...i don't know what dosage one pill is, but it seems to work for him...
LOL...Gina, I knew what you meant.
Hey, meetings aren't for everyone, I think we've beat that one to death but it works if you work it, no matter what you choose.
Hey, meetings aren't for everyone, I think we've beat that one to death but it works if you work it, no matter what you choose.
Hi bikeman, one little orange pill is 8mg. Your friend was on the highest dose allowed. I know each of us is different so it really depends on what works best for the individual. I know some that took way more pills than I did and got by easily on 6 or 8mgs.
Congrats to your friend. Addiction sucks....suboxone for me was key, that and the program of AA/NA. I know that without sub...I probably wouldn't have done that AA route....well maybe eventually but it would have been a much longer and more painful process!
I commend anyone for taking responsibility for there addiction problems and working hard to get a strong recovery program and then living it. Daily...it is after all a lifestyle...just like active addiction was.
Cheers!
Congrats to your friend. Addiction sucks....suboxone for me was key, that and the program of AA/NA. I know that without sub...I probably wouldn't have done that AA route....well maybe eventually but it would have been a much longer and more painful process!
I commend anyone for taking responsibility for there addiction problems and working hard to get a strong recovery program and then living it. Daily...it is after all a lifestyle...just like active addiction was.
Cheers!
Kee Kee, That is some great news :) and Kim as always thanks for your kind words.
After reading this thread over and over I have decided it is time for me to do something for myself as well, and quit sitting around hoping it will jump into my lap.
Today I am happy to say I have completed the day on only 4mg's of sub........:) I feel good, so far. But, I am aware of the long half life of sub, so I dont know if it will take a few days for any ill effects to kick in. If they do, I think they will be minimal.
I made an appt today with an addiction phsychologist in my area, I had to wait about 10 days to get in, but I have made it this far, I can wait..........I am a little nervous about it, but I have finally realized if I dont get honest with a Dr./Physiciatrist, How in the world can I expect them to help me?
Feeling better, and have some hope right now.
Bike man..........Always good to see you :)
Hugs.
After reading this thread over and over I have decided it is time for me to do something for myself as well, and quit sitting around hoping it will jump into my lap.
Today I am happy to say I have completed the day on only 4mg's of sub........:) I feel good, so far. But, I am aware of the long half life of sub, so I dont know if it will take a few days for any ill effects to kick in. If they do, I think they will be minimal.
I made an appt today with an addiction phsychologist in my area, I had to wait about 10 days to get in, but I have made it this far, I can wait..........I am a little nervous about it, but I have finally realized if I dont get honest with a Dr./Physiciatrist, How in the world can I expect them to help me?
Feeling better, and have some hope right now.
Bike man..........Always good to see you :)
Hugs.
kee kee:
awesome mama! attitude is everything! and yours is in the right place.
you are gonna do just fine!
peace.
sarah
awesome mama! attitude is everything! and yours is in the right place.
you are gonna do just fine!
peace.
sarah
Jodi! Hi you...its been a long time since we have chatted. I am so happy that you are taking the bull by the horns! Good for you girl!
When its time...its time...today is my third day cutting 4mgs...I feel nothing different. I realize that that a high jump but I am also at what I consider to be high dose.
To me, its all in the mind...its a real nice crutch to have but its time to get tough with this bull crap and take back the power to get through the day completely independent of medicine!
Nice to see you honey!
When its time...its time...today is my third day cutting 4mgs...I feel nothing different. I realize that that a high jump but I am also at what I consider to be high dose.
To me, its all in the mind...its a real nice crutch to have but its time to get tough with this bull crap and take back the power to get through the day completely independent of medicine!
Nice to see you honey!
Kee Kee...........Hey you. Wow, I have missed you girl :)
We can do this together. Something over the last couple of days has come over me, and I KNOW it is time to move on. I felt like the past 6 months I was at a complete standstill. Everyday I would get up with intentions of cutting down my dose, but it NEVER happened.
But.........Like I said, I just feel like I am ready to do it. So, Why not go for it right? I am going to take it nice and easy, I dont want to get in a hurry and sabotage this.
Making the Physiciatrist appt. was also a HUGE step for me.........I am ready to go though, nervous but ready.
You sound so good, and I have no doubt you are going to do wonderful......Thankfully, you realized it was time to taper down much sooner than I did, and I know if anyone can do it, you sure can :)
We have to keep in touch on this..........I need all the help I can get :)
Javagirl1976@hotmail.com................Anytime for you girl.
Love ya's.
We can do this together. Something over the last couple of days has come over me, and I KNOW it is time to move on. I felt like the past 6 months I was at a complete standstill. Everyday I would get up with intentions of cutting down my dose, but it NEVER happened.
But.........Like I said, I just feel like I am ready to do it. So, Why not go for it right? I am going to take it nice and easy, I dont want to get in a hurry and sabotage this.
Making the Physiciatrist appt. was also a HUGE step for me.........I am ready to go though, nervous but ready.
You sound so good, and I have no doubt you are going to do wonderful......Thankfully, you realized it was time to taper down much sooner than I did, and I know if anyone can do it, you sure can :)
We have to keep in touch on this..........I need all the help I can get :)
Javagirl1976@hotmail.com................Anytime for you girl.
Love ya's.
Jodi...I am smiling ear to ear! I am really happy for you. I know this won't be easy but it doesn't necessarily have to be difficult. For me...I have noticed that I have been feeling a bit....FLAT...for lack of a better term.
Like most everyone else here I have had a cold and the flu and one bug after the next which may have contributed. However....its just this feeling that I have deep inside that is singing to me....the "flatness" is a direct result of the sub.
It was so amazing in the beginning and took all craving and there was no w/d. That in itself was such a blessing. What it has done is given me some time to heal. I have and the program has helped immensely!
I want my own personality back pre pain pills. I want to be able enjoy a chilling cold beer on a Sunday afternoon....like I used to. I have never been a huge drinker...but I did enjoy an occasional brew! I don't have the same passion for food! My beloved food...preparing, cooking and eating it! You know what I mean? Now I just eat to sustain....and a the thought of a cold beer makes me gag! Its not even the beer itself..its just that I don't have an umph!
Its not like it was while abusing pain meds...but truth be known...its not far away....I feel medicated....I don't want to feel that way. Perhaps I am getting way way ahead of myself...but my gut tells me I am not!
You are so brave...what a huge leap to make that appointment. Yes we can and will do this! With me...like anything I have to learn patience....I want it all...and I want it now!
I am here for you anytime big fat hugs!
hope199@gmail.com
Like most everyone else here I have had a cold and the flu and one bug after the next which may have contributed. However....its just this feeling that I have deep inside that is singing to me....the "flatness" is a direct result of the sub.
It was so amazing in the beginning and took all craving and there was no w/d. That in itself was such a blessing. What it has done is given me some time to heal. I have and the program has helped immensely!
I want my own personality back pre pain pills. I want to be able enjoy a chilling cold beer on a Sunday afternoon....like I used to. I have never been a huge drinker...but I did enjoy an occasional brew! I don't have the same passion for food! My beloved food...preparing, cooking and eating it! You know what I mean? Now I just eat to sustain....and a the thought of a cold beer makes me gag! Its not even the beer itself..its just that I don't have an umph!
Its not like it was while abusing pain meds...but truth be known...its not far away....I feel medicated....I don't want to feel that way. Perhaps I am getting way way ahead of myself...but my gut tells me I am not!
You are so brave...what a huge leap to make that appointment. Yes we can and will do this! With me...like anything I have to learn patience....I want it all...and I want it now!
I am here for you anytime big fat hugs!
hope199@gmail.com
