Hi Guys,
Can you tell me please why inject in the groin and not the arms and is it better or worse - not that there is any better but you know what I mean.
k
..Hey Jazwan..
..I,ve never used needles meself..but i know some used to inject in the groin or anywhere else they could find a clean vein..as they could'nt find a vein that was'nt f***** up (blown) from over injectng in the arms..or some do it in the groin so that the track marks won't show in the arms..maybe jack or someone else can enlighten you more..hope ya well jazwan..take care..Robbie..
..I,ve never used needles meself..but i know some used to inject in the groin or anywhere else they could find a clean vein..as they could'nt find a vein that was'nt f***** up (blown) from over injectng in the arms..or some do it in the groin so that the track marks won't show in the arms..maybe jack or someone else can enlighten you more..hope ya well jazwan..take care..Robbie..
Cheers Robbie,
I'm always okay I take the whatever will be will be path and I think timing has a lot to with finding a way through the madness when it's his time things will work out. Right now we're stuck with medical stuff but We'll find a way.
I've tried asking about the groin thing - arms are good, veins are good i know he injects in his feet sometimes but all he said was - can't a man have any privacy - it just bothered me a bit.
k
I'm always okay I take the whatever will be will be path and I think timing has a lot to with finding a way through the madness when it's his time things will work out. Right now we're stuck with medical stuff but We'll find a way.
I've tried asking about the groin thing - arms are good, veins are good i know he injects in his feet sometimes but all he said was - can't a man have any privacy - it just bothered me a bit.
k
I was a pretty expert injector - my veins were pathetic to begin with, but I made them last for years. When you repeatedly hit a vein, you get scar tissue, and eventually the vein becomes impossible to hit. When you inject 4 or 5 times a day, every day, for years, you have to be inventive. I could find veins that most people don't even know they had. I could inject in the soles of my feet, in my finger tips, on the palm of my hand. For a while I had none that I could hit on my own, and would make a 50 mile round trip for a friend to inject me under my arm. That one was a real banger - could never have got it on my own, but it took about 2 secs for the drug to hit my brain, and it was a big vein so the lot could go in very quick, rather than the trickle I could get in to the tiny veins I was used to using. I tried in my neck a few times, but that made me shudder. Just the thought of it. I avoided the groin area, coz you get it wrong, it's easy to hit an artery, and then it can be a case of Goodnight Vienna.
Incidently, I haven't injected in the main vein in my left arm for about 4 years, coz that was the first one to go, and I went for blood test the other day, and it hasn't recovered at all. It's still impossible to hit. The veins on my hands are now visible again, coz when you're hammering your veins, they sink and refuse to pop up even with a tourniquet. But I think that's in response to having so much extra blood in my system, due to the brand new human being I'm growing in my womb. I reckon if I tried to hit one of them they'd just blow up.
But as for choosing veins on the basis of getting a better hit, the bigger the vein, the quicker it gets to your brain, but for most IV users, they're just happy if they can get it in any vein, coz as long as it goes in a vein, it will all get to your brain eventually. If you miss, apart from it hurting like f***, and getting a big swelling, and those bits of rotting skin, it's more or less wasted, coz you don't feel the effects of the heroin.
hope that helps
Diff xxx
Incidently, I haven't injected in the main vein in my left arm for about 4 years, coz that was the first one to go, and I went for blood test the other day, and it hasn't recovered at all. It's still impossible to hit. The veins on my hands are now visible again, coz when you're hammering your veins, they sink and refuse to pop up even with a tourniquet. But I think that's in response to having so much extra blood in my system, due to the brand new human being I'm growing in my womb. I reckon if I tried to hit one of them they'd just blow up.
But as for choosing veins on the basis of getting a better hit, the bigger the vein, the quicker it gets to your brain, but for most IV users, they're just happy if they can get it in any vein, coz as long as it goes in a vein, it will all get to your brain eventually. If you miss, apart from it hurting like f***, and getting a big swelling, and those bits of rotting skin, it's more or less wasted, coz you don't feel the effects of the heroin.
hope that helps
Diff xxx
I never went near the groin or the neck. - Thats just becuse I never had to . I was always able to use both arms and wrists . I guess one would use the place that you felt would give you the least amount of trouble.
I knew this guy ,Gypsy,was his name ,a real oldtimer, he died of aids when he was in his 60,s -1/2 his life in prison- you all know the type.
He got off in his groin so often it finally became infected and abcessed. It was the only place for him to go where he could even draw blood up.
I always said if it came to the groin or neck ,I would never do it. Well as luck my have it ,I never had to and at this point the odds are I never will.
I dont really know what place is the most dangerous or the most likely to cause major problems but I would think that the groin ,although easy for some people, is not one of the better places-
That being said, there is no good place to stick a dull needle with an unknown amount of dope , usually drawn thru a dirty peice of cotton into your body.
Sure sounds attractive ,doesnt it?
jack
I knew this guy ,Gypsy,was his name ,a real oldtimer, he died of aids when he was in his 60,s -1/2 his life in prison- you all know the type.
He got off in his groin so often it finally became infected and abcessed. It was the only place for him to go where he could even draw blood up.
I always said if it came to the groin or neck ,I would never do it. Well as luck my have it ,I never had to and at this point the odds are I never will.
I dont really know what place is the most dangerous or the most likely to cause major problems but I would think that the groin ,although easy for some people, is not one of the better places-
That being said, there is no good place to stick a dull needle with an unknown amount of dope , usually drawn thru a dirty peice of cotton into your body.
Sure sounds attractive ,doesnt it?
jack
Thanks Guys and Girls
That helps
actually it's really damn depressing ,he isn't injecting gear it's his methadone script into his groin. I think maybe it's so it doesn't show, maybe it's just easier to do when he goes to the toilet whatever it isn't half putting me off sex.
k
That helps
actually it's really damn depressing ,he isn't injecting gear it's his methadone script into his groin. I think maybe it's so it doesn't show, maybe it's just easier to do when he goes to the toilet whatever it isn't half putting me off sex.
k
Injecting his methadone script? Sounds dodgy as hell to me. I know you can get injectable methadone, but the oral stuff is a sugary syrup in most cases, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to inject that. Says she, who had the bright idea of ramming a subutex down the barrell of a needle, sucking up a load of hot water, giving it a good shake and then using brute force and ignorance to get the semi solid mass into a vein!!! (don't do it - it hurt like a mutha, and my whole arm swelled up). Like Jack said, we who regularly used to stick unknown substances into our veins via blunt and dubious needles (well, it looks a bit like the one I used yesterday, but then again, half the junkies in town have deposited their dirty needles in this bin, that I'm now raiding, because I've got no clean needles and I need a hit...) don't have much room to talk when it comes to health and safety!
love
Diff xxx
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Diff xxx
Diff,
No he uses amps injectable methadone you can't drink it like the syrup he can't take the syrup because of other medical stuff. Babe that was tongue in cheek wasn't it you aren't back on the gear again??
k
No he uses amps injectable methadone you can't drink it like the syrup he can't take the syrup because of other medical stuff. Babe that was tongue in cheek wasn't it you aren't back on the gear again??
k
Hiya, no, I'm still on the straight and narrow... I think if I had a hit now, it'd finish me off. I've had a hectic day. Had a filling at the dentist this morning, went shopping for stuff for the new house (which I still can't move into - builders still haven't finished - I'm just praying that I'm in well before Xmas) and then went to the Dr's to get the results of some blood tests I had last week. Apparantly I'm anaemic, have a thyroid problem and a lung infection, so it's not surprising I'm feeling a bit under the weather. Now I'm on a damage limitation exercise with a drunk and disorderly boyfriend. Fortunately he's passed out, so I can get a bit of peace till he wakes up. We had a big fall out on Sunday, after I found him unconscious on the pavement, after he'd gone missing for several hours. Then he did usual and went ballistic on me, and I ended up spending half the night sleeping in the car down at the docks. Only went home when the law woke me up, and decided to perform a search on me and my vehicle - they never forget! Finally got the apology on Monday night. He couldn't remember what he'd done, but he knew it was bad!! Fortunately he's been mostly loved up tonight (mostly... but still needs handling with kid gloves) so we've had no major disasters so far. Roll on my new house - I've got enough to cope with without having to p**** foot round him!
love
Diff xxx
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Diff,
I'd sooner row the pussyfooting now that is major stress. My man back chipping but he's looking better. We're going to Lapland in 2 weeks to see Santa. This year has been way better but still issues next year will be good for all of us me thinks.
k
I'd sooner row the pussyfooting now that is major stress. My man back chipping but he's looking better. We're going to Lapland in 2 weeks to see Santa. This year has been way better but still issues next year will be good for all of us me thinks.
k
Hiya, there's no point arguing with a drunk man. Apart from losing all sense of reason, he can't remember the row the next day. And there's always the risk he'll batter me. I believe in self-preservation! Before I was pregnant, I'd take my chances, but the protective instinct kicks in. I'm working on a two pronged attack. For me, I'm doing all I can to move out, to be safe, to be relaxed, to be independant. And I also work as peacekeeper, for my baby and my dog. I see the bigger picture, the long term view. I have a vision of how things are going to work out, and it's all going to happen, it's just taking a frustratingly long time. The house is mine, but I just can't move into it yet.
And him? Well, he'll be left wondering how I managed to slip from his fingers, when he kept such a tight grip. So I smile, I keep the peace, I lull him into the sense of security he thinks he's established. All of a sudden, the tables will turn, and he won't even know how it happened. Coz he has no clue how strong I am, how smart I am. I'm more than happy to lose the battle to win the war - a concept he cannot grasp. You give someone enough rope, and they'll tie it around their neck and do a running jump. Bottom line? I'm not a doormat, but I'll put up with being treated like one, because I already know the outcome. He thinks he's got a blinding hand, but I already know I hold all the cards. I get my own home, I get our child, the dog, and I have the world at my feet. I believe in myself. He'll be left with the bundle of insecurities he started with, a huge void that I used to fill, and a broken heart to boot. You choose your own path. you make your own luck. I'm not worried. He'll reap what he sowed. It ain't my responsibility.
love
Diff xxx
And him? Well, he'll be left wondering how I managed to slip from his fingers, when he kept such a tight grip. So I smile, I keep the peace, I lull him into the sense of security he thinks he's established. All of a sudden, the tables will turn, and he won't even know how it happened. Coz he has no clue how strong I am, how smart I am. I'm more than happy to lose the battle to win the war - a concept he cannot grasp. You give someone enough rope, and they'll tie it around their neck and do a running jump. Bottom line? I'm not a doormat, but I'll put up with being treated like one, because I already know the outcome. He thinks he's got a blinding hand, but I already know I hold all the cards. I get my own home, I get our child, the dog, and I have the world at my feet. I believe in myself. He'll be left with the bundle of insecurities he started with, a huge void that I used to fill, and a broken heart to boot. You choose your own path. you make your own luck. I'm not worried. He'll reap what he sowed. It ain't my responsibility.
love
Diff xxx
Get on wit your bad self there Diff.
Sounding stronger than ever.
My mom told me to never bother to argue with a drunken man. Honestly. My bio sperm person she was married to was an alcoholic. She said they're all drunk and come in and wake you up and want to fight, and well let's just say my mom's not the fighting type. Scorpio. They wait it out. Get you later.
Once I came though I was only a few months old and he started back one night not coming home. My mom gave him a hot foot, and called my Pop's and off we went and never saw him again. Alot of wasted time she said fighting with a drunken man. Protective instinct told her get me the heck out of that crib and out of Dodge. LOL I thank her for that because I wound up with the best dad in the world, and actually I'd thank bio man as he left me the heck alone. Did me a huge favor.
Carry on my lady in waiting. I'm all excited for you.
Sounding stronger than ever.
My mom told me to never bother to argue with a drunken man. Honestly. My bio sperm person she was married to was an alcoholic. She said they're all drunk and come in and wake you up and want to fight, and well let's just say my mom's not the fighting type. Scorpio. They wait it out. Get you later.
Once I came though I was only a few months old and he started back one night not coming home. My mom gave him a hot foot, and called my Pop's and off we went and never saw him again. Alot of wasted time she said fighting with a drunken man. Protective instinct told her get me the heck out of that crib and out of Dodge. LOL I thank her for that because I wound up with the best dad in the world, and actually I'd thank bio man as he left me the heck alone. Did me a huge favor.
Carry on my lady in waiting. I'm all excited for you.
Bryn, check out the "smack" post from John on the H board...what is this person Alison talking about DF's and blues? I'm curious cuz it sounds like more drugs to get off of heroin...just don't want a newbie to get bad info....
Hi, DF's are dihyracodeine (sp) I believe. Well they're some sort of weak opiate, as opposed to strong opiates like methadone and morphine. You can chase them on the foil, or so I've been told, but have never done it myself. And blues are 10mg benzodiazapines, valium, if you like. Called blues, because they're, well, blue. As opposed to yellows, which are the 5mg valium. And you're right, there's not much point in taking up benzos to give up opiates, because apart from normally not working, coz they are different drugs, there's not much nastier than a benzo cluck. Again, so I've been told, but I've never had a benzo habit. I have been prescribed benzos on and off over the years, but I've never used them to the point where I got a habit. I guess us drug addicts get into the mindset of answering a crisis with a drug. Sometimes, even now, I do take the odd 5mg valium, coz I just need "something" to get me through the night, coz I have a load of much worse things running round my head. I think that's that hardest thing about recovery - low tolerance to emotional pain, and the need to do something instant to make it go away. Sometimes, I just can't take it. I used to self harm a lot before I got into drugs, and when things get too much, I really have an almost uncontrollable urge to self harm. And then I'm left with a load of horrible scars to hide (I can't do anything by halves). So when I really feel like I can't cope, I'd rather take a small amount of valium, just once in a blue moon, than wake up the following morning with a load of cuts, regretting it like mad. I'm doing pretty well, but I've got further to go.
love
Diff xx
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Diff xx
Hello..Jazwan..the vein i think yer man is goin for in his groin is the fermoral..ive never turned on on that spot..my arms&hands usually got the most attention..also as they say i had pretty good wiring,.I do know of a few x.drug freinds who could only get a hit in that area.So its not unusual..nice..innit.Take care...Davey
Davey my friend nice it ain't,
He's chipping again elastic bands nearly killed my hoover he says they're for his hair at least we can laugh about it.
He's chipping again elastic bands nearly killed my hoover he says they're for his hair at least we can laugh about it.
Jazwan,i didnt mean it literally..the nice bit that is,yer fella is askin for a bit of privacy..the reason for this maybe is when yer hitting in the groin you have to do it in a standing position..so maybe he"s a bit self concious of you seeing him with his keks down&trying to find that vein..just a thought.Take care...Davey
Davey - I didn't take it literally -
I think he hits his methadone in his groin because he does it when he goes to the toilet and he can do that pretty much anywhere when he's working, travelling on a train I think he thinks it's a lot easier to drop his kegs than removing
t shirts, sweat shirts etc.
Privacy that man gets loads of privacy we both do, cuz we believe that privacy is about respect and about trust and I know everyone says you can't trust an addict but if I didn't trust him I couldn't love him. I don't like what he does but I respect his right to do it and he doesn't steal or lie so it's hard but it's okay.
Take care
k
I think he hits his methadone in his groin because he does it when he goes to the toilet and he can do that pretty much anywhere when he's working, travelling on a train I think he thinks it's a lot easier to drop his kegs than removing
t shirts, sweat shirts etc.
Privacy that man gets loads of privacy we both do, cuz we believe that privacy is about respect and about trust and I know everyone says you can't trust an addict but if I didn't trust him I couldn't love him. I don't like what he does but I respect his right to do it and he doesn't steal or lie so it's hard but it's okay.
Take care
k
Hi K, I do sometimes struggle to understand how you do what you do. I know that if I was in your situation, I'd walk away. Maybe that's because I'm a recovering addict, and I know that I just can't go there. I worked too hard to get away from it. I just don't like to see you getting hurt. I know addiction is a disease, but it's bulls*** to say that the addict has no choice. Sometimes the addict doesn't realise he/she has a choice, but again, I think that's wishful thinking. It's always a choice. It's easy to over-complicate things. The only way I got clean was by simplifying things, and owning up to the fact that the mess I'd got into was because of choices I'd made, and the way to get out of it was to make better choices.
sorry to be harsh my dear.
love
Diff xxxx
sorry to be harsh my dear.
love
Diff xxxx
Diff,
You are not harsh my dear.
I could walk away of course I could it's my choice but I always think we have people in our lives to make our lives better and the bottom line is he makes me happy.
I've never gone down the i can make him get clean road. I've been out with enough rats to know that i could never make them nicer people so this is no different. And the situation could be worse we both work in the film tv industry and many producers actors directors get into all sorts of drugs for many it ruins their careers - smack isn't part of that fashionable stardom thing the way that charlie is but when the money runs out it's where they go, where he went.
He uses his own money and he doesn't mix with dealers or other users his dealer is a woman - they go for coffee. And he has his own flat so he never uses in my home except methadone.
I'm sure you wouldn't walk away being where you've been you know you aren't a bad person many addicts aren't some are s***s but that's because they're s***s anyway when they're clean.
It is a disease but there is always the choice to quit the truth is if you stay with them you have to lose any hope that they'll quit and love them for what they are just don't buy any pension plans together and accept that you can't save for retirement cuz they sure as hell aren't going to live that long.
I know deep down if he quits today that he's really shortened his life already.
The money thing is hard also but he has his and I have mine and he gives me what he can.
love
k
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You are not harsh my dear.
I could walk away of course I could it's my choice but I always think we have people in our lives to make our lives better and the bottom line is he makes me happy.
I've never gone down the i can make him get clean road. I've been out with enough rats to know that i could never make them nicer people so this is no different. And the situation could be worse we both work in the film tv industry and many producers actors directors get into all sorts of drugs for many it ruins their careers - smack isn't part of that fashionable stardom thing the way that charlie is but when the money runs out it's where they go, where he went.
He uses his own money and he doesn't mix with dealers or other users his dealer is a woman - they go for coffee. And he has his own flat so he never uses in my home except methadone.
I'm sure you wouldn't walk away being where you've been you know you aren't a bad person many addicts aren't some are s***s but that's because they're s***s anyway when they're clean.
It is a disease but there is always the choice to quit the truth is if you stay with them you have to lose any hope that they'll quit and love them for what they are just don't buy any pension plans together and accept that you can't save for retirement cuz they sure as hell aren't going to live that long.
I know deep down if he quits today that he's really shortened his life already.
The money thing is hard also but he has his and I have mine and he gives me what he can.
love
k
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