Now I repect you even more. My son, who is 11, loves Dream theater I took him to see Rush earlier this year and they are now his second favourite band not bad for eleven eh! .
Danny
Now I repect you even more. My son, who is 11, loves Dream theater I took him to see Rush earlier this year and they are now his second favourite band not bad for eleven eh! .
Now I repect you even more. My son, who is 11, loves Dream theater I took him to see Rush earlier this year and they are now his second favourite band not bad for eleven eh! .
Neon, my son (who is now 18) was brought to a Yes concert when he was 8. We sat second row, right in the center, and Jon Anderson kept waving to him. I guess it touched Jon in a way to see a youngster like that, after being in the business for so long. Now my son is a true fan. I guess you have to start them young..
Hello Neon & Danny,
Wow, you two got lucky. I get stuck going to see: NSync, 98 Degrees, Hilary Duff lololololol. I guess I didn't raise my daughters right lololol. Actually, they listen to all kinds of music, but Pop is their favorite. We all like Van Morrison, Into the Mystic, is a great song (infact all of his music is great ;o) ). Now my son, who is 15yrs old, he likes Green Day, Yellow Card etc., so my husband and I don't mind that music. My husband LOVES Rush, it's a little too hard for me lololol. I can listen to Yes, and grew up with them. Well you both have a great day. Take care, Best Wishes
Danny,
I have been on Valium 5mg for a couple years, I have been breaking the tablets in half occassionally, to see how I feel. I take them once a day, at bedtime. So if you were to recommend a taper, would you say, continue to break them in 1/2 for a couple weeks, then a 1/4 ? I will not be seeing my Family Doctor for awhile (he is out of town for a couple months, family health problems). I have also taken Xanax, prior to the Valium. My Family Doctor switched me to Valium, for some reason. I cannot believe how far you have come, GREAT JOB!!!! Take care, Best Wishes
Neon,
You have been around for awhile, always supportive and encouraging ;o). I know you have been "clean" for awhile. Would you mind telling me a little about your story ;o), only if you have time. Thank you, Take care, Best Wishes
Wow, you two got lucky. I get stuck going to see: NSync, 98 Degrees, Hilary Duff lololololol. I guess I didn't raise my daughters right lololol. Actually, they listen to all kinds of music, but Pop is their favorite. We all like Van Morrison, Into the Mystic, is a great song (infact all of his music is great ;o) ). Now my son, who is 15yrs old, he likes Green Day, Yellow Card etc., so my husband and I don't mind that music. My husband LOVES Rush, it's a little too hard for me lololol. I can listen to Yes, and grew up with them. Well you both have a great day. Take care, Best Wishes
Danny,
I have been on Valium 5mg for a couple years, I have been breaking the tablets in half occassionally, to see how I feel. I take them once a day, at bedtime. So if you were to recommend a taper, would you say, continue to break them in 1/2 for a couple weeks, then a 1/4 ? I will not be seeing my Family Doctor for awhile (he is out of town for a couple months, family health problems). I have also taken Xanax, prior to the Valium. My Family Doctor switched me to Valium, for some reason. I cannot believe how far you have come, GREAT JOB!!!! Take care, Best Wishes
Neon,
You have been around for awhile, always supportive and encouraging ;o). I know you have been "clean" for awhile. Would you mind telling me a little about your story ;o), only if you have time. Thank you, Take care, Best Wishes
hey bob i got suckered into decorating today not my favorite bah humbug
i like the new country haven't been listening that long but i am a diehard classic rock kind of man take care hope we can all get together one night wondering if we should let the women meet might be a bad thing for us guys
i like the new country haven't been listening that long but i am a diehard classic rock kind of man take care hope we can all get together one night wondering if we should let the women meet might be a bad thing for us guys
bad, I saw the eagles in their reunion tour....
I had the best time....
kerry
Can I come? I usually haven't ever been that great with women, I am more comfortable around the men. I am not a husband stealer, but I like the guys better...LOL...
Kerry again.
I had the best time....
kerry
Can I come? I usually haven't ever been that great with women, I am more comfortable around the men. I am not a husband stealer, but I like the guys better...LOL...
Kerry again.
Best, I love Rush too. My oldest likes all these new bands. I feel like an old man sometimes when I listen to it. Now I know why our parents all said TURN IT DOWN when we were kids. It gives me a headache..and I THOUGHT I was open to this newer music.
I know exactly why your Doc switched you to Valium. It has a much longer half life. You don't need to take as much, the WD is longer though but less severe. I don't care what anyone says..I think Xanax is the drug from hell. It should be outlawed. Valium is a much better alternative and does the same thing. As far as a taper, you can ONLY do that with your Doctor. It's not like a pain med. You can (and probably will) go into a seizure otherwise. Thats why I recommend a SLOWWWWW taper. It really depends on your height/weight/state of mind. I mean, I made a BIG mistake coming of Xanax without my Doc knowing. Ya, I was in a rehab for four days. It should of been four weeks. I got through it but to say it was weird is to put it mildly. It's also not like a pain med where you have this "physical" urge or even a mental craving. It's just that benzo's react chemically with your brain, and basically "put's it to sleep" so to speak. And it takes a while for your brain to wake up, and when it does...WHOAAAA...talk about sensory overload..certainly not trying to scare you..just want you NOT to just quit on your own, and realize it takes a long while..I posted the Ashton link somewhere else today..this is an EXCELLENT read for anyone on benzo's and anyone thinking of taking one. Best- if you put your mind to it, you can do it. Unlike a pain med though, you absolutely cannot do it unless under the care of a Doctor..
http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/
I know exactly why your Doc switched you to Valium. It has a much longer half life. You don't need to take as much, the WD is longer though but less severe. I don't care what anyone says..I think Xanax is the drug from hell. It should be outlawed. Valium is a much better alternative and does the same thing. As far as a taper, you can ONLY do that with your Doctor. It's not like a pain med. You can (and probably will) go into a seizure otherwise. Thats why I recommend a SLOWWWWW taper. It really depends on your height/weight/state of mind. I mean, I made a BIG mistake coming of Xanax without my Doc knowing. Ya, I was in a rehab for four days. It should of been four weeks. I got through it but to say it was weird is to put it mildly. It's also not like a pain med where you have this "physical" urge or even a mental craving. It's just that benzo's react chemically with your brain, and basically "put's it to sleep" so to speak. And it takes a while for your brain to wake up, and when it does...WHOAAAA...talk about sensory overload..certainly not trying to scare you..just want you NOT to just quit on your own, and realize it takes a long while..I posted the Ashton link somewhere else today..this is an EXCELLENT read for anyone on benzo's and anyone thinking of taking one. Best- if you put your mind to it, you can do it. Unlike a pain med though, you absolutely cannot do it unless under the care of a Doctor..
http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/
i don't have a problem kerry you are more than welcome catch the redeye
Danny,
Thank you so much for all of the information, website and your "insight". I will definately go off with my Dr.'s supervision. I feel very lucky to have information from someone who has done it, thank you again. CONGRADULATIONS, I cannot imagine how you did it. It sounds like you were very determined. Although I do not know how long you have been off of the Xanax. Can you tell me what some of the benefits are, being off of it? I take it too sleep, and during the day, it helps me to have no panic attacks, now it makes sense too me, it does stay in my system all day. I do not want to be on if forever, but since I "use", I do not know the benefits of going off. Other than maybe a "clearer mind", which would be GREAT!!! I am currently working on beginning to go off of Percocet, for back pain, so that will come first. I am hoping within a couple of months, to begin tapering off of the Valium. Thank you again. I know you are busy with your family today, but whatever info. you have re: how you are feeling now without the Xanax, would be great ;o). Whenever you have the time to post it is fine, I have 3 kids, so I know they keep you busy lololol. Take care, Best Wishes
Thank you so much for all of the information, website and your "insight". I will definately go off with my Dr.'s supervision. I feel very lucky to have information from someone who has done it, thank you again. CONGRADULATIONS, I cannot imagine how you did it. It sounds like you were very determined. Although I do not know how long you have been off of the Xanax. Can you tell me what some of the benefits are, being off of it? I take it too sleep, and during the day, it helps me to have no panic attacks, now it makes sense too me, it does stay in my system all day. I do not want to be on if forever, but since I "use", I do not know the benefits of going off. Other than maybe a "clearer mind", which would be GREAT!!! I am currently working on beginning to go off of Percocet, for back pain, so that will come first. I am hoping within a couple of months, to begin tapering off of the Valium. Thank you again. I know you are busy with your family today, but whatever info. you have re: how you are feeling now without the Xanax, would be great ;o). Whenever you have the time to post it is fine, I have 3 kids, so I know they keep you busy lololol. Take care, Best Wishes
Hi Bestwishes
Thanks for your kind words, I dont mind telling part of my story but do fear it will be a little boring for those who have read it before. You mention that I have been clean a while, I do consider myself clean most of the time but as you will see from my story not all will see it that way. I am learning to enjoy myself and love life and have realised that I have, in the past, been a little defensive which was threatening to jeopardise my struggle for sobriety.
I was once clean for 15 years after previously drinking/drugging very heavily every day but unfortunately fell off the wagon at the age of 40. I was prescribed some pain pills a while ago and within days I was abusing them dreadfully. It was like I had never had 15 years that devil waited a long time before rocked me to sleep and into a drug induced stupor. After a months of failing at Cold turkey many times (never getting past day 3) I was offered Subutex, which I took for 6 weeks then jumped off and was off pain pills for a few weeks. However that was not the end of it..Thing is I was drinking again, in my madness I figured a few drinks would help me off the pills but when I got off the Sub the drinking got worse. Then I started taking pain pills again because I could not cope with the pain I was suffering.
I told my drugs Dr this and he ordered me to stop working (I am a registered nurse) but refused to put me on Sub because I was drinking. He wanted me to go into a detox centre to dry out. I was drinking at least 4 bottles of wine and beers or at least bottle of vodka a day. Sub and booze dont mix very well; I am told it is quite dangerous. That explains why I once ended up in the ER with respiratory difficulties after boozing when taking sub.
The thought of residential detox scared the crap out of me, I could not leave my family for even a few days, but the ultimatum (tough love) of loosing my job woke me up. So I stopped drinking there and then. I was told not to and that it was dangerous but I ignored them and just stopped. I had no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever, and consider myself very lucky but stupid. So I went back to the Drugs agency told them I had stopped but still needed help with pain pills. They tested me for alcohol and consulted with my pain Dr. I have a very painful condition that non narcotic drugs or other therapies does not seem to touch.
They decided that to go back to work as a nurse they could not allow for any further relapses also it was not practical for me to keep having time off with pain. I was adamant that this was it and with a little help I would be fine. This upset my wife a littleshe had begged me for ages to stop but as soon as my *precious* job was threatened I would stop. I can see her point but she never gave ultimatums. So the Drs said they want me on Sub long term. Probably indefinably. I agreed and that is where I am now. I take it, I have a clear head, lots of energy and feel 25 again lol. My pain has all but disappeared, Sub was originally used for good pain relief in the form of Temgesics. I also have nil cravings. The Drs want me to stay on the sick for a few more weeks until they are convinced I am stabilized. I am having regular tests for alcohol and opiates and if they stay clear I can go back nursing praise God.
I am not advocating Sub is for everyone and I know that to fundamental AA thinkers what I am doing sounds like heresy. I do battle with guilt about it on occasion but in the final analysis I am pain free, able to work and long-term use of Sub does little harm to the body long term. It is my way of getting through and if I dont do it basically I have been told I cannot go back to work. I am happy to stay on it a while then hopefully revisit the issue in maybe 6 months. My advise to anyone would be try everything else first especially AA/NA and if all fails you have a backup plan. I forgot to mention I pick it up daily from the pharmacy so I dont start abusing it and I also see an addictions councillor who sees right through me and really challenges my diseased thinking. Its not an ideal situation but works for me and I am in control. I have only told fraction but that will do for now I must say that God has played the most important in bring me into sobriety and thankfully spared my life and given me another chance.
thanks for listening
Paul
Thanks for your kind words, I dont mind telling part of my story but do fear it will be a little boring for those who have read it before. You mention that I have been clean a while, I do consider myself clean most of the time but as you will see from my story not all will see it that way. I am learning to enjoy myself and love life and have realised that I have, in the past, been a little defensive which was threatening to jeopardise my struggle for sobriety.
I was once clean for 15 years after previously drinking/drugging very heavily every day but unfortunately fell off the wagon at the age of 40. I was prescribed some pain pills a while ago and within days I was abusing them dreadfully. It was like I had never had 15 years that devil waited a long time before rocked me to sleep and into a drug induced stupor. After a months of failing at Cold turkey many times (never getting past day 3) I was offered Subutex, which I took for 6 weeks then jumped off and was off pain pills for a few weeks. However that was not the end of it..Thing is I was drinking again, in my madness I figured a few drinks would help me off the pills but when I got off the Sub the drinking got worse. Then I started taking pain pills again because I could not cope with the pain I was suffering.
I told my drugs Dr this and he ordered me to stop working (I am a registered nurse) but refused to put me on Sub because I was drinking. He wanted me to go into a detox centre to dry out. I was drinking at least 4 bottles of wine and beers or at least bottle of vodka a day. Sub and booze dont mix very well; I am told it is quite dangerous. That explains why I once ended up in the ER with respiratory difficulties after boozing when taking sub.
The thought of residential detox scared the crap out of me, I could not leave my family for even a few days, but the ultimatum (tough love) of loosing my job woke me up. So I stopped drinking there and then. I was told not to and that it was dangerous but I ignored them and just stopped. I had no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever, and consider myself very lucky but stupid. So I went back to the Drugs agency told them I had stopped but still needed help with pain pills. They tested me for alcohol and consulted with my pain Dr. I have a very painful condition that non narcotic drugs or other therapies does not seem to touch.
They decided that to go back to work as a nurse they could not allow for any further relapses also it was not practical for me to keep having time off with pain. I was adamant that this was it and with a little help I would be fine. This upset my wife a littleshe had begged me for ages to stop but as soon as my *precious* job was threatened I would stop. I can see her point but she never gave ultimatums. So the Drs said they want me on Sub long term. Probably indefinably. I agreed and that is where I am now. I take it, I have a clear head, lots of energy and feel 25 again lol. My pain has all but disappeared, Sub was originally used for good pain relief in the form of Temgesics. I also have nil cravings. The Drs want me to stay on the sick for a few more weeks until they are convinced I am stabilized. I am having regular tests for alcohol and opiates and if they stay clear I can go back nursing praise God.
I am not advocating Sub is for everyone and I know that to fundamental AA thinkers what I am doing sounds like heresy. I do battle with guilt about it on occasion but in the final analysis I am pain free, able to work and long-term use of Sub does little harm to the body long term. It is my way of getting through and if I dont do it basically I have been told I cannot go back to work. I am happy to stay on it a while then hopefully revisit the issue in maybe 6 months. My advise to anyone would be try everything else first especially AA/NA and if all fails you have a backup plan. I forgot to mention I pick it up daily from the pharmacy so I dont start abusing it and I also see an addictions councillor who sees right through me and really challenges my diseased thinking. Its not an ideal situation but works for me and I am in control. I have only told fraction but that will do for now I must say that God has played the most important in bring me into sobriety and thankfully spared my life and given me another chance.
thanks for listening
Paul
Hi Paul,
Great post thanks for sharing. Glad your doing well, hope to chat with ya' soon.
Hope this holiday season is good to ya',
Take care.......................................God bless......................................Bob
Great post thanks for sharing. Glad your doing well, hope to chat with ya' soon.
Hope this holiday season is good to ya',
Take care.......................................God bless......................................Bob
Best-The benefit of going off is eventually you will have to. I came to realize my brain was put to sleep on them. I was on them for 7 years, and have been off for 17 weeks. I was just sitting there one day, looked at my wife and said I'm stopping these and NOW..and she picked up the keys and drove me to detox. She was so happy. I don't have the slightest craving for them or really even think about it in the least. Except to advise people on them. The reason? Because the withdrawls were just SO hard. It's not something I would wish on my worst enemy. I've given a lot of guidence on the "Other Drugs" board here to people that are going through what I did. To say I crash landed is a laugh. Not only did I crash, it dug a pit about 1000 feet deep. This is no pain pill kind of thing. As you read the Ashton manual, you will see. And everyone I know who quit CT went through what I did. I advise to quit the pain pill stuff first, make sure you are healthy there, and when YOU feel ready, then begin the Valium. And do it oh so SLOWW..DON'T do both at once..I also quit Zoloft ct at the same time..another big mistake (guess I make a lot hehe). So finish up with the pain pills and then make up your mind about the Valium. You just need to be in the frame of mind. If you do it slow, you won't experience what I did, fortunately. Good thing is, I'd never take one again. Panic is all gone. In fact, the only thing I panic about is being addicted to anything else. Pain Med people, read the Ashton manual..your eyeballs will fall out of your head. If you want more details about the wd's, I'd be happy to tell..but it's not for the faint of heart..and EVERYONE goes through it...
PS- I've gone through the hardest year of my life, when I SHOULD have panic. It wasn't until I quit them that I didn't.
PS- I've gone through the hardest year of my life, when I SHOULD have panic. It wasn't until I quit them that I didn't.
Neon,
Thank you very much for your story. It sounds like you are doing good. I have also dealt with pain. Sometimes felt it was suicide/or pain management. I chose pain management. I am glad you have been successful with Sub. I think we are only accountable to ourselves (and our higher being). And with pain, you also have to live and be comfortable enough to be happy. Not very many of us can live in bed, which may help with some illnesses. And you being a nurse, I can't imagine the hours and effort you must put in. I am so happy for you. You have really worked hard to get where you at ;o). Thanks again for sharing. Have a nice evening. Keep us posted on when you go back to work, and enjoy the time you have off. Take care, Best Wishes
Danny,
Thanks for the post and the suggestions. I am going to start with the pain meds, and work towards getting off of the Valium. And I am sure I will do the Valium real slow.... The information website you gave me will really help. I am encouraged by the thought of a "clear head" and the other benefits. I cannot believe what you have done within a few months also. You must really be a different person (inside and outside). Well I am off to finish the Christmas tree with family, and cook dinner. I am trying to get everything done before I start going off meds on Monday night. One day at a time ;o). Thanks again. Take care, Best Wishes
Bob,
Hello...... I hope you are having a nice evening ;o). I will talk to you soon. Give my best to "G". Take care, Best Wishes
Thank you very much for your story. It sounds like you are doing good. I have also dealt with pain. Sometimes felt it was suicide/or pain management. I chose pain management. I am glad you have been successful with Sub. I think we are only accountable to ourselves (and our higher being). And with pain, you also have to live and be comfortable enough to be happy. Not very many of us can live in bed, which may help with some illnesses. And you being a nurse, I can't imagine the hours and effort you must put in. I am so happy for you. You have really worked hard to get where you at ;o). Thanks again for sharing. Have a nice evening. Keep us posted on when you go back to work, and enjoy the time you have off. Take care, Best Wishes
Danny,
Thanks for the post and the suggestions. I am going to start with the pain meds, and work towards getting off of the Valium. And I am sure I will do the Valium real slow.... The information website you gave me will really help. I am encouraged by the thought of a "clear head" and the other benefits. I cannot believe what you have done within a few months also. You must really be a different person (inside and outside). Well I am off to finish the Christmas tree with family, and cook dinner. I am trying to get everything done before I start going off meds on Monday night. One day at a time ;o). Thanks again. Take care, Best Wishes
Bob,
Hello...... I hope you are having a nice evening ;o). I will talk to you soon. Give my best to "G". Take care, Best Wishes
Well everyone, I just listen to a song by U2 called "Sometimes you can't make it on your own". WOW- Talk about hitting home.
Here are the lyrics:
Tough, you think you've got the stuff
You're telling me and anyone
You're hard enough
You don't have to put up a fight
You don't have to always be right
Let me take some of the punches
For you tonight
Listen to me now
I need to let you know
You don't have to go it alone
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you when I don't pick up the phone
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
We fight all the time
You and I...that's alright
We're the same soul
I don't need...I don't need to hear you say
That if we weren't so alike
You'd like me a whole lot more
Listen to me now
I need to let you know
You don't have to go it alone
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you when I don't pick up the phone
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
I know that we don't talk
I'm sick of it all
Can - you - hear - me - when - I -
Sing, you're the reason I sing
You're the reason why the opera is in me...
Where are we now?
I've got to let you know
A house still doesn't make a home
Don't leave me here alone...
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you that makes it hard to let go
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
Sometimes you can't make it
The best you can do is to fake it
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
Here are the lyrics:
Tough, you think you've got the stuff
You're telling me and anyone
You're hard enough
You don't have to put up a fight
You don't have to always be right
Let me take some of the punches
For you tonight
Listen to me now
I need to let you know
You don't have to go it alone
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you when I don't pick up the phone
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
We fight all the time
You and I...that's alright
We're the same soul
I don't need...I don't need to hear you say
That if we weren't so alike
You'd like me a whole lot more
Listen to me now
I need to let you know
You don't have to go it alone
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you when I don't pick up the phone
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
I know that we don't talk
I'm sick of it all
Can - you - hear - me - when - I -
Sing, you're the reason I sing
You're the reason why the opera is in me...
Where are we now?
I've got to let you know
A house still doesn't make a home
Don't leave me here alone...
And it's you when I look in the mirror
And it's you that makes it hard to let go
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
Sometimes you can't make it
The best you can do is to fake it
Sometimes you can't make it on your own
Danny,
I love U2, do you know which CD this is from? Is it a new or an older song? I can't think of which one this is. Brain freeze lololo. Great song and lyrics, thanks for sharing. Take care, Best Wishes
I love U2, do you know which CD this is from? Is it a new or an older song? I can't think of which one this is. Brain freeze lololo. Great song and lyrics, thanks for sharing. Take care, Best Wishes
Best- It's from the new album How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb..I SWEAR, I just started to cry like a little baby when I heard it..Bono really puts emotion into it..
Danny,
Thanks for the info, I haven't heard anything from that CD. I will have to keep my ears open. I LOVED their last CD, every song. I haven't had a CD for years, that I loved every song. I am glad that "Bono" touched your heart, he has that way with his music. What a great band. I know that when I am going through W/D's, I have my MP3 player ready. I cannot watch TV or read, I just take baths, walks and listen to music. And of course, CRY !!!! Well, I can't forget about the computer, that's something I can do. Even if I am shaking, and I may not make much sense. But it helps me get my mind off of my body symptoms. Have a great night ;o). Take care, Best Wishes
P.S. Enjoy, the Music...........
Thanks for the info, I haven't heard anything from that CD. I will have to keep my ears open. I LOVED their last CD, every song. I haven't had a CD for years, that I loved every song. I am glad that "Bono" touched your heart, he has that way with his music. What a great band. I know that when I am going through W/D's, I have my MP3 player ready. I cannot watch TV or read, I just take baths, walks and listen to music. And of course, CRY !!!! Well, I can't forget about the computer, that's something I can do. Even if I am shaking, and I may not make much sense. But it helps me get my mind off of my body symptoms. Have a great night ;o). Take care, Best Wishes
P.S. Enjoy, the Music...........
Hi Best wishes, its me Mitzy.long time no hear.i am happy to see that you are ok and hope you and the kids are doing great, happy holidays and e-mail mer anytime, at (jasmine49@comcast.net) i miss talking with you on the phone, call me sometime... i will e-mail u my p# if needed, love Mitzy
