Hi. As some of you know I have been taking sub for 6 weeks to get off of a massive oxy habit. Before this I would occassionally take valium and xanax as needed, which was every couple of days unless something sh*tty was happening, then I would take them as directed 3 times per day.
I stopped the benzos when I entered the sub clinic because they told me that was the rules. It was really no problem to stop because I was rarely using them. But now, I'm using them. I need to.
First of all, I can't eat unless I take them. I'm 5'2 and 100lbs. Can't afford to lose anymore weight. Second, I'm having major issues in my life. Relationship problems with my angry husband and much, much more. My heart is hurting bad. I am so sad and mostly hysterical. I simply cannot seem to go without them. I take less than prescribed and it seems to be enough to keep me functioning. I dread the thought of taking an AD because I hate the way they make me feel and I have tried several in the past.
I have heard taking sub and benzos is dangerous. Is this true? What are the risks? Right now I feel I have no other options.
I thank God for the sub because if I wasn't on it, I'd be chewing up oxys right now.
Any advice about sub and benzos would be greatly appreciated. I have to log off now but will check back later.
Thank you my friends, Atlas
Dump the benzos. They're worse to get off of than opiates. Don't start a new addiction.
Atlas, of course Sub and Benzo's are very dangerous when taken together. Girl, get your butt in to your Sub doctor and let him know what is going on in your life. I know it is a bad time of year, but this shall pass. Just try to get along with your angry husband the best that you can for now. We are here for you.
I took under doctors prescrition while on sub Ativan for the 3 weeks i was on sub. I didnt get addicted to it. It helped me relax a little. But im off everything now for 22 days. I could not be any happier!
So i dont think benzos and sub are dangerous, why would my dr have given me ativan?
Oh well i dont take anything now lol. Im happy@
So i dont think benzos and sub are dangerous, why would my dr have given me ativan?
Oh well i dont take anything now lol. Im happy@
Hi Atlas,
Yes it is dangerous to mix sub and benzo's, but it is not uncommon for them to be taken together. What a contradiction in terms.
I know this from what the addiction counsellor told me husband, perscribing them to anyone suffering from addiction is the first part of the problem......Because then they can't ensure that they will be taken as directed all the time. And that in turn will open up a chance for something bad happening. Sub can dangerously increase the drowsiness effects of benzo's...... When my husband was sent to the shrink, his addiction counsellor recommended a specific doctor for just the fact that he never perscribes benzo's.
If your doctor perscribing you the sub doesn't know you are on them you need to chat with him. There are other ways, many non pill.....It isn't always an AD, sometimes it is just a matter of letting someone in and trusting enough to let go of the pain you feel
This is scary to me. I have seen some really bad effects of mixing sub with other things.
You have to talk to your doctor, tell him of what is going on in your life......From there you have to focus on you, and keep yourself well. Try not to let the bulls*** of the day get in your way. If you are using them as a means to cope you know where that will lead.....
I hope that life calms down for you soon....
Take care,
Love,
Tina
Yes it is dangerous to mix sub and benzo's, but it is not uncommon for them to be taken together. What a contradiction in terms.
I know this from what the addiction counsellor told me husband, perscribing them to anyone suffering from addiction is the first part of the problem......Because then they can't ensure that they will be taken as directed all the time. And that in turn will open up a chance for something bad happening. Sub can dangerously increase the drowsiness effects of benzo's...... When my husband was sent to the shrink, his addiction counsellor recommended a specific doctor for just the fact that he never perscribes benzo's.
If your doctor perscribing you the sub doesn't know you are on them you need to chat with him. There are other ways, many non pill.....It isn't always an AD, sometimes it is just a matter of letting someone in and trusting enough to let go of the pain you feel
This is scary to me. I have seen some really bad effects of mixing sub with other things.
You have to talk to your doctor, tell him of what is going on in your life......From there you have to focus on you, and keep yourself well. Try not to let the bulls*** of the day get in your way. If you are using them as a means to cope you know where that will lead.....
I hope that life calms down for you soon....
Take care,
Love,
Tina
Atlas.
i havent see you post lately .I was wondering about you.I may have just been missing your post ..Anyways,My Sub. doctor has said that it is dangerous also,i have the Rx advisor i get from the pharmacy . you dont one from your pharmacy?...it states that it is dangerous could cause seiziers,and heart promblems .I would go back and talk with my doctor about this..He should beable to give you something different ..Take care,crystal
i havent see you post lately .I was wondering about you.I may have just been missing your post ..Anyways,My Sub. doctor has said that it is dangerous also,i have the Rx advisor i get from the pharmacy . you dont one from your pharmacy?...it states that it is dangerous could cause seiziers,and heart promblems .I would go back and talk with my doctor about this..He should beable to give you something different ..Take care,crystal
Thanks everyone. My sub Dr. is an a**hole. I told him about panic attacks and he told me to breathe in a paper bag. No f*cking kidding. It's AD or nothing with him. I will probably be booted from the sub clinic for taking the benzos anyway. I have been weening down my super-sized dose anyway. It's getting near time to start getting off of it anyway. I'm not in the right frame of mind, but I don't want my sub addiction to get any deeper. I just don't don't know what to do. The mental agony I am experiencing is too much to handle. I would rather be taking benzos and able to eat and work than freaking out and being 5 lbs. away from an anorexic. I know I need counseling and marriage counseling but in 6 weeks I have still not made my move to get any. It sucks. I just don't want to stop the benzos and go crazy, but I don't want to take a flying leap off of sub at 8mg and I dont want to have a seziure from the mixing. I have noticed that I need less benzos than ever before because the sub intensifies the effect. This is about 20% of my problems, I still have to cope with the rest. It's hard. I'm so sad. I hate this. Thanks everyone for responding.
Atlas:
How long have u been takn xanax. Please don't just stop them w/o tapering or drs help. I did that and ended up in psych ward for 3 days. I had seizures, was unconscious and they didn't kno if i would wake up. I could have died!
That said, I wont take an anti depressant either. Just me. I wont.
My husband and I have issues too, I am going to counseling, he was (w/me) and now isn't
So not only are we in recovery but we have to try to fix what we damaged along the way. Slowly, slowly I hope we get it back but it is gonna take hard work and struggling to get there HARD WORK? I am soooo tired a lot of the time...but gotta hang in there.
Good Luck Lilypad
How long have u been takn xanax. Please don't just stop them w/o tapering or drs help. I did that and ended up in psych ward for 3 days. I had seizures, was unconscious and they didn't kno if i would wake up. I could have died!
That said, I wont take an anti depressant either. Just me. I wont.
My husband and I have issues too, I am going to counseling, he was (w/me) and now isn't
So not only are we in recovery but we have to try to fix what we damaged along the way. Slowly, slowly I hope we get it back but it is gonna take hard work and struggling to get there HARD WORK? I am soooo tired a lot of the time...but gotta hang in there.
Good Luck Lilypad
Just for the record I can go days/weeks w/o the benzos. I only use them if I am hysterical or have not eaten in days. I love all of you guys. I'm going to bed. Atlas
Hi Atlas, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time. I have no experience with sub so I may be way off base here. If I am just ignore me, lol.
I do know when we get clean we have sort of this rush of emotions that we've been numbing for a long time. Learning to deal with life without pills is quite an adventure and not always an easy one. We do learn, though.
It's not easy living with a negative spouse, I can easily attest to that. Just keep in mind your recovery is for you! Put yourself first and continue to work on you.
We can't change others, only ourselves and how we percieve things.
My heart goes out to you.
Oh, I've always been underweight too and have had to fight to gain. I understand that is no easy thing either.
You have my compassion.
Love, Kat
I do know when we get clean we have sort of this rush of emotions that we've been numbing for a long time. Learning to deal with life without pills is quite an adventure and not always an easy one. We do learn, though.
It's not easy living with a negative spouse, I can easily attest to that. Just keep in mind your recovery is for you! Put yourself first and continue to work on you.
We can't change others, only ourselves and how we percieve things.
My heart goes out to you.
Oh, I've always been underweight too and have had to fight to gain. I understand that is no easy thing either.
You have my compassion.
Love, Kat
Goodnite Atlas.
Doesn't seem like u would suffer unduly from w/d if you could stop the benzos.
Sorry I wasn't sure how much u were taking.
I wish I could help you with the weight thing but I have the opposite problem lol
Good Luck and God Bless You
Doesn't seem like u would suffer unduly from w/d if you could stop the benzos.
Sorry I wasn't sure how much u were taking.
I wish I could help you with the weight thing but I have the opposite problem lol
Good Luck and God Bless You
Atlas, according to the protocols I use, you should be taken off Sub.
Not being to eat to the point of your significant weightloss is a contraindication for buprenorphine therapy.
You really need to make a change here. Benzos and Bupe are a dangerous combination.
Not being to eat to the point of your significant weightloss is a contraindication for buprenorphine therapy.
You really need to make a change here. Benzos and Bupe are a dangerous combination.
Thanks to all of you. It's so nice that I can log on here and have friends. I only have one good girlfriend where I live. The rest are scattered across the country. I went to my friend's house last night and told her my story. The whole story...the oxys...the sub...my latest problems and she of course already knows about my husband's Jekyll/Hyde personality. My husband is about 50/50 Jekyll/Hyde...hers is 96 Hyde so she can relate. This is a girl who went through a kinda major surgery and told the doctors she could handle the pain just fine w/ ibup. She would have to be on her deathbed to take a pill, she hates the way they make her feel. Good for her. She was SHOCKED about my drug use. She said things like "How can you take 30 percs in a day and not DIE?" Good question. "How did I not know? You seemed fine."
Anyway, it's pretty clear to me that I need to get off sub ASAP. Does anyone know if I get a script for just the naloxone will that be beneficial? I have a feeling that in my frame of mind I could be tempted to use and it would be comforting to know that if I did it would have no effect. Are there any other drugs that block the effects of opiates and /or reduce cravings?
Thank you all so much. Your support means alot to me. Love, Atlas
Anyway, it's pretty clear to me that I need to get off sub ASAP. Does anyone know if I get a script for just the naloxone will that be beneficial? I have a feeling that in my frame of mind I could be tempted to use and it would be comforting to know that if I did it would have no effect. Are there any other drugs that block the effects of opiates and /or reduce cravings?
Thank you all so much. Your support means alot to me. Love, Atlas
Hi Atlas,
I haven't posted in awhile, but read yours and wanted to at least share what was going on with me on the subject.
Today is day 11 without suboxone. I had been on it 2 years to the day. My jump was basically from 4mg. to 0mg. as I had overdone what I should have been taking. My Dr. now knows a great deal about drugs, esp. opiods, benzos, etc. To get me through the worst, he gave me a script of 15 lorazepam, 5 mg.,(benzo??), and they worked to pull me through the worst of my (ongoing) detox.
I still get night sweats, changing my shirt 2-3 times a night. My sneezing is horrendous! I don't feel "right", but do feel a little better everyday. I wonder if I'll ever feel "normal" again....and everyone keeps telling me "YES". But how long will it take!?
Stay with your Doc's plan as he probably knows more than many who would have you do something different. At least get another Dr's. opinion on the subject if what you're doing isn't working for you.
You've shown a lot of courage to change. Keep it up!
S
I haven't posted in awhile, but read yours and wanted to at least share what was going on with me on the subject.
Today is day 11 without suboxone. I had been on it 2 years to the day. My jump was basically from 4mg. to 0mg. as I had overdone what I should have been taking. My Dr. now knows a great deal about drugs, esp. opiods, benzos, etc. To get me through the worst, he gave me a script of 15 lorazepam, 5 mg.,(benzo??), and they worked to pull me through the worst of my (ongoing) detox.
I still get night sweats, changing my shirt 2-3 times a night. My sneezing is horrendous! I don't feel "right", but do feel a little better everyday. I wonder if I'll ever feel "normal" again....and everyone keeps telling me "YES". But how long will it take!?
Stay with your Doc's plan as he probably knows more than many who would have you do something different. At least get another Dr's. opinion on the subject if what you're doing isn't working for you.
You've shown a lot of courage to change. Keep it up!
S
Dear S,
Congradulations on 11 days!!!! That's great, and thanks for sharing your story. I am currently on Suboxene. I have been on it for about 4 months. I am tapering 2mg every 2 weeks. I am having some light w/d's, mostly fatigue. Did your head feel "foggy"? I am also tapering off of 1 Valium a day, by a 1/4 a week. My Dr. is supervising my taper. I admire your courage. I hope you are feeling better soon. Keep us posted. Take care, Best Wishes
Congradulations on 11 days!!!! That's great, and thanks for sharing your story. I am currently on Suboxene. I have been on it for about 4 months. I am tapering 2mg every 2 weeks. I am having some light w/d's, mostly fatigue. Did your head feel "foggy"? I am also tapering off of 1 Valium a day, by a 1/4 a week. My Dr. is supervising my taper. I admire your courage. I hope you are feeling better soon. Keep us posted. Take care, Best Wishes
Hellcat, You are a brave angel and I hope you feel better soon. My Dr. is an a** and I want to get off of this ASAP. I have cut down from 12mg to 8mg and today I might try 4mg and see how I feel. You will get better soon, a bit each day. You are in my thoughts. Atlas
Atlas you might want to consider oral Naltrexone (Revia) for 6 months
Silent Buddha,
Could you please tell us what that is??
Does it work for pain????
i tried something called Stadol spray one time which was said to be a non narcotic for pain but it made me so screwed up and high, and STILL in pain...i was too scared to even use it again.., wasnt a pleasant feeling at all....threw it out, and it was expensive too.........
Hugs,
Ali
Could you please tell us what that is??
Does it work for pain????
i tried something called Stadol spray one time which was said to be a non narcotic for pain but it made me so screwed up and high, and STILL in pain...i was too scared to even use it again.., wasnt a pleasant feeling at all....threw it out, and it was expensive too.........
Hugs,
Ali
