Hey all,
Anyone take both Suboxone and an AD? Last couple of times I went in to see my doctor to check how I was doing on the suboxone he asked me about AD's. I have been on a couple of different ones over the years, but to be perfectly honest about it I was always actively using when I was taking them. At one point I remember radpidy (1 -2 weeks) tapering off of what I was on because I had read somewhere that it would reduse the effects of the hydrocodone..... Smart, huh?
Anyway, I am beginning to wonder if one might help. I just have no damn motivation for anything. I am NOT having thoughts of using. I know I am done with that s*** for good. I play the tape back in my head and KNOW I won't go back there, but I am having a hell of a time with my mood and getting motivated to do s***.
So, anyone on both? If so, what AD, and did it help?
peaceout
dtroitj
JMO before you go the A/D route? try exercise good diet improve sleep pattern and have something to wake up to that motivates you--work- school -charity work whatever your situation.
I used A/D with Sub and without sub. JMO but I think A/D are over prescribed.
But then again I have read where people have improved using A/D
For me I have learned that when something goes wrong instead of running for a pill I rather try to go the natural route.
Works for me.
Jeff
I used A/D with Sub and without sub. JMO but I think A/D are over prescribed.
But then again I have read where people have improved using A/D
For me I have learned that when something goes wrong instead of running for a pill I rather try to go the natural route.
Works for me.
Jeff
Before my addiction to pain pills...I never took anything ever! I hated pills. There was a time in my life that I did go on an AD, paxil for about 5 months. It improved my life and mood substantially. However, when I was done I was done.
I am a firm believer in looking for a natural way to get better, this is not always possible and it is documented that using narcotics over a sustained period of time will lower your serotonin levels in your brain. Opiates screw with your brain chemistry period.
I am on suboxone and have been for 4 and half months....a week ago I started to taper for the mere fact that I was doing fine but I feel FLAT. Not happy, not sad. Just nothing, I can tell you this....since I have dropped my dose and plan on tapering completely off....I feel amazingly better. So my theory is this. While sub is an excellent tool, its not the be all and end all. If you are doing nothing for your spiritual recovery then that is what you are going to get NOTHING!
Perhaps its time for you to think about tapering, talk to your doctor about this and maybe if you start a good exercise program and hit a few meetings your mood will lift.
Be proactive in your recovery...don't sit around waiting for a miracle to happen because as we all know, rarely if ever does that happen. You are responsible fo you. Surround yourself with people that love and care for your well being. Don't run the pill bottle without exhausting all other alternatives.
Every one is different but I personally will never take an AD again...unless its the last resort.
Good luck and keep up the good work.
I am a firm believer in looking for a natural way to get better, this is not always possible and it is documented that using narcotics over a sustained period of time will lower your serotonin levels in your brain. Opiates screw with your brain chemistry period.
I am on suboxone and have been for 4 and half months....a week ago I started to taper for the mere fact that I was doing fine but I feel FLAT. Not happy, not sad. Just nothing, I can tell you this....since I have dropped my dose and plan on tapering completely off....I feel amazingly better. So my theory is this. While sub is an excellent tool, its not the be all and end all. If you are doing nothing for your spiritual recovery then that is what you are going to get NOTHING!
Perhaps its time for you to think about tapering, talk to your doctor about this and maybe if you start a good exercise program and hit a few meetings your mood will lift.
Be proactive in your recovery...don't sit around waiting for a miracle to happen because as we all know, rarely if ever does that happen. You are responsible fo you. Surround yourself with people that love and care for your well being. Don't run the pill bottle without exhausting all other alternatives.
Every one is different but I personally will never take an AD again...unless its the last resort.
Good luck and keep up the good work.
Hey there DJ
I take Sub, Effexor, and Lamictal (a mood stabilizer)...
I was on the anti- depressants first before the sub, but not for too long.
It is something I feel I needed. I was truly without a doubt depressed and after talking to a FEW psychiatrists I was told what I had wondered... is there something wrong with me. Well yes. lol. I have a form of bipolar, it's not off the chain bipolar, but none the less. I can go from being extremely funny and happy... super high, and in a split second want to die... crazy i know..but i've been like that as long as i can remember.
I would highly consider what Jeff said first. And get your doctor to refer you to talk to a psychiatrist if at all possible.
Good luck
Stac
I take Sub, Effexor, and Lamictal (a mood stabilizer)...
I was on the anti- depressants first before the sub, but not for too long.
It is something I feel I needed. I was truly without a doubt depressed and after talking to a FEW psychiatrists I was told what I had wondered... is there something wrong with me. Well yes. lol. I have a form of bipolar, it's not off the chain bipolar, but none the less. I can go from being extremely funny and happy... super high, and in a split second want to die... crazy i know..but i've been like that as long as i can remember.
I would highly consider what Jeff said first. And get your doctor to refer you to talk to a psychiatrist if at all possible.
Good luck
Stac
OK,
I should have know that I should give more information or I would get the old line..........
I am in private therapy.
I eat pretty well.
I have cut my caffeine intake to 0.
I exercise 5 times a week. Sometimes only 4.....
I go to N/A on a regular basis.
Depression runs heavily on BOTH sides of my family. My father is confirmed bi-polar and my mother has battled serious depression her whole life.
I am not running to the doctor to give me a pill to cure things right away. He has asked me about them in the past and I have always declined because I wanted to keep trying all of the above things. I feel like my dealing with addiction is making great progress, but I wonder how long I have to live with the deep blues..........
I am looking for experiences from people that ARE on both so I can weigh all my options. I appreciate the comments from those that are NOT on both and are concerned, but that's not what I am looking for.
peaceout
dtroitj
I should have know that I should give more information or I would get the old line..........
I am in private therapy.
I eat pretty well.
I have cut my caffeine intake to 0.
I exercise 5 times a week. Sometimes only 4.....
I go to N/A on a regular basis.
Depression runs heavily on BOTH sides of my family. My father is confirmed bi-polar and my mother has battled serious depression her whole life.
I am not running to the doctor to give me a pill to cure things right away. He has asked me about them in the past and I have always declined because I wanted to keep trying all of the above things. I feel like my dealing with addiction is making great progress, but I wonder how long I have to live with the deep blues..........
I am looking for experiences from people that ARE on both so I can weigh all my options. I appreciate the comments from those that are NOT on both and are concerned, but that's not what I am looking for.
peaceout
dtroitj
Djohnny
I have never ever had a problem with being on both. The mood stabilizer and effexor works very well for me.
sub works just as well, I've not once seen a problem.
There is nothing wrong with taking medication for depression. It's much better than living miserable. That's not living.
If you have any specific questions you can email me. kaylinsmom440@yahoo.com
Good luck
stac
I have never ever had a problem with being on both. The mood stabilizer and effexor works very well for me.
sub works just as well, I've not once seen a problem.
There is nothing wrong with taking medication for depression. It's much better than living miserable. That's not living.
If you have any specific questions you can email me. kaylinsmom440@yahoo.com
Good luck
stac
Thank you Stacey!
That's the kind of input I am looking for.
Yeah, I'm no stranger to living with depression. Growing up both my father and mother were untreated.
Peaceout
dtroitj
That's the kind of input I am looking for.
Yeah, I'm no stranger to living with depression. Growing up both my father and mother were untreated.
Peaceout
dtroitj
I've never been on sub but I was on methadone. About 3 months before I weaned off the methadone I went on celexa. I didn't have any problems. Since then I've been on and off celexa several times but finally in June I went back on it and have been on it since. I think it just calms me down a little bit. I don't freak out quite as easily as I used to. I agree with those who say diet and exercise are the most important things but I feel like I need 20mg of celexa in addition. Good luck.
Shelly
Shelly
detroitjohnny
i started paxil in 1997 for severe depression that i had been suffering with for about 20 years!
what a difference! i truly believe that i have a chemical imbalance in my brain and no walk or exercise is going to restore that.
i have been on sub since july 06 and i ak presently taking both with no problem.
i am a firm believer that one can benefit from an a/d and there is no need to suffer when there is help available.
you may need to try different ones until you can find one that suits you well good luck, jewels
i started paxil in 1997 for severe depression that i had been suffering with for about 20 years!
what a difference! i truly believe that i have a chemical imbalance in my brain and no walk or exercise is going to restore that.
i have been on sub since july 06 and i ak presently taking both with no problem.
i am a firm believer that one can benefit from an a/d and there is no need to suffer when there is help available.
you may need to try different ones until you can find one that suits you well good luck, jewels
Detroit Johnny after reading your second post. Family history and your certainly doing the hard work in recovery.
You ask about sub/A/D-in 2004 I was put on sub and met about 30-40 people who I did intensive therapy with.
They were all patients put On sub for opiate issues. I would say that all of them were put on Sub A/D and a mood stabilizer.
My case is a bit different as I take a medicine that alters my brain chemistry. I was depressed for 20+ yrs. I took a lot of A/D some sober some while binging but recently within past 2 yrs tried one called cymbalta and well it did not work. I do take something called seroquel for sleep. Its also used for patients with Bi-polar. I have been diagnosed with Bipolar by some doctors and others really do not know. I take prednisone and that has some mean side effects on the your brain and moods. But I have learned to control my mood swings much better after making a lot of changes. It took a long time for it to start working.
I just wanted to respond back to you. With what you described your daily regiment and family history an A/D may be an excellent choice for you.
There is no easy answer to your question. A/D take 30-45 days to really kick in. If you have been depressed a long time I would look into trying one.
Your second post changes things a lot. One thing i learned about shrinks -good ones anyway is they are honest about these meds. They are tell you upfront they take time to work you must be patient and it may take more than one A/D before they find the right one.
Only you know how bad the depression.
Have a good day
Jeff
You ask about sub/A/D-in 2004 I was put on sub and met about 30-40 people who I did intensive therapy with.
They were all patients put On sub for opiate issues. I would say that all of them were put on Sub A/D and a mood stabilizer.
My case is a bit different as I take a medicine that alters my brain chemistry. I was depressed for 20+ yrs. I took a lot of A/D some sober some while binging but recently within past 2 yrs tried one called cymbalta and well it did not work. I do take something called seroquel for sleep. Its also used for patients with Bi-polar. I have been diagnosed with Bipolar by some doctors and others really do not know. I take prednisone and that has some mean side effects on the your brain and moods. But I have learned to control my mood swings much better after making a lot of changes. It took a long time for it to start working.
I just wanted to respond back to you. With what you described your daily regiment and family history an A/D may be an excellent choice for you.
There is no easy answer to your question. A/D take 30-45 days to really kick in. If you have been depressed a long time I would look into trying one.
Your second post changes things a lot. One thing i learned about shrinks -good ones anyway is they are honest about these meds. They are tell you upfront they take time to work you must be patient and it may take more than one A/D before they find the right one.
Only you know how bad the depression.
Have a good day
Jeff
While I was on Sub, I tried many different A/D's
My Sub Dr (Dr A) is a psychiatrist so he was the one to Rx both the Sub AND the a/d's. At one point I was Rx'd 3 different a/d's, Provigil, plus the Sub!! I was very concerned about interaction between the meds together but was told they were fine.
So DJ, I think it may help you to talk to your Dr and consider your options.
Personally, none of the a/d's seemed to do a thing for me - and Dr A tried just about every one out there. I finally just weaned off them cause I did not feel they were helping me.
Later I started seeing a woman psych/addiction specialist in the same group office (Dr D). Around August/September of last year I asked her if she thought I should try a/d's again ..... I knew SOMETHING was wrong with me, but was not sure exactly WHAT it was or how to change it.
She would not Rx A/D's and told me that they would not do any good cause I was on Sub ..... she said that ANY opiate - including Sub - would make the A/D's less effective?????
I can't say if it's true or not - but it is what she told me. My personal experience - they did nothing for me while on Sub. But I have not taken them since being OFF the Sub either so I can't say either way.
I do find it odd that many Dr's Rx A/D's in combonation with opiates or Sub - including my own Dr A ..... and Dr A is the head of the group where Dr D is at! and I had never heard of other Dr's saying that opiates would make A/D's less effective.
Anyone else ever hear of such a thing??
Sorry for the long post .... but good luck to you detroit ..... and let us know what your Dr says.
I started taking Zoloft last May when I first tried to come off pills. I feel it did help me and I have been on it since then. I relapsed with pills and ended up on Suboxone in Sept. so now I am on both and I feel fine. I notice though that if I go a while without taking my zoloft I start acting moody and sad. I have forgotten to take it for a week or two, so I went and bought me a medicine holder for every day of the week. I put my zoloft and sub in there and keep it on my desk so I wont forget to take it.
