How long will this damn subutex take to get from my system? I am on day 4 and last night I went to hell and back, okay it aint as bad as rattling from brown, but it was still a nightmare. I have been told 7 days. I just need some sleep and last night I did not get a wink. Has anyone come off subutex I have been using it for 12 months and was down to 1mg when I came off it>
Not to sure how much longer u'll feel like this.,but as subutex is 1 of the lowest strengths of opium,Im sure u'll start to feel better in the next couple of days.,Ur doing well and congrats on ur will to hang in there,u've come this far and im sure ur over the worst of it..hang in there mate all the best paul.
Hi there Marky Mark, yep, I did it, back at the beginning of this year, and I'm still clean, so hang onto that thought. You are gonna have a rough week, no doubt. When I jumped, I was down to 0.4mgs, less than half what you are taking, but I don't know that it made that much difference. In some ways I think that dropping as low as I did was just prolonging the agony, coz the jump from 1mg to 0.4mgs wasn't pleasant either.
Okey dokey, after about 7 days the physical withdrawals will fade, and you'll stop feeling sick, and the skin will stop crawling. Sleep takes a little longer, unfortunately, and to be completely honest, there isn't a lot you can do about it. If you do go down the benzo's route, then just don't do it every night, coz you'll end up in a worse situation. I took a couple of valium once or twice a week when I was desperate, but, in reality, they didn't help much. As my Dr told me, "your body laughs in the face of sedation...". Really, you just have to tough it out, and eventually you'll start to sleep a little better, and it will improve from then on and in a couple of months you'll be sleeping like a log, wonderful, beautiful, deep, dreamy, natural, restful sleep. It will come, but you have to be patient. The less you play about with downers, the quicker it will happen. I'm feeling you now, I really am, coz I had a double whammy, in that I came off subutex, but was still taking quite heavy anti-psychotics and anti-depressants. My sleep had come back to normal, and I was loving being able to go to bed and fall asleep, and wake up 8 hours later with no recollection of the night. No tossing and turning, no spasms etc. Then I fell pregnant, and my Dr told me to stop taking the anti-psychs and anti-deps. I wasn't expecting what I got! Full on withdrawals, sneezes, restlessness, nausea, and rampant insomnia. Oh joy of joys! I had to cold turkey it, coming off high doses of both with absolutely no warning. That was at the beginning of July, and I'm still sneezing and unable to sleep now. And I'm so so annoyed, coz very soon my belly is going to be huge, and I'll be fat and uncomfortable, too big to sleep on my front, and banned from sleeping on my back and I doubt sleep will come too easy then. And then of course when I have the little squealer it will be up squawking most of the night. I'm praying for a nice quiet little baby. Surely God knows I deserve that, after all I've been through!
Anyway fella, my best advice to you is to do your damndest to ignore the withdrawals. Don't make too many allowances for yourself and try and keep as busy as poss, coz time passes quicker that way. If you're sitting about watching To Buy or Not To Buy, Homes Under The Hammer, Flog It, Bargain Hunt (yeah, I know the drill!) you're just going to dwell on how crappy you're feeling and the more you think about it the worse you'll feel. I dealt with it by not telling anybody that I was going through opiate withdrawals, going for drives in the country with my mates, having lots of people round to entertain me and talk to me to take my mind off it, having a few late night drinking sessions. If you know that you're not going to sleep, then just lying there counting the cracks on the ceiling isn't going to make you feel any better, so if you have any hyperactive non-junkie mates, who can stay up most of the night with you, talking, watching films etc then take full advantage of it. Eventually you'll be so knackered that you'll collapse in a heap and sleep. And stay away from junkies. Obvious, I know, but try and have as much contact with non-junkies as poss, coz it will make you feel better and help you stop feeling sorry for yourself.
And just bear in mind that in a few short days you'll be free. Free as a bird, to go where you want when you want, spend your cash on anything you like. It's the best feeling in the world. I don't even remember the pain of withdrawing from subs now, but every day I wake up with the beautiful knowledge that the nightmare is over, and I set myself free, and my life is now my own, and I can lay claim to my ambitions, my hopes and my dreams again, and be proud of who I am and what I've achieved. Is it worth it? You bet your sweet a** it is!
love
Diff
xxx
PS if you want to find out more detail about my subs detox, look under the Suboxone Forum, and do a search for one of my posts called "The beginning of the End..." It 's all chronicalled there from about 4mgs down to zero. I reduced down from 16 mgs, BTW...
Okey dokey, after about 7 days the physical withdrawals will fade, and you'll stop feeling sick, and the skin will stop crawling. Sleep takes a little longer, unfortunately, and to be completely honest, there isn't a lot you can do about it. If you do go down the benzo's route, then just don't do it every night, coz you'll end up in a worse situation. I took a couple of valium once or twice a week when I was desperate, but, in reality, they didn't help much. As my Dr told me, "your body laughs in the face of sedation...". Really, you just have to tough it out, and eventually you'll start to sleep a little better, and it will improve from then on and in a couple of months you'll be sleeping like a log, wonderful, beautiful, deep, dreamy, natural, restful sleep. It will come, but you have to be patient. The less you play about with downers, the quicker it will happen. I'm feeling you now, I really am, coz I had a double whammy, in that I came off subutex, but was still taking quite heavy anti-psychotics and anti-depressants. My sleep had come back to normal, and I was loving being able to go to bed and fall asleep, and wake up 8 hours later with no recollection of the night. No tossing and turning, no spasms etc. Then I fell pregnant, and my Dr told me to stop taking the anti-psychs and anti-deps. I wasn't expecting what I got! Full on withdrawals, sneezes, restlessness, nausea, and rampant insomnia. Oh joy of joys! I had to cold turkey it, coming off high doses of both with absolutely no warning. That was at the beginning of July, and I'm still sneezing and unable to sleep now. And I'm so so annoyed, coz very soon my belly is going to be huge, and I'll be fat and uncomfortable, too big to sleep on my front, and banned from sleeping on my back and I doubt sleep will come too easy then. And then of course when I have the little squealer it will be up squawking most of the night. I'm praying for a nice quiet little baby. Surely God knows I deserve that, after all I've been through!
Anyway fella, my best advice to you is to do your damndest to ignore the withdrawals. Don't make too many allowances for yourself and try and keep as busy as poss, coz time passes quicker that way. If you're sitting about watching To Buy or Not To Buy, Homes Under The Hammer, Flog It, Bargain Hunt (yeah, I know the drill!) you're just going to dwell on how crappy you're feeling and the more you think about it the worse you'll feel. I dealt with it by not telling anybody that I was going through opiate withdrawals, going for drives in the country with my mates, having lots of people round to entertain me and talk to me to take my mind off it, having a few late night drinking sessions. If you know that you're not going to sleep, then just lying there counting the cracks on the ceiling isn't going to make you feel any better, so if you have any hyperactive non-junkie mates, who can stay up most of the night with you, talking, watching films etc then take full advantage of it. Eventually you'll be so knackered that you'll collapse in a heap and sleep. And stay away from junkies. Obvious, I know, but try and have as much contact with non-junkies as poss, coz it will make you feel better and help you stop feeling sorry for yourself.
And just bear in mind that in a few short days you'll be free. Free as a bird, to go where you want when you want, spend your cash on anything you like. It's the best feeling in the world. I don't even remember the pain of withdrawing from subs now, but every day I wake up with the beautiful knowledge that the nightmare is over, and I set myself free, and my life is now my own, and I can lay claim to my ambitions, my hopes and my dreams again, and be proud of who I am and what I've achieved. Is it worth it? You bet your sweet a** it is!
love
Diff
xxx
PS if you want to find out more detail about my subs detox, look under the Suboxone Forum, and do a search for one of my posts called "The beginning of the End..." It 's all chronicalled there from about 4mgs down to zero. I reduced down from 16 mgs, BTW...
Diff ur scaring me now, I have 8mg subs, and I was only taking, a tiny bit of 1, kind of figure it was about 1mg, anyway was going to stop today, and take some vally's fro a couple of days, what do u think, will it work.
Geo
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Geo
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Thanks to everyone who gave me support on this. Last night I had another bad one, but I got through it and even if tonights the same I am too close to getting my goal to give up now. Day 5: I am generally fine through the day, but the night everything seems to multiply! I can handle having the s***s and shakes, but I hate the not being able to sleep. I remember trying to have a rattle on Brown (Heroin withdrawel) and that was a mad b******, this subutex come down is a lot easier, but you still roast. So if anyones thinking about giving up go for it and I will keep you posted how I am getting on. Tonights the 5th night and my friend told me his ended on the 6th day, prey God it does. And a good way is get loads of hot baths and keep away from beer it makes it worse!
Marky Mark
Marky Mark
marky are you going cold turkey, done it 5 times and a don't think a could do it again, 4 me 4 days a started feeling better, hope ur feeling better.
Geo
Geo
I think everyones different. Today is Friday and although I am still a little ropey I have started to feel better, last night I took two sleeping tablets because I could not bare the sleeplessness and this time it worked and I slept all night, but I was exhausted. So today is my 6th day and I think (fingers crossed) I am over the worse, Diff was right if you keep busy it takes your mind off it, but sometimes it really is unbearable, but just think to yourself that, that could be the very last time you ever feel like that again. Getting another bag or going back to the subbies is just prolonging it till the next time. I have wasted three years of my life on this stuff. Yesterday when I was poorly it was a sunny day and I said to myself that, that would be the very last day wasted. Yes I still feel rough today, but I am free! Thanks to Diff and everyone else and I will keep you posted.
Marky Mark from Manchester
Marky Mark from Manchester
Hi Geo, of course it will work. But what you have to get your head round is that there is no painless way of coming off heroin, or any other strong opiate once you have a physical and psychological addiction. A subs detox is not painless. Not by a long stretch. But it's not as bad as heroin and certainly not as bad or as drawn out as methadone. So if you're gonna do it, you're gonna feel better doing it off subs then probably any other route. But you can still expect to feel pretty damned rough, not so much during the day, but like Mark said, the nights seem to last a long long time!
The main clincher is you, and how determined you are, and how strong your motivation is. I tried to take a really postive mindset. For each day that I felt crappy I was a day closer to feeling well. By day 7, you'll be feeling alright, much more human. Seven crappy days to give you your life back. Seven crappy days, or a life devoid of all true happiness stretching out in front of you like an interminable wasteland. You gotta make the choice. Choose the seven crappy days followed by whatever you wish, whatever distant dreams you want to resurrect, the hopes you abandoned at the door to your addiction, or just choose the never-ending wasteland. Because that's what really dawned on me, when I decided to jack in my habit. That it was all very well to sit around with my junkie mates, moaning about how s*** my life was, all of us united in our underword solidarity, but every time I stuck a needle in my vein, I was making a conscious choice. I was choosing that life over and over. I realised eventually that I am a strong stand-up human being, not a weak pathetic victim, blown about like a bit of tumbleweed, at the mercy of things I had no control over. Yes there are plenty of things I can't control, but I can control whether I stick that needle in my vein or not.
So, my friend, don't expect your detox to be painless, but it's a whole lot more comfortable than living your life in misery. It's all about choices. You have the power!
love
Diff xxx
The main clincher is you, and how determined you are, and how strong your motivation is. I tried to take a really postive mindset. For each day that I felt crappy I was a day closer to feeling well. By day 7, you'll be feeling alright, much more human. Seven crappy days to give you your life back. Seven crappy days, or a life devoid of all true happiness stretching out in front of you like an interminable wasteland. You gotta make the choice. Choose the seven crappy days followed by whatever you wish, whatever distant dreams you want to resurrect, the hopes you abandoned at the door to your addiction, or just choose the never-ending wasteland. Because that's what really dawned on me, when I decided to jack in my habit. That it was all very well to sit around with my junkie mates, moaning about how s*** my life was, all of us united in our underword solidarity, but every time I stuck a needle in my vein, I was making a conscious choice. I was choosing that life over and over. I realised eventually that I am a strong stand-up human being, not a weak pathetic victim, blown about like a bit of tumbleweed, at the mercy of things I had no control over. Yes there are plenty of things I can't control, but I can control whether I stick that needle in my vein or not.
So, my friend, don't expect your detox to be painless, but it's a whole lot more comfortable than living your life in misery. It's all about choices. You have the power!
love
Diff xxx
I have some bad news! Day 7 turned into an all singing all spewing up day and got so bad I was rushed to A&E. I was put on a drip and the doctor told me to go back to my Drug Rehab centre and get back on the program. Now the thing is I have Barrets Desease a condition in my throat, so it made the vomiting 10 times worse. So take heart everyone this will not happen to you like it did to me. To cut a long story short I had to take 3mg of Subutex this morning and you cannot imagine how depressing that was, being so close to the end! I felt like I had let my Girlfriend down, all you guys and myself. It was so f-ing depressing I really felt like killing myself, but I am strong and I now know what to expect. Subutext has won a battle, but it has in no way won the war. So it is on to plan B and now I know what to expect I am not giving in! Forewarned is to be forearmed as the saying goes! I am getting some anti-sickness pills, a few sleeping tablets and I am going to fight the good fight again. I have not slept for 32 hours now and feel like I have been in the ring with Mike Tyson. So remember if anyone is giving up go for it! Subutext withdrawel effects people in different ways and unfortunatley because of my throat and stomach problems it made it harder for me. So please pray for me as I go into the breech again my dear friends. So Diff and all the rest of you guys get crossing those fingers for me and lets hope that this time more than any other time this time!
Marky Mark
Marky Mark
Hi Mark, sorry that you're having a bad time of it. Now don't be so hard on yourself. Subs is a means to an end, that's all. Strange how you started throwing up on day 7 though... I wasn't sick once when I was coming off subs. I felt a bit pukey, but didn't actually puke at all. But then again, it takes a lot to make me puke. Not even pregnancy seems to upset my iron stomach. It takes a dirty hit, or years of drug abuse to make me ill. When I think about it, how sick I was, every single day, whether I was withdrawing or high, it didn't seem to make any difference, I must have been in a real bad way when I was all f***ed up on heroin. Oh, subs and gear, that's one thing that made me puke like a mutha! Anyway, enough already!
Just get yourself stable again. You probably won't need to take as much as 3 mgs of subs to get feeling well again and you will hopefully find you can drop your dose again within the next couple of days. It takes about 3 days to build up in your system again, so maybe try dropping 1mg in a couple of days. When you get down to 2 mgs, ask your Dr to prescribe you the 0.4mg tablets, so you can drop by tiny increments, and get down to 0.4mg before trying to quit again. If you have a good relationship with your drug program/Dr, you should be able to get take homes for the last few weeks, which helps, coz you can take them when you feel like you need them, for example, you may be fine during the day, but need to take them at night. You can drop quite quickly if you listen to your body and just take as much or as little as you need, and it makes you feel more in control. I do recommend you read the last part of my Beginning of the End post on the suboxone forum, coz I go into quite alot of detail about how I did my final taper, and you might find it useful.
Get well, stay positive, and don't give up!
love
Diff xxx
Just get yourself stable again. You probably won't need to take as much as 3 mgs of subs to get feeling well again and you will hopefully find you can drop your dose again within the next couple of days. It takes about 3 days to build up in your system again, so maybe try dropping 1mg in a couple of days. When you get down to 2 mgs, ask your Dr to prescribe you the 0.4mg tablets, so you can drop by tiny increments, and get down to 0.4mg before trying to quit again. If you have a good relationship with your drug program/Dr, you should be able to get take homes for the last few weeks, which helps, coz you can take them when you feel like you need them, for example, you may be fine during the day, but need to take them at night. You can drop quite quickly if you listen to your body and just take as much or as little as you need, and it makes you feel more in control. I do recommend you read the last part of my Beginning of the End post on the suboxone forum, coz I go into quite alot of detail about how I did my final taper, and you might find it useful.
Get well, stay positive, and don't give up!
love
Diff xxx
hi marky mark, you done so well, you never let your girlfriend down, you have really tried hard you sounded like you was gonna do it, but what happened was not your fault..... my heart went out to you when i read your post..... i was on the subutex i thought they were brilliant, i was buying mine off some geezer that was selling his script, only problem there was that when i wanted to buy some more off him he blanked the phone on me so i had to go and get some b after not taking it for 3/4days i was gutted, really really gutted..... you sound like you've had enough, i wish you all the luck in the world, but remember take your time there aint no rush, rome was'nt built in a day.. you will get there. tracie x
Well I am a lot better today, but like I mentioned I have had 3mg, but I am going to try again and get myself some anti-sickness pills. What I was wondering however is I have just spent seven days getting almost 12 months of Subbies from my system. I have only got 3mg in my body so will it be the same or different? Does anyone know and yes Diff I will read your post about cutting down. And thanks Tracie everyone has been great and now I am even more determined!
Marky Mark
Marky Mark
Well, today is Sunday and again I have not taken any subbies and I am just waiting for the goofiness to start all over again! It would be quite funny really if it was not so painful, but it is'nt is it? Spent most of today reading Diffs W/D posts, every last word of it including replies. I printed 45 pages of the bugger and now I have run out of ink, but thats some tale Diff and yes I remember 1976 and yes that was really helpful, every word was an inspiration. Oh well, it will probably take another two days before I start feeling like Boris Karloff so I might as well sit tight and tell everyone who is'nt aware what I am up to that I have ANOTHER Virus! If it gets unbearable again I will be back to the clinic, because I have bought the Subbies this time, they are 8mg tablets and a nightmare to break up and judge what I am taking. Wish me luck (again) and I will sit tight with my Bernard Cromwell book and read about Archers and Crossbows!
Marky Mark
Marky Mark
Alright..Mark..just to say mate have been reading yer ups&downs of the last few days...more downs of late but you sound like you want it&are pretty determined..ive no experience of the subs myself just l/t meth.script,your doing all you can given the situation physhically etc.so just to say sit tight&best of luck...take care ..all the best ...Davey..p.s..them archers had a good right arm eh!Agincourt..et al
Well it is Monday today and I have started to feel a little crappy again, but since the hospital visit on Friday night I have not been sick. I was probably being very optimistic thinking that this time would be different getting the 3mg out of my system and I will probably have to go back to my Drug team to get the smaller tablets. I still have some subbies for emergancies, but have not had any since 8.00am Saturday morning (Approx 3mg) and I do not feel that bad so I must only need a really low dose to have held me this long? Got a few cramps and stomach aches, but no full on madness yet! That usually happens on the 3/4 day and then day 6 is usually the ball breaker and thats when I start spewing and the Barrets Desease flares up making everything twice as bad! I need to have a battle plan to beat this and I have a window of three weeks before my Girlfriend has an operation and I need to be clean to look after her. Also Diff, you say you have had a baby, was the test wrong when it came up negative or did you catch pregnant later on. That is a part of your story you did not explain. Perhaps we should both write a book about this to help others. Not some daft manual that does not explain much, but a down to earth, true to life, bent over the toilet throwing your insides up story! With real words like Quilt tumble dryer and the frozen bones syndrome. Anyway the unfairness of all this, is that the guy who got me into Heroin was on it for 12 years and got off it really easy after 5 days subbies w/d. I was only bloody smoking it for 12 months and I cannot seem to make that last hurdle. I can handle all the symptoms apart from the sickness! It really is Ironic, as miss Morrisette suggests!
Hi Marky Mark.......tres here, two yrs plus clean off heroin. I admire your strength you have really been doing great..so tough it is. I have also always had stomach and esophagus problems and been diagnosed with barretts disease.....the freaking fire in your throat, I know all about that........I have been ona new medicine called zegerid, been working great. It's probably been worse for you lately as your stomach is most likely churning with tthe detox, eat small meals, take plenty of antacids. My doctor also told me it is important to avoid caffiende, carbonated beverages and smokes, but i have yet to do this myself.......Keep up the good fight !!! IT WILL PASS and will all be worth it
Thank God, someone else has Barrets Desease! I thought I was the only one who suffered from it and had never heard about it before, until I got it, but it does make all the rattling and clucking and being sick all that much bloody worse and so bloody awful! Thank you so much for posting that and I too smoke drink and eat Kebabs and yes it hurts, but I would only give all those things up just for one thing.
TOO BE CLEAN!
Marky Relieved Mark
TOO BE CLEAN!
Marky Relieved Mark
Thought the whole point of Subutex is getting you off Heroin and any of that s*** you have been introduced to! Cause I guess, once again, that you are a VICTIM of this society! STOP feeling sorry for yourself, cause you chose this way to go...nobody twisted your arm! ( I hope!) Your are a son! and you have family!, so hold on! Wanted to say you have a mum ( but that might NOT be the case) ..but if you do! THINK of HER and NOT yourself! I have a 40 yr old son, that knows I've just got through major surgery! and...DOH! No contact, NO Nothing! ..makes me feel like a piece of s***! London? AGAIN? and sorting himself out? Aged 62 now! don't need his CRAP any more! Supported him since 2002 and he has bled me dry! NO MORE! So if this is the life you want in future ( if you get there!) f..... sort yourself out and think about others instead of yourself! YOU MADE A BAD CHOICE! now be man enough to admit it and get yourself back on track!
Bette, not sure if you are on the wrong forum, but someone once said that ignorance is one of the worst crimes apart from empathy. I am not making excuses for us so called Dirty Smackheads, but try and remember that some of us are not really dirty and have never stolen, but even if they had, it was because this desease had hold of you so strongly that you had nothing else and I mean nothing else! Maybe I am jumping to conclusions and should just be a damn Man about this shall I, stop making excuses about what I am doing, which is'nt by the way Heroin, but no I will be a Man about it, because it is so damn easy for the other millions of heroin addicts around the World who have so easily gotton off the stuff and thats the success story is'nt Bette? So lets all pull our socks up, however only on the promise that Bette does one full blown Rattle to see how easy it is? And lets all be Strong. Sometimes life does not work like that. If I misunderstood you sorry, but I am on day two and cannot be bothered with lectures!
Bette
You need to resolve issues with your son and perhaps not take it out on other people on this forum, as it is supposed to be making them better not feel worse. I can fully understand about your operation and, yes I deserve the pain more than you because I chose that, but did you smoke or drink? Everybody is guilty Bette. Some more than others and I guess yes I am guilty as sin, but that should not stop me from having a right to a good life and to try to get off the stuff. There are plenty of people walking about not taking Heroin who are robbing you blind. It is called the Government!
You need to resolve issues with your son and perhaps not take it out on other people on this forum, as it is supposed to be making them better not feel worse. I can fully understand about your operation and, yes I deserve the pain more than you because I chose that, but did you smoke or drink? Everybody is guilty Bette. Some more than others and I guess yes I am guilty as sin, but that should not stop me from having a right to a good life and to try to get off the stuff. There are plenty of people walking about not taking Heroin who are robbing you blind. It is called the Government!
