Union Square

Hey everyone,

I just treated myself to a dvd which is called Union Square. I am watching it now and wow its pretty amazing for me. You know for someone who has never touched heroin and only ever seen someone chase the dragon. Believe me I didnt even know what chase the dragon meants 4 months ago. Its really cool this dvd. It follows the lives ov about 7 heroin addicts in Union Square USA. It shows how they pay for thier habbit, how they live on the streets and how they have all lost everything they ever had because of thier habbit. Some of them love the addiction. Others hate it.

I am going to stick it on ebay after I have watched it if anyone is interested in it?

I have never seen anyone inject until 2 mins ago when they showed this guy in apublic toilet injecting himself with the DEVIL drug as I like to call it. Its funny how people just take it to chill them out and forget about thier worries. They only do it now and again then BANG they cant live without it and suddenly thier so called worried are nothing compaired to what they face because of thier heroin addiction. Thing what I have noticed about allot of heroin addicts, the heroin numbs out any feelings and pain, so what they are doing affects others more than it does themselves or should I say upsets others more??

Any am babblin on and missing me film.

Bye for now xxx
I've never seen that..." I'M A HUGE FAN" of just about any kind of Documentary. I would like to see this BUT, I still have this thing about not being about to watch others inject "even on T.V". It causes me too much emotional strain. I can sit thru it but, then it makes my chest gets all tight and i'll want it. Besides I saw all H does to people first hand. YEA when your doing it...it seems everybody else gets so mad "FAMILY" the user don't got a care except about the next hit. Took me forever to see why other people were getting so pee'd off at me. My addiction totally effected the family before I even saw for myself how much it was doing to me "it makes ya blind".
I know what ya saying about watching people inject. I found it hard to watch for different reasons to yourself. I was cringing everytime they showed it. Its when they draw the needle and blood goes in. One person injected straight into tier muscle in thier stomach...ooooh. Most of them stuck them straight into thier arms. I thought when someone injected that they automatically collapsed in a gouch like state but none of them done this??? Just from what I have seen on "Trainspotting". I guess thats the only information I have ever known about drugs and heroin addiction.

Kevin came home when I was watching the film and he was almost crying because as he said heroin addiction is like a circle....the same thing happens almost everytime. Each persons story ended with what they were doing now and 9 out of 10 were still using heroin to this day after numeruous attempts at rehab etc. These people were less fortunate and were living on the streets because they had lost everything. Some with children, some with families and some with nothing and nobody. Its so sad!!

If only thier was a pill which you could take which made you feel ok, chilled you out, relaxed you and took away the temptation of getting that next hit. If only...whoever would make it would be millionaires gauranteed.

Is it true that some people actually crave the actual injecting??? I personally could never inject myself. I hate injections to start with. Am a proper wimp I am!!

What is it like when you first ever inject and what happens if it doesnt go into a vien? Does it still work or is it dangeruous?

Did anyone start smoking it first then go onto injecting and if so why?

See when your addicted....do you love it when you get that hit or eventually does it become so routine that you just get sick of having to do the same thing over and over again?

How much on average does it cost a day to keep this habbit up. It normally costs Kevin around twenty to thirty pounds a day! I thought it was an expensive habbit smoking at a fiver a day! lol. Oh do you use more gear injecting or smoking or is it the same amount?? Is it true that injecting is more intense and hits you quicker?

Do you get more badness in you because you inject the whole thing or is it more dangeruous to smoke it because of the toxins in the foil etc?

Is there any long term side affects of heroin use? I mean is it dangeruous at all apart from the mental challenges it brings?

Sorry for all questions I am just so curious and I guess you never know unless you ask?

Lynds xx
You love torturing yourself........BUNNY BUNNY........you're a sweetie and you crack me up.........I hate seeing ya worry like this........you sound exactly like my mom used to be........she'd askk me all those questions......I guess being educated though........well it can't hurt........I know you are driving yourself mad.

I didn't see that dicumentary........but if the chick injected in her stomach that ain't a main line........that's like skin popping.........a practice many addicts thinks just a huge waste........if you don't go in a vein......pure waste.

Money wise it depends.............guaranteed though if ya have money......you're going to buy dope...........it's a crazy a*ss thought process.......depending on bait and switch........like there will be some kick a*s dope out there.....so you want more........next cop you get a not so good lot........thus why some people try and stay away from buying bundles or racks.......which here is like 13 bags and ya may get that 13th free...............BIG DEAL!

I handed that Tres my money for a bundle once..........we always shared our dope.........which in no way did I mind nor did she, but her little friend well I did mind sharing with HER........anyway I was going to give her like three or four bags off the top.........she goes to meet the guy............hands me back 12.
I hand her like 4..........later one bag got nothing in it........and it's sealed......I call up that dealer and I am mad......he says "Well I gave ya that extra bag I bet your girl ain't tell you that"................STOLE IT..........my dear childhood friend done stole a bag from me........funny part was she kept lying......swearing she didn't........I knew she did.......when we got clean she confessed........we were cracking up........see though, Bunny what it does.........has you lying to someone ya love.........stealing off someone is your dear friend.

Get well bag is when ya got like twenty bucks on ya........that's just to get well or not get sick..........ya always want to get high...........which requires more and more and more as your tolerance goes up...........so that bundle of like $120.00 you might say "I'm gonna kep this until two days from now".........NEVER!........I mean maybe people that maintain.......they might be able to not do it all up, but anyone I know would have.

Ohhhhhhhh why am I telling ya all this...........Bunny Rocker.......put it this way.
You know this from your honey..........there's nothing good comes of it.......it's a monkey on your back.........even if ya maintain.........you still have to have it.
Say there's a blizzard........you got to go out in that blizzard........ya have to.
You can't plan nothing exactly cause what if it's dry.......no dope to be found.

Say you're on a nice day trip with the kids.......nobody is in danger, and ya copped last night and you ain't nodding and being irresponsible in that sense..
You get stuck in nowhere's land say with the kids.........you are in a PANIC.
You have to get home to cop.......you're gonna get sick........it ain't like that with food, water, or even liqour cause ultimately you'll find a store with beer or wine........somebody got food.........plus you can go a few days without eating....you can NOT go a few days without dope.

Big, big hassle............and consequently heroin itself does not harm your body.
I'm fairly sure the chemical makeup of it isn't bad on the body......BUT ya got to worry what it's cut with.......will ya get a beat bag.........here where we're from it's alarmingly pure............or WAS......I'm out of that loop so I am not sure now what it's like.........look at all the deaths cause when some genius cut the heroin with Fentanyl.......which to an addict is a yahooooooo moment as that Fentanyl is powerful.........but even veteran addicts died from that.

Then ya got the horrors that come with injecting..........Zero Girl can tell ya that first hand...........abcesses........then ya use up all the veins........they get sclerosed.........then ya got to worry about Hepatitis, and HIV, and cellulitis.
Endeocaritis.........and of course all the mental things goes with it........so it's a big NO i'd say as far as safety and health issues.

Bunny Rocker, one thing for me sums it up........you NEVER can say NEVER when it comes to heroin.......you start out saying "Well I'll never steal".......if for some reason you are broke.......can't get money.........trust me you will steal.
You start out saying "I would NEVER trick my butt out like these prostitutes".
You get desperate enough.........trust me you will be out there with guys and girls selling your tail............there's no NEVER in it Bunny......and to me that's frightening as all hell..........and I never from get go said NEVER cause I saw it happen to too many people..........I never got cocky about heroin.......you can't.
Yeh Bryn,

That girl said it was skin popping and the reason she said she did it was so she didnt damage her viens and she reckoned she got a buzz from it???

Thanks for your reply though cos I find it really interesting and I can understand why people would do anything to get thier bag after seeng Kevin after 24 hours without. He goes crazy.

I dont know why I am always worrying...I am a born worrier. If I havent got worry then something aint right....lol.

I have also heard that the gear over there is allot more pure than the mixed up sh*t that people get here. Kevin actually used to sell it and he has seen the crap that gets mixed up with it. Especially coke.

Well am watching Britains got talent so am off...there is a 6 year old singer and she is brilliant and she has got to be the cutest kid I have ever seen.

Lynds xx
Uh-uh, your little one is the cutest ever.......now we got to start teaching her lyrics, BR..........I love those shows.

You remind me so much of my friend Tres........ya know that chick posts here.
That wild woman.........LOL........I know ya know her I am messing.......she worries her head off and then POOF she's talking about sandals......she always could do that.........you worry and then ya get into your talent show......it's a great thing............the diversion........that's a good coping skill, BR.

Well, yep you seen it rear it's ugly head.........the dope head.....yewwwwww.
I'll address some of your questions to the best of my knowledge granted this is all from my point of view. Hey, you don't know if you don't ask and their are no dumb questions.
I thought when someone injected that they automatically collapsed in a gouch like state but none of them done this? For me I've done that only a handful of times. "Most often it was not like the movies show it." Once your deep in it's about doing it to kick the withdraw. You get a rush at first before you get the relaxed slumped feeling. The rush:"ya sweat a lil... bit of a speed effect going on" for a min don't last long that was my favorite part of the whole high that few seconds right after shooting. Is it true that some people actually crave the actual injecting? more or less you get addicted to everything ..the scoring dope, breaking it down, the mixing it, the process.
What is it like when you first ever inject and what happens if it doesnt go into a vien? Does it still work or is it dangeruous? Like I said at first you do get a rush then you feel totally relaxed the high acually last a good while. A coke high don't last long at all. A H high keep you high several hours "when you 1st start the whole day". After a while you gotta do it 3-4 times a day which compared to cocain aint much. If you miss a vain well you better go get some more dope it won't kick withdraw if your skin popping. IT GETS SO hard to get a good vain after a while. I've lumped up a vain tried to go in A vain the dope started LEAKING back out so gross. You start looking everywhere foot, boob, leg, to get it in.
Did anyone start smoking it first then go onto injecting and if so why? I personally have never smoked it. I've only snorted it two times that was at the end of my addiction while on methadone. I do know people who started out smoking everyone of them later injected becuse it takes less H to shoot it up. I don't know what the smoking high is like I hated the snorting high you don't get the rush from it.
....do you love it when you get that hit or eventually does it become so routine that you just get sick of having to do the same thing over and over again? You love love love it at 1st. At some point it gets to be something you have to do. How much on average does it cost a day to keep this habbit up? Right before I stoped I had to at least do a half gram about $75.00 us dollars or a bit more " I don't know how pounds convent to dollars" I was not high on that but, Functional could get by. When possible I liked doing a whole gram $180-200 us dollars I won't lie I hardly ever got to do as much as it took to get a REAL high after full addiction. I went thru a gram in two days usually but, prefered to do a gram a day most times i'ld break it into half do several small shots when money was short. At 1st i'ld be HIGH all day/night on like 20.00 - 30.00 dollars. Do you get more badness in you because you inject the whole thing or is it more dangeruous to smoke it because of the toxins in the foil etc? This i agree with Bryn it's not the acual H that is the BAD it's the whatever the crap the H was cut with. Yes it's "more risky" to shoot up unknown substance then to smoke it "both have risk" REASON is shotting is a direct line to your boold stream if it's cut bad it takes about 10 seconds to stop your heart or do whatever it's goona do. When there is a problem with the dope you shoot your screwed REAL REAL FAST. Is there any long term side affects of heroin use? I mean is it dangeruous at all apart from the mental challenges it brings?
Infectious diseases, for example, HIV/AIDS and hepatitis B and C
Collapsed veins
Bacterial infections
Abscesses
Infection of heart lining and valves
Arthritis and other rheumatologic problems
addiction itself
Lung complications (including various types of pneumonia and tuberculosis)
Overdose
Again agree with Bryn nothing is off limits that you WON'T do to get your next hit. It makes you totally selfish. I lied, stole, begged, pawned, my way to getting a fix everyday. You don't have a best friend when you have H it's your best friend, mom, dad, you will screw over who you have to in order to feed the adiction. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT however there are some addicts who ....apperntly..... are not like this "there was a board debate about never trust a junkie thing"? MY OWN CHILDREN were not #1 H was I know there is a lot of truth in the saying "never trust a junkie". You don't really care who it's hurting as long as your not hurting. THEN the withdraws bring this terrible depression you feel like a total butthead, guilt, anger, crying, agitated, just one more hit that is all GONE. Example the day my kids were taken away I was withdrawing I was a mess falling apart on the couch my ex bf walks in gets me a fix a few seconds late I WAS FINE!. It's a really SICK addiction. I don't belive there are addicts who function perfectly well it's not possible to be fully into addiction and it not effect parts of your life "yeah i'ld agree it takes some down faster then others" however it will screw up your life in time.
Wow Zero...cant believe you managed to answer all my questions. Thanks so much. As bad as heroin is I find it really interesting!

lol Bryn, its like one minute I am worrying about something but it dont take much to distract me or take my mind of it unless its serious.

My lil girl is the cutest yeh....I just thought this little girl on tv had the cutest smile ever and her talent was unbelievable.

I wish I knew how to post pictures on this site to show you all my lil princess cos she truly is an angel and I love her so so much. She is more than perfect in my eyes even though she is a little bugger. Thing is she makes me laugh because I can see so much of myself in her, my temper, my attitude etc. She is so funny. She is only 15 months old and she stamps her feet in temper when she dont get her own way and she has the biggest pet lip I have ever seen....lol.

Anyway I am a soap freak so gonna get off and watch my soaps on tv and then relax cos little one is in bed....me time....woohoo!!

Thanks again for your replies. I do worry too much but I am nosy too and like to know too much...lol.

Lynds xx
Zero Girl ya agreed with me.......then ya go listing TB........YO.......I don't wanna hear about no TB.........ya know people that smoke crack had actually started getting their own strain of TB....seriously.......my friend works in that
(hiss) Drug/Alcohol field........j/k bout the hiss......but yeah she had to get tested twice a dang month.........crazy stuff ya get out there.

Good post ZG.........and to think we still play it all in our heads and we know all that...........Bunny Rocker, you stay chill, girlie.