god bless your aching heart...i know there is nothing anyone can say or do at this time to ease the burden that you are feeling...i will put you and your daughter in my prayers
love
janet
Hi, Ollies mom..the exact scenerio played out in my home many, many times. All I can tell you is I finally had to let her go and she can't come back until she's gone to rehab..and then, hopefully, a half-way house cause I don't think we're much help to them in their recovery. It's too easy for them to go back to trying to manipulate us. Brittany is not yet in rehab..she's called wanting to come home and I've said no (this is the longest I have denied her) finally she called wanting help; so i brought her home here..and within two days another violent scene. It's been about a month now..no rehab yet, but her manipulating is wearing itself out. She knows somehow that I won't be reacting the same..so she's getting closer to help. Take a step back and let her get their on her own this time. It's the only way. I too called the police on britt...it was the hardest thing I ever did.
Heartache,
Its just so hard. My brothers have kids none are involved in this stuff and they offer advice all the time. All you have to do is............ They just dont have a clue. I dont think i will see her for quite a while this time but maybe its for the best. I told her before this happened about the free rehab posted on this board and that when shes at the end of herself and wants help i will have the number. Maybe she will remember.......When i called the police it really wasnt because of the violence but it should have been. It was because she was threatening to kill herself and in Idaho if you say you want to die or will kill yourself they are supposed to put you in protective custody but even though she said it in front of him,sigh, it didnt happen. At this point, today, i'm just hoping for peace and quiet. I'm 47 and i feel so damn old. I never did drugs, was too afraid of what my parents would do if they found out i guess and i had a healthy respect for them. My ex husband smoked pot before we were together but it stopped when we got together. Have you ever seen the commercial on tv, the one that says, talk to your kids about cigarettes, drugs and sex when they are young.........they'll listen to you? i did that, the commercial bitterly makes me want to gag when i hear it. Today i feel very angry and i'm afraid this post sounds angry, sorry. Maybe later will be better, thank you everyone for listening and posting, its helps so much. Olliesmom
Its just so hard. My brothers have kids none are involved in this stuff and they offer advice all the time. All you have to do is............ They just dont have a clue. I dont think i will see her for quite a while this time but maybe its for the best. I told her before this happened about the free rehab posted on this board and that when shes at the end of herself and wants help i will have the number. Maybe she will remember.......When i called the police it really wasnt because of the violence but it should have been. It was because she was threatening to kill herself and in Idaho if you say you want to die or will kill yourself they are supposed to put you in protective custody but even though she said it in front of him,sigh, it didnt happen. At this point, today, i'm just hoping for peace and quiet. I'm 47 and i feel so damn old. I never did drugs, was too afraid of what my parents would do if they found out i guess and i had a healthy respect for them. My ex husband smoked pot before we were together but it stopped when we got together. Have you ever seen the commercial on tv, the one that says, talk to your kids about cigarettes, drugs and sex when they are young.........they'll listen to you? i did that, the commercial bitterly makes me want to gag when i hear it. Today i feel very angry and i'm afraid this post sounds angry, sorry. Maybe later will be better, thank you everyone for listening and posting, its helps so much. Olliesmom
Hi, Ollie's mom...you sound just like me. I'm 44 and feel 80 most of the time...though I do feel better not dealing with Britt on a daily basis..though the worry and heartache linger. Yes, I do know that commercial. I too want to gag because we've probably all pounded it into our kids' heads through the years. Dr. Phil also makes me want to gag when he says, "You need to get this kid in rehab before the sun sets tonight" as if he's ever tried to do that with no insurance or money (the cost of these rehabs is ROBBERY." I also have been judged by friends and family who seem to know exactly what we should do, but never thing to just hold us and say, "I know this is killing you to watch your baby suffer." I know I really wanted just one person to acknowledge the pain that losing your child to addiction causes...just see that our WHOLE LIFE is lost until our child is better. You hang in there...it really does get easier when we give up the fight...but the ache remains. We just have to believe all the addicts know what they're talking about when they say, "We had to hit bottom." And we prevent that..even though our intention was to save them. I'll pray for you and your daughter.
Heartache,
We sound so much alike, i suppose most of us on this board are so alike though we fell so different. Doctor Phil makes me gag too. Rehab is so expensive..........I paid my house off last year and then took out a mortgage to put her in rehab that she got kicked out of early, no refunds of course. I dont make a lot and its hard. I always thought i was a good parent until the last four years. First the son, a whole other story including meth, and now the daughter. I was so sad saturday after the episode here and now i'm just feeling so angry. She says i'll never see her again and I almost wish it were true, in a week i will be missing her terribly. My brothers tell me to write it off........they dont get it. She isnt a failed marriage or something she is my child. I cant just write her off. Though i know the choices she makes are hers, i still feel deep down that i did something wrong or didnt do something right or didnt do something enough. Other times i realize this is all on her. I know after being so angry i will be just numb, i remember that from the son and its almost comforting to just be numb for a while. I will pray for you and your daughter but i must admit, i dont think anyone is listening to the prayers............
We sound so much alike, i suppose most of us on this board are so alike though we fell so different. Doctor Phil makes me gag too. Rehab is so expensive..........I paid my house off last year and then took out a mortgage to put her in rehab that she got kicked out of early, no refunds of course. I dont make a lot and its hard. I always thought i was a good parent until the last four years. First the son, a whole other story including meth, and now the daughter. I was so sad saturday after the episode here and now i'm just feeling so angry. She says i'll never see her again and I almost wish it were true, in a week i will be missing her terribly. My brothers tell me to write it off........they dont get it. She isnt a failed marriage or something she is my child. I cant just write her off. Though i know the choices she makes are hers, i still feel deep down that i did something wrong or didnt do something right or didnt do something enough. Other times i realize this is all on her. I know after being so angry i will be just numb, i remember that from the son and its almost comforting to just be numb for a while. I will pray for you and your daughter but i must admit, i dont think anyone is listening to the prayers............
Oh, Ollie's mom, I feel so sad for you...I don't know how you surrvive living through this twice. The system sucks, the addition sucks..the whole thing just sucks. My daughter said I'd never see her again and all that....it's not your daughter talking, it's the drugs (big comfort, huh?) Seems now that Britt knows I'm not buying into the whole thing, she is not torturing me so much. I too feel like my prayers are not being answered...faith is a struggle for me. I guess we need to pray for a way to cope. Unless someone's been here, they don't understand, Ollie's mom...and that's why we need each other. The immense pain in our hearts is something someone who hasn't been there won't ever understand and I guess we can't expect them too. I had to succumb to screaming at my friends just to get them to hear, "I know what I have to do. I am not in denial. I am losing my child. it hurts. My whole life feels like it's been a waste. I just want you to every now and then acknowledge that and not keep telling me to just let her go." After the breakdown, I think they FINALLY understood, I'm well aware of the situation, but it's my heart that is breaking..and they've been better at dealing with me since. They even apologized for not seeing the obvious. Their focus was on how my child was hurting me and I shouldn't allow it...they never stopped to think my focus was on "I'm losing my child." Where do you live? I'm in L.A. the more you vent, the better you'll feel. luv corrinne
Meth changes the whole personality to one of a demon, totally negative, they are paranoid, extremely sensitive to anything said, they become increasingly delusional.
The violence, yelling, screaming, refusing to talk about their addiction, denying they have an addiction, always trying on their own to quit but if they do they soon relapse.
Meth addiction lasts a long time after the person quits using. The brain is damaged and changed in big ways. If there is any way you can get her to get the new treatment, do it now, it's gvg and it works. Go to www.bnl.gov. Also look at 2 clinical trial results details on Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners website.
The violence, yelling, screaming, refusing to talk about their addiction, denying they have an addiction, always trying on their own to quit but if they do they soon relapse.
Meth addiction lasts a long time after the person quits using. The brain is damaged and changed in big ways. If there is any way you can get her to get the new treatment, do it now, it's gvg and it works. Go to www.bnl.gov. Also look at 2 clinical trial results details on Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners website.
I live in a very small town in the panhandle of idaho and meth is an outrageous problem here. Its just everywhere. I think its just my kids but its so many kids. I agree that friends dont get it either and most are good hearted but dont get it. They just can seem to fathom that i am worried i will BURY her, that she will die and i will never see her again. Its not like she is smoking a joint after school, she could die from this. She is 5ft 10 and lost down to 92 pounds when she went into rehab in march, she has gained about 30 pounds and looks great now. She has dark lines across her toenails from the lack of food before. They have never seen the anger before from her, i'm sure you've seen it in your daughter. When you are almost afraid of your own child and what they will do to themselves and maybe you. My best friend has two kids a daughter and son my kids age. She raised them in a terribly abusive home with an alcoholic, violent father and they have turned out great. I love her so much and sometimes inside i am so jealous of her and i get angry because our home wasnt like that and still my kids have chosen this life. I dont think i will see my daughter for awhile, the incident this weekend was the worst thats ever happened and i think she will stay away. I dont know if that is good or bad but i guess its quiet at least. I try not to think about it..........but at night when it gets quiet its all thats there in my mind. I just keep thinking that i told her about the rehab posted here and maybe when its too much again she will ask for help...
you two women have me in tears...wanting to sob...i wish i hadn't gotten addicted...now i know with your sharing, how much it hurts the family...i will continue to pray for your children and your family...and i pray at 46, that i don't have to go through this with my children, but i know that i have made them even more prone to this insidious disease...God Bless you both, and ease some of the pain that you feel!
Laurie, is this a drug that you are talking about that has great promise! What do you know about it, i will go to the website.
Bumpsnomore, I hope you are well now.........
Bumpsnomore, I hope you are well now.........
olliesmom, i am doing one day at a time, which is all any one of us can do...i thank you so much for sharing what you are going through...it opens my eyes to what i have done to myself and my family...
laurie, i cant access that website, it says its for employees only etc. Did i not click on the right place. olliesmom
Ollie's Mom,
Yes Ollie's Mom, Gvg is an old epilepsy drug. Website is for the public at www.BNL.GOV. At top left side of page in search box, type in GVG, you will get articles on studies. The FDA has approved it for clinical trials in the U.S., but they will take 5 years. So, it's available now at clinical trial site in Mexicali. There were 2 successful trials there in 03 and 04 for cocaine and meth. It takes two weeks to stop cravings by tempering the dopamine system down to normal. I've heard of someone who took it successfully in town next to mine. A teacher/doctor I know wanted address/phone so they could go to clinic and help out. Also, if you look further down on this meth board you'll see "gvg infomercials", which has my posts that someone collected and posted. Apparently I overdid the posting.
20 years ago my daughter began using drugs and it's been hell so I started reading what scientists have discovered about drug addiction, ran into gvg studies 7 yrs. ago.
The more and often meth is used the worse the damage. If you need any more info let me know.
Yes Ollie's Mom, Gvg is an old epilepsy drug. Website is for the public at www.BNL.GOV. At top left side of page in search box, type in GVG, you will get articles on studies. The FDA has approved it for clinical trials in the U.S., but they will take 5 years. So, it's available now at clinical trial site in Mexicali. There were 2 successful trials there in 03 and 04 for cocaine and meth. It takes two weeks to stop cravings by tempering the dopamine system down to normal. I've heard of someone who took it successfully in town next to mine. A teacher/doctor I know wanted address/phone so they could go to clinic and help out. Also, if you look further down on this meth board you'll see "gvg infomercials", which has my posts that someone collected and posted. Apparently I overdid the posting.
20 years ago my daughter began using drugs and it's been hell so I started reading what scientists have discovered about drug addiction, ran into gvg studies 7 yrs. ago.
The more and often meth is used the worse the damage. If you need any more info let me know.
I wonder about this drug. With the horrible thing that meth is doing to this nation and the familys in it..........we quickly ok a drug for male impotence, i heard it was the quickest drug ok in history and wait years for this. I dont think that people not directly involved understand who it takes a toll on.They seem to only understand the financial end of the devasation when it hits their pocketbooks through the "welfare" system but they dont understand the deep and longlasting devastation. If you read my other post you know my daughter is involved now. My son, who is 22 has been involved in meth for three or more years, I was apparently one of the last to know that he had been doing it that long. He has a son that will be three in Dec. My grandsons mother is also involved in meth. She doesnt want to raise him anymore because she wants her teen years back and wants to use all the time. My son is in prison,when he was 18 he burgalrized places to feed his habit. He now sits in prison, unable or unwilling to live by the terms of his probation for these crimes, i'm unsure which it is.....he says because he needs the drugsso he cant follow the rules. My grandson in the meantime is here with me. My grandsons mothers parents are involved in meth, I find it so hard to believe, they are in their 40s, they have been in and out of prison for twenty years. The three underage children they have are being raised by their parents, the childrens grandparents, in their 70s. It just continues on and on. I wonder if someday my grandson will be lost in meth, who will be there to raise his child?Will there be anyone left to do it? IF there is something that helps why isnt it here for them to use? Its all so frustrating. I understand the situation with having to know the harm a drug can do but could the harm be worse than the meth, really., ollies mom
To CORRINNE and OLLIESMOM, my heart goes out to both of you, I can relate to what you've both said, I have two meth addict grown adults? in 30's, one bad off and the other maintains her weight since she's not using throughout the day like my other addict. Studies have shown that addicts supported emotionally by their family do the best, but sometimes the best support is not enough. To support with love is not enabling. When they ask for money it's best not to give it, I tell them I will buy them this or that item they need, like food, but won't give them money, I try to get the one to eat, she's so thin. If they live with drug friends, they are surrounded by drugs and so enticed to do more, please do anything possible to get them out of this type of situation!!
About reaching bottoms, it will prompt them to quit drugs for months, but addiction is a chronic relapsing brain disease. Newer addicts can quit for good 'easier', but this is very difficult at best. With meth it's extremely hard to quit even with a one year addiction but it can happen, I've seen it in several cases. In general there are much less addicts who can quit meth for good than with other drugs, except maybe heroin. There is a court appointed man who helps women with children find rehabs. He is sharp, you'd never know he used to have a meth addiction, he went to rehabs 36 times before it worked, a rare determination, I think he used meth for a shorter time. Meth is called the devil's drug, that's what we're dealing with. Meth raises dopamine 2700 times above normal, while cocaine raises dopamine 550 times above normal, alcohol 140 times above normal. Meth is a man made chemical lethal mix that destroys many areas of the brain, and body, it's the most highly addictive dangerous drug out there.
Kids try drugs because of peer pressure, they try it to see what this thrill they are told about will be like, and seems quite harmless in the beginning and they have not a clue that they will become addicted and a slave to meth. No one chooses to become an addict. Just as kids have always tried cigarettes and alcohol in my generation,they are now trying far worse drugs, and some get addicted because of genetic susciptibility while others don't. With Meth it does not take much if any genetics to make them an addict. Though addicted they are still responsible to fight their way out of the addiction, but the 'big' problem is that the brain is hijacked by meth, It attacks the pleasure and mood center of the brain, turning them into delusional, stubborn, denying, angry and paranoid people that think they cannot live or be happy without meth. In truth, when long term and heavy use destroys the dopamine receptors they truly cannot feel pleasure even after quitting meth. Meth addicts end up using just to feel 'normal', no more high. Dopamine receptors do not grow back!
If they are new meth addicts and are willing to take treatment, I say help them to do it NOW while there is a willingness, before their brain deteriorates to no cooperation whatsoever. I read an article that meth users have a mediction avoidance fear to 'all' meds, while they are killing themselves with meth of course. I'm dealing with the med avoidance fear right now with my worst addict, while my other addict is willing to take anti-depressants which help with symptoms but doesn't touch the addiction.
Corrinne, you are in Ca., so would be close to clincial trial site where you could get gvg treatment, it's only little over $300 for whole treatment there.
Ollliesmom, I'd fly from Idaho to get gvg treament if my daughters would take it. It is the answer. Gvg has proved totally 'safe' for addiction treatment.
If either of you need to know anything else, I've got links and info. God bless you and your loved addicts straight to permanent recovery!!
About reaching bottoms, it will prompt them to quit drugs for months, but addiction is a chronic relapsing brain disease. Newer addicts can quit for good 'easier', but this is very difficult at best. With meth it's extremely hard to quit even with a one year addiction but it can happen, I've seen it in several cases. In general there are much less addicts who can quit meth for good than with other drugs, except maybe heroin. There is a court appointed man who helps women with children find rehabs. He is sharp, you'd never know he used to have a meth addiction, he went to rehabs 36 times before it worked, a rare determination, I think he used meth for a shorter time. Meth is called the devil's drug, that's what we're dealing with. Meth raises dopamine 2700 times above normal, while cocaine raises dopamine 550 times above normal, alcohol 140 times above normal. Meth is a man made chemical lethal mix that destroys many areas of the brain, and body, it's the most highly addictive dangerous drug out there.
Kids try drugs because of peer pressure, they try it to see what this thrill they are told about will be like, and seems quite harmless in the beginning and they have not a clue that they will become addicted and a slave to meth. No one chooses to become an addict. Just as kids have always tried cigarettes and alcohol in my generation,they are now trying far worse drugs, and some get addicted because of genetic susciptibility while others don't. With Meth it does not take much if any genetics to make them an addict. Though addicted they are still responsible to fight their way out of the addiction, but the 'big' problem is that the brain is hijacked by meth, It attacks the pleasure and mood center of the brain, turning them into delusional, stubborn, denying, angry and paranoid people that think they cannot live or be happy without meth. In truth, when long term and heavy use destroys the dopamine receptors they truly cannot feel pleasure even after quitting meth. Meth addicts end up using just to feel 'normal', no more high. Dopamine receptors do not grow back!
If they are new meth addicts and are willing to take treatment, I say help them to do it NOW while there is a willingness, before their brain deteriorates to no cooperation whatsoever. I read an article that meth users have a mediction avoidance fear to 'all' meds, while they are killing themselves with meth of course. I'm dealing with the med avoidance fear right now with my worst addict, while my other addict is willing to take anti-depressants which help with symptoms but doesn't touch the addiction.
Corrinne, you are in Ca., so would be close to clincial trial site where you could get gvg treatment, it's only little over $300 for whole treatment there.
Ollliesmom, I'd fly from Idaho to get gvg treament if my daughters would take it. It is the answer. Gvg has proved totally 'safe' for addiction treatment.
If either of you need to know anything else, I've got links and info. God bless you and your loved addicts straight to permanent recovery!!
Olliesmom,
So you have two kids on meth, plus daughterinlaw, and two parents, sounds like half your family. Idaho isn't what it used to be. Neither is the rest of the nation. A lot of meth comes from South America, Mexico up to Ca., and I hear the midwest has many meth labs now. Truckers in california are bringing meth to the East. I think they need to check every single building everywhere regularly, be proactive instead of reactive, we are in a war after all!
About safety, the two gvg clinical trials were also done for safety, and gvg determined to be safe at doses given for addiction. It said that even while using meth and cocaine, the subjects vital signs stayed 'normal' on gvg. The amount of gvg used for any addiction, is far far less than the amount required to cause any eye problems that occurred in some epilepsy patients...who used high doses for a long period of time.
I have wondered like you WHY this epidemic of destructive and lethal street drugs that destroy addicts and families has not had a swift treatment medication produced much sooner. Gvg was discovered to work on animals for addiction in '86. Our government will rush to find meds with research for epidemics, like Aids, etc., and the darn Viagra. I read that the dedicated scientists involved in gvg have done everything they could to get it through the processes of drug approval, but they are under the health institute and FDA's thumb. First, the French co.? that makes gvg for epilepsy and gave it to Brookhaven for addiction experimentation, would not release it for addiction therapy, they couldn't see $$ in it, didn't think drug addicts would want help. That stalled things for a few years, the scientists felt their hands were tied. Then I read that Brookhaven somehow awarded gvg (generic) to David Pharma. co., for development, but that fell threw. Now Brookhaven has awarded license to Catalyst Pharmaceutical and trials were scheduled for first of this year, but still have not started. The FDA in Jan. gave approval for this company to do clincial trials. Brookhaven had to give a very large mountain of works on gvg to the national institute of health to get this ball rolling, said to be the largest amount of work done on any addiction med treatment. Even though it's a 20 yr. old epilepsy drug much is know about! Then I read our government 'national institute of health' was asking for applications from pharmaceutical cos. to develop gvg and for clinical trials, this application was only open till July 5th. Who got the job I don't know, hopefully Catalyst, doesn't seem there are any other Pharmaceutical cos. in addiction business. But this tells you our government has confidence in gvg for addiction.
Drugs normally take 15 or 20 years to become available, but we are in a deadly epidemic of mind/body destroying drugs that destroys the addicts and their families and is bringing a society down for years and years now. I phoned Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners about when trials would start, are passed due to start, but they couldn't tell me anything. Clinical trials should start soon but 5 yrs. to public availability is a long time, and it's availabe now at clinical trial site for a low price. It's available in over 65 other countries as well.
So you have two kids on meth, plus daughterinlaw, and two parents, sounds like half your family. Idaho isn't what it used to be. Neither is the rest of the nation. A lot of meth comes from South America, Mexico up to Ca., and I hear the midwest has many meth labs now. Truckers in california are bringing meth to the East. I think they need to check every single building everywhere regularly, be proactive instead of reactive, we are in a war after all!
About safety, the two gvg clinical trials were also done for safety, and gvg determined to be safe at doses given for addiction. It said that even while using meth and cocaine, the subjects vital signs stayed 'normal' on gvg. The amount of gvg used for any addiction, is far far less than the amount required to cause any eye problems that occurred in some epilepsy patients...who used high doses for a long period of time.
I have wondered like you WHY this epidemic of destructive and lethal street drugs that destroy addicts and families has not had a swift treatment medication produced much sooner. Gvg was discovered to work on animals for addiction in '86. Our government will rush to find meds with research for epidemics, like Aids, etc., and the darn Viagra. I read that the dedicated scientists involved in gvg have done everything they could to get it through the processes of drug approval, but they are under the health institute and FDA's thumb. First, the French co.? that makes gvg for epilepsy and gave it to Brookhaven for addiction experimentation, would not release it for addiction therapy, they couldn't see $$ in it, didn't think drug addicts would want help. That stalled things for a few years, the scientists felt their hands were tied. Then I read that Brookhaven somehow awarded gvg (generic) to David Pharma. co., for development, but that fell threw. Now Brookhaven has awarded license to Catalyst Pharmaceutical and trials were scheduled for first of this year, but still have not started. The FDA in Jan. gave approval for this company to do clincial trials. Brookhaven had to give a very large mountain of works on gvg to the national institute of health to get this ball rolling, said to be the largest amount of work done on any addiction med treatment. Even though it's a 20 yr. old epilepsy drug much is know about! Then I read our government 'national institute of health' was asking for applications from pharmaceutical cos. to develop gvg and for clinical trials, this application was only open till July 5th. Who got the job I don't know, hopefully Catalyst, doesn't seem there are any other Pharmaceutical cos. in addiction business. But this tells you our government has confidence in gvg for addiction.
Drugs normally take 15 or 20 years to become available, but we are in a deadly epidemic of mind/body destroying drugs that destroys the addicts and their families and is bringing a society down for years and years now. I phoned Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners about when trials would start, are passed due to start, but they couldn't tell me anything. Clinical trials should start soon but 5 yrs. to public availability is a long time, and it's availabe now at clinical trial site for a low price. It's available in over 65 other countries as well.
To Olliesmom and Corrinne,
You both mentioned prayers and one said not being answered. God hears every prayer and He wants your loved ones out of addiction to lead good normal lives. I've learned from God that both spiritual and physical is needed in this fight, in most cases. This is a spiritual world but also is physcial which needs 'action'. Through prayer and action, God will arrange things to help our addicts, and that usually takes awhile and it means a lot of suffering. I also know from a previous unrelated miracle soon after becoming a Christian, that God wants me to keep fighting constantly toward their addiction recovery, by doing His will, and He has told me in many ways that He will anwer my prayers to victory!
You both mentioned prayers and one said not being answered. God hears every prayer and He wants your loved ones out of addiction to lead good normal lives. I've learned from God that both spiritual and physical is needed in this fight, in most cases. This is a spiritual world but also is physcial which needs 'action'. Through prayer and action, God will arrange things to help our addicts, and that usually takes awhile and it means a lot of suffering. I also know from a previous unrelated miracle soon after becoming a Christian, that God wants me to keep fighting constantly toward their addiction recovery, by doing His will, and He has told me in many ways that He will anwer my prayers to victory!
Laurie, i must not have been clear about my family and meth. Both of my kids are involved in it. My son and his girlfriend were never married.........and they are no longer together, she is involved in it and her parents, no relation to me, are the ones that are involved with meth and many other things. My family on the other hand...my son is the first person in our family to even get arrested since the 20's. I think its one reason its so hard to understand because we dont come from a family that has had these problems in the past. Here the kids make it themselves. The cops here do meth raids fairly often, for this being such a small community. Just wanted to dlear the family thing up. Olliesmom
Olliesmom,
Ex girlfriend, not daughter in law, I see. I understood it was your two kids using and son's ex and her parents, and your grandchildren are being raised by their great grandparents, if this is right. This is so horrible, I hope the great grandparents are good caregivers. It's all hard to understand the evil power of meth until you are involved in it. I had no one with any addiction except two cigarette smokers in either side of my family. My father from North Dakota doesn't understand at all and is angry. Family just thinks they are bumbs who should get a job. My son was also on meth and thanks to served time in prison for meth, several years, he came out with his brain healed enough to not go back to any substance. He drinks coffee, that's it.
But I've noticed that even recovered addicts, can still hate their relative who is addicted, including my ex crazy husband who used to be alcoholic calls my worst off daughter names and my son tried to push her over the edge with names once, and she is the sweetest person with the biggest heart ever. I guess maybe her presence and looking so very ill triggers their old cravings.
I was the one who married my ex, and he wrecked my kids lives and I will forever feel guilty. Both sides of my family have done very well in life.
Ex girlfriend, not daughter in law, I see. I understood it was your two kids using and son's ex and her parents, and your grandchildren are being raised by their great grandparents, if this is right. This is so horrible, I hope the great grandparents are good caregivers. It's all hard to understand the evil power of meth until you are involved in it. I had no one with any addiction except two cigarette smokers in either side of my family. My father from North Dakota doesn't understand at all and is angry. Family just thinks they are bumbs who should get a job. My son was also on meth and thanks to served time in prison for meth, several years, he came out with his brain healed enough to not go back to any substance. He drinks coffee, that's it.
But I've noticed that even recovered addicts, can still hate their relative who is addicted, including my ex crazy husband who used to be alcoholic calls my worst off daughter names and my son tried to push her over the edge with names once, and she is the sweetest person with the biggest heart ever. I guess maybe her presence and looking so very ill triggers their old cravings.
I was the one who married my ex, and he wrecked my kids lives and I will forever feel guilty. Both sides of my family have done very well in life.
I have the grandson with me. He will be three soon. My grandsons mother is 20. She has three younger siblings, one may be 18 now, they have all been raised by their grandparents for the last, almost three years. Their parents, the girlfriends mom and dad, have been addicted for the last twenty years and meth is the latest addiction. The grandparents are in their 70s and are good people, to look at them you wouldnt believe their son could turn out like this. Gee, what a complicated group, i hope i've explained it all now so a person can understand it...... I hope when the son gets out he will be better, raise his son, provide for him........I dont know though and time will tell. If it doesnt work out that way he will stay with me. Its strange but its almost calming to know hes locked up and isnt out using. I keep thinking that the daughter saw him go through this and that should have scared her off. I guess i dont get the draw of using the first time. I think i feared my parents too much. Not in a bad way but my parents were so consistent. If they said, do this and this will happen, it did. I think i should have been more consistant. If i had it to do over again....olliesmom
