hello everyone,me and my wife was sitting at the table haveing a disscusion on when it is consired excepetable to take pain medication and my opion is which is probally wrong is when otc meds don't work for ya and another topic was if pain med can be taken to combat severe depperison is that ok if you tryed every other route and nonthing has worked because i have read alot of post from people that suffer from bp and has tryed anti depresants and have had no sucess,i know this sounds like i'm looking for an excuse to use again, but i'm not even though all the above aplies to me i'm just trying to understand this double edged sword a little bit better,plain and simple i take pain meds or should i say have taken[past tense]do to physical pain and mental pain also;my problem is i don't take as subscribe,like most of us do,any input would be very appericated.thanks for being there for me.GOD BLESS....VINNY
Vinny,
There are alot of people with varying degrees of opinions on this I'm sure. I'm a chronic pain patient. I got off Oxy and my body was addicted and it was hell coming off. I never took meds for the high. I always took them as ordered. I was in an accident in 1997 and suffered a huge disability in my leg. I was not expected to walk again and have had 5 surgeries on it to reconstruct. I have pain in my hip and back from the dengeneration with degenerative disease settling in. Because of life threatening condition I cannot take NSAIDs or any othe med than codiene or similar for pain. I came off the Oxy but everynow and then I take a Vicodin to ease the pain.
I never deviate from the doctor's orders but I never did with Oxy either and yet they were hell to come off of. So many people say if you take as prescribed you are still clean. Many people have chronic pain and why live in total despair?
As for depression ......... pain meds like narcotics will not relieve this. They may in fact make it worse. However, sometimes antidepressants help if you can find the right one for your body. In this case again I say why suffer through life? We tend to put this pill patch on everything but in some cases I think they really do help. And without it I have watched people commit suicide who were helped tremendously with antidepressants when they tried it. So I think it depends on the person.
I wresteld with this alot and decided I had to do what was right for me. Everyone had an opinion but noone but me lives in this body. I think it takes alot of real honest inquiry to see this and make the best choice. I just refuse to live a lessor life because of my pain. I will do massage, alternative stuff, but when push comes to shove if I can't walk once I get moving in a morning I will take a pain pill to help. I know it's not what alot would do but quality of life has to be figured in the equation somehow. I would rather not take them but sometimes I cannot function without them. I never will allow myself to chew one or take them to get a buzz. I know this is the line and the kiss of death.
I'm not willing to throw it away ever again.
Best Wishes,
PM
There are alot of people with varying degrees of opinions on this I'm sure. I'm a chronic pain patient. I got off Oxy and my body was addicted and it was hell coming off. I never took meds for the high. I always took them as ordered. I was in an accident in 1997 and suffered a huge disability in my leg. I was not expected to walk again and have had 5 surgeries on it to reconstruct. I have pain in my hip and back from the dengeneration with degenerative disease settling in. Because of life threatening condition I cannot take NSAIDs or any othe med than codiene or similar for pain. I came off the Oxy but everynow and then I take a Vicodin to ease the pain.
I never deviate from the doctor's orders but I never did with Oxy either and yet they were hell to come off of. So many people say if you take as prescribed you are still clean. Many people have chronic pain and why live in total despair?
As for depression ......... pain meds like narcotics will not relieve this. They may in fact make it worse. However, sometimes antidepressants help if you can find the right one for your body. In this case again I say why suffer through life? We tend to put this pill patch on everything but in some cases I think they really do help. And without it I have watched people commit suicide who were helped tremendously with antidepressants when they tried it. So I think it depends on the person.
I wresteld with this alot and decided I had to do what was right for me. Everyone had an opinion but noone but me lives in this body. I think it takes alot of real honest inquiry to see this and make the best choice. I just refuse to live a lessor life because of my pain. I will do massage, alternative stuff, but when push comes to shove if I can't walk once I get moving in a morning I will take a pain pill to help. I know it's not what alot would do but quality of life has to be figured in the equation somehow. I would rather not take them but sometimes I cannot function without them. I never will allow myself to chew one or take them to get a buzz. I know this is the line and the kiss of death.
I'm not willing to throw it away ever again.
Best Wishes,
PM
Vinny:
What do I know? I'm new at this too. This seems to be a big debate. My addict thinking will conjure up pain just to get a hold of medication. Some pill meetings have a 3rd tradition, stop using pills or stop using pills ADDICTIVELY. That leaves too much wiggle room for me personaly. I never took antibiotics the way I took Norcos. My mom has a whole bottle of Vic's from 1999 in her drawer. She says they make her feel nautious. Get over it you wuss, I say, but I am the weird one I guess. She bought a Brinks safe and hid all of her medications from me--which is so pathetic. I better be on a gurney in a hospital or have some one else dole them out to me.
I've never had a doctor prescribe pain meds for depression. Thats a tough question huh? Maybe you and your wife should focus on the Boner.
What do I know? I'm new at this too. This seems to be a big debate. My addict thinking will conjure up pain just to get a hold of medication. Some pill meetings have a 3rd tradition, stop using pills or stop using pills ADDICTIVELY. That leaves too much wiggle room for me personaly. I never took antibiotics the way I took Norcos. My mom has a whole bottle of Vic's from 1999 in her drawer. She says they make her feel nautious. Get over it you wuss, I say, but I am the weird one I guess. She bought a Brinks safe and hid all of her medications from me--which is so pathetic. I better be on a gurney in a hospital or have some one else dole them out to me.
I've never had a doctor prescribe pain meds for depression. Thats a tough question huh? Maybe you and your wife should focus on the Boner.
Vinny, I wouldn't do it if I were you. That is out of kindess. I found out the hard way..they just don't work like they used to...
DEAR SARAH,YOUR RIGHT WHY SHOULD I WASTE MY TIME THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS STUPID AS MY ADDICTION TO PAIN MEDICTAION,WHEN I SHOULD BE MORE FOUCSED ON MY BONER.[LOL],ANYWAYS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING BACK TO WORK;I HAVE WAY TO MUCH IDILE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T MATTER,KINDA BEEN FEELIN LIKE A LOSER SINCE I'VE BEEN OFF WORK,TIME TO GET BACK ON TRACK AND GET THE MONEY THING GOING AGAIN SINCE CHRISTMAS IS AROUND THE CORNER AND MY SON IS WANTING A FOUR WHEELER,s*** WHEN I WAS A KID I WAS LUCKY TO GET A PAIR OF SOCKS,WELL I'M OFF TO CUT 3 ACRES OF WET GRASS.... GOD BLESS. VINNY. PS.ME AND MY BONER WANT TO THANK YOU.........
Vinny, I am bipolar... one day, I got angry at my doctor... he was prescribing all of these different medications for me to combat depression, when I had already found the drug that worked for me - NORCO. I kept asking him "Why can't you just prescribe that to me?? It works, it gives me energy, it puts me in a good mood...."
But because it is addictive, you feel the need to take more and more, which can cause more depression and greater problems in the long run. Would you really be happy if your doctor prescribed 3 Vicodin a day for your depression? Or would you keep wanting him to increase it and increase it?
As for when is pain medicine legit.... this is just me, but I am NOT going to suffer b/c I'm a screw up. If I have surgery or I break a bone or if I have a migraine so bad that I can't get out of bed, I'm going to take opiates again. I see nothing wrong with that.... My problem is that I take them and take them and take them and pretty soon I'm not even sure if I'm taking them for REAL pain any more.
But because it is addictive, you feel the need to take more and more, which can cause more depression and greater problems in the long run. Would you really be happy if your doctor prescribed 3 Vicodin a day for your depression? Or would you keep wanting him to increase it and increase it?
As for when is pain medicine legit.... this is just me, but I am NOT going to suffer b/c I'm a screw up. If I have surgery or I break a bone or if I have a migraine so bad that I can't get out of bed, I'm going to take opiates again. I see nothing wrong with that.... My problem is that I take them and take them and take them and pretty soon I'm not even sure if I'm taking them for REAL pain any more.
Vinny:
Your wife seems very supportive (wink). I have a plan to give any strange medications to my mom to dole out. I'm 27 and pretty healthy so maybe its a little nuerotic to have such a plan but as an addict I can be pretty crafty with any rationalization that can turn in to a loophole. Thats just me.
You really helped me with that thread about your boner--which is why I mentioned it. Not because I'm a perv or anything but it was symbolic of a lot of natural things we suppressed on pills. Isn't it nice to be really ALIVE sometimes? Taste good food, feel sexual, sleep and dream again? Even sober its important just to feel how we feel. Albert Einstein was once asked what the key to his happiness is and he said, "Every day I take at least ten minutes to play." <double wink> LOL
Your wife seems very supportive (wink). I have a plan to give any strange medications to my mom to dole out. I'm 27 and pretty healthy so maybe its a little nuerotic to have such a plan but as an addict I can be pretty crafty with any rationalization that can turn in to a loophole. Thats just me.
You really helped me with that thread about your boner--which is why I mentioned it. Not because I'm a perv or anything but it was symbolic of a lot of natural things we suppressed on pills. Isn't it nice to be really ALIVE sometimes? Taste good food, feel sexual, sleep and dream again? Even sober its important just to feel how we feel. Albert Einstein was once asked what the key to his happiness is and he said, "Every day I take at least ten minutes to play." <double wink> LOL
HI SARAH,I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE FIRST HALF OF YOUR THREAD,WHAT DOES DOLE MEAN?AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT 10 MINUTES A DAY, BUT IT USAULLY END UP MORE LIKE AN HOUR,WELL WRITE BACK AND LET ME KNOW......VINNY
I think Pm sumed it up with 2 words here QUALITY OF LIFE each person is different and their expectations of quality is also different. Each one of us has a different pain threshold. I just think that in todays day and age there are not enough alternitives around well not avalible to the poor anyways. I think the govenment should spend less on war and more on alternitive med, Me well im in pain every single day with arthritis but refuse to take anything why because i know its going to get worse. Jackie xxx
This is a scary subject and one all of us needs to plan for. It's not like alcoholism..where you will never have to take another drink in your life. Pain pills..yep, at some point in your life, you may have to take them. Modern medicine dictates this.
You have to plan so that you're safe. You need tons of support and absolutly NO way of hanging on to them by yourself. If you don't have a spouse or family member nearby, then intrust a sponsor or friend or pharmacist to do it for you. Never think for one minute that you can handle it on your own. You'll be kidding yourself, and it ain't funny. The same goes for if a family member has a surgery or needs pain meds. You don't get to be the nurse and give them their pain meds. Have someone else do it if that person can't do it on their own.
My son had a foot surgery last spring and when my husband went to work during the day, he had my son keep his own pills. I told him to keep them on his body at all times and to even take them into the bathroom and shower with him. AND TO LOCK THE DOOR. We addicts are incredibly sneaky. It messed with my mind the entire time those pills were in my house. And I found a way to get one or two. That was my last relapse.
He has another surgery scheduled for this Christmas break.
Hope this helps..
Cowgirl
You have to plan so that you're safe. You need tons of support and absolutly NO way of hanging on to them by yourself. If you don't have a spouse or family member nearby, then intrust a sponsor or friend or pharmacist to do it for you. Never think for one minute that you can handle it on your own. You'll be kidding yourself, and it ain't funny. The same goes for if a family member has a surgery or needs pain meds. You don't get to be the nurse and give them their pain meds. Have someone else do it if that person can't do it on their own.
My son had a foot surgery last spring and when my husband went to work during the day, he had my son keep his own pills. I told him to keep them on his body at all times and to even take them into the bathroom and shower with him. AND TO LOCK THE DOOR. We addicts are incredibly sneaky. It messed with my mind the entire time those pills were in my house. And I found a way to get one or two. That was my last relapse.
He has another surgery scheduled for this Christmas break.
Hope this helps..
Cowgirl
