I thought about this a bunch while detoxing, is it the "cash doctors" that prescribe enough dosages that would kill a horse just because you have an' mri? No I say, it's nobody's fault but mine as Robert Plant said in the 70's. I will say this though, the feds need to start looking real hard at some of these docs cause innocent people go in with real pain and turn into addicts in a year or less. I was in one of these quack clinics one time and this young girl(about 20) was there because her lawyer sent her to get a "doctors opinion"<<<<<what a fkn joke. I said to this young lady, "watch out taking these pills, they can get addictave". Well no more than a year later I ran into this samr young lady at a different doctors office and she looked like she had aged 10 years...............Just a thought..........................................Sand.
Sandblast, I don't mean to sound harsh but I just refrained from saying anything on two other threads where you made reference to this issue, when I saw this thread. I am sorry that you had a difficult experience and I am sorry that you went through everything that you did, but I don't think that blaming doctors on one hand and telling everyone that they have to have a doctor's help to detox on the other, is benefitting anyone. I know you're going through a rough time and if it helps you to vent then by all means, that is what this board is for I suppose. I just feel like maybe you are looking for something to have control over (the way *other* people detox) and/or someone to blame (the doctors, the feds, the pills). Again I don't know that much about you so maybe I'm way off base, and I don't mean to sound harsh, but this board is also for helping one another and after reading many of your posts this is just my opinion, but it sounds like threre are some issues that you need to look at and deal with in yourself because it seems like you are trying to put those issues off on everyone around you. Hey, no hard feelings, we all do it. I'm just callin' ya on it. *smiles*
No offense taken, I did clearly say "nobody's fault but mine" though. Far as "giving advise" is concerned, I'm not in a position to give any advise. I'm only 7 months clean but I'm a tough dude and I will not let methadone or any other opiads rule my life ever again. Now reading some of your posts, I could say a few things too but instead I will just say nothing................................Sand.
If you have something you'd rather not post on the board, that you feel the need to say, my email is in my signature line. <--- (not meant to sound sarcastic)
Maybe we do need to discuss this, because so often on a message board, without benefit of body language and tone, things don't "sound" the way they are supposed to. :-)
Maybe we do need to discuss this, because so often on a message board, without benefit of body language and tone, things don't "sound" the way they are supposed to. :-)
I agree with SB. In so far as there are way too many Dr. Feelgoods out there. It doesn't make for excuses for many people that are addicted, but it should be better regulated. I think that selling opiates over the internet without requiring a prescription as well, should be a crime. Too many Doctors prescribe heavy opiates without much insight or proper exams, and when a patient they've been prescribing opiates comes to them and says that they're addicted, they just brush them off and say "well go find a place to rehab" as if they didn't have anything to do with it. My ex Doctor still to this day thinks that only certain personalities get addicted. I told him that anyone that has been on Oxycontin for a year or more is addicted, (and some a lot less than a year) he replied that that was just not the case and it was a small percentage that abuse their scripts that get addicted. Thats part of the problem, I think some Doctors aren't educated to the problems with some of the things they prescribe. Even with the huge press that things like Oxycontin are getting.
I don't dispute that sometimes some doctors overprescribe some meds. But the flip side of the coin is, there are already cases of patients in real pain who are unable to get the help they need because their doctors are afraid of all of the regulations. Pain management in seriously ill patients is at the heart of the assisted suicide debate (a whole other can of worms), and I've personally seen a lot of cancer patients, etc. suffer needlessly because their doctors were afraid to prescribe something that could have helped them. I think there has to be a fair balance between helping the people who truly need help, without causing people who don't need strong opiates to become addicted. Just my two cents :-).
I agree. It seems to be all or nothing. The ones that really need it most can't get it and people that just want it for other less pain related reasons seem to be able to seek out the Doctors that give it out like candy. I just think that there are some Doctors that write scripts without fully understanding or relaying to their patients the problems associated with long term opiate use and abuse. I was in Detox with an 80 year old woman that was put on Oxycontin for a relatively minor operation, and she was being switched to Methadone. At 80 years old it seemed to be a little nearsighted on her Doctors part to keep her on Oxycontin for 4 months. She told me that she didn't have much pain after the operation but it made her feel like she was sixty again, and she put all her faith in her G.P. that he was looking out for her best interests. I agree that it's a big debate that won't be solved here, but I think it needs a lot of forthought before it's given out.
Nikobear, you said what I was trying to say, a lot more coherently. *smiles*
Ya' got me all wrong kitty, I wasn't "blaming" then in the same breath telling people to seek a doctor for addiction. I meant the "cash docs" that don't even give ya' one lookover but at the same time prescibe loads of killer stuff without any concious. The doctors I was telling people to go see are the "good one's" . the one's that will help and not hurt. It's so odd that nicobear posted about "docs that get people hooked then tell them to go to a rehab"..........my Aunt was told that just last month. These so called doctors that set up shop to make as much money as possible before the feds catch up with them are the one's i was refering to............Far as our convo' goes kitty, I just didn't like the "issues" thing you said, we all have issues......why the hell are we here?...................Sand.
Hey Sand, you're right. We all *do* have issues. "Why the hell are we here?" you ask? Part of it, for me anyway, is to (hopefully) have someone tell me when I'm justifying, or otherwise trying to not deal with an *issue*. Sometimes it's hard to realize our own problems until someone points them out. Hard as it is and as pissed off as I get when someone does so, I need a place where people will do that for/to me. *smiles*
