Hi guys,
I was going to keep this to myself, then I was going to only tell a few people on here, then decided to just tell you all.
Sharon and Teresa, feel free to throw in or translate or elaborate on the medical stuff.
Remember I told you guys Monday night about cutting my hand? I was very proud of myself because I went five days without any narcotics and refused a prescription. When the numb stuff wore off hours later, it hurt really bad and I started with tylenol extra strength. But I was taking 2-3 every 3-4 hours.
I have a friend who is in chronic pain, lost a leg and other problems and is on methadone and oxycodone. I had given him around 20 from my last prescription because he was running low on his oxycodones.
He came over to look at the computer the next day to see if he could figure out whats wrong with it and pulled out the bottle of percs and gave them back to me, saying they didn't really work for him because he takes plain oxycodone without tylenol and his mgs are 15 and mine are 5. I put them in the cabinet.
Anyway, I had been on just the tylenol for going on 18 hours, but alot and it was working. The percs were there, there were 11 of them left. I decided to take them, not for the pain, but for the buzz, I took five, then around a couple hours later, took six, telling myself that was the best thing to do, enjoy one last buzz, since I got them unexpectedly and perhaps make it this time.
Now we're at 4pm. My neighbor is broke and she was down in the dumps and didn't get paid for another few days, so I went to the store and bought chicken for her family and mine and we ate together and then came over here. I also bought a bottle of brandy and some egg nogg and decided we'd have a couple of them. I had five or six.
I started to feel funny. We were all in the house (mine) and my chest felt heavy and I started to have abdominal cramping. I started to feel panicky and wanted to just go for a walk and get some air. I went outside, and blacked out.
I woke up in intensive care the next day in alot of pain.
The night nurse took alot of time with me (I also had another nurse there who was called in just to sit with me because they said they had to treat it as an overdose until they talked to me and I talked to a few people).
The nurse said I was in so much pain because they tried in the ambulance to incubate? me twice and that didn't work and they bagged? me. She said it was very serious. and that they put charcoal in me and that the toxins in me were dangerously high, life threatening. I just got home last night. My insides feel like they've been stretched out and its hard to talk because my voice keeps going and is really raspy. It was the combination, but mostly the tylenol, not the oxycodone, not the booze, but the tylenol. I had to drink this stuff every couple hours then they'd draw blood to check the levels. I had to have I think seventeen doses at least before I could go.
A psychologist came in too and asked if I tried to kill myself. My children were here when all this happened and evidentally it was a serious thing. Whatever the ambulance guys were saying really scared them.
Teresa and Sharon, what exactly is the incubating (don't know if thats the excact word) and bagging? I know its something to help you breathe.
One of the people I talked to said that it was the tylenol/liquor combination. And I told him I'd been on pain pills years and what and the dose (the dose on the bottle that is).
I've had abdominal problems before, where I get these attacks that are like a gallbladder attack, I've had to go to the er several times for it, once they took out my gallbladder, once my appendix. The nurse that I talked to for so long that night told me that she thinks that since I've been on stuff with tylenol for so long, that perhaps these previous attacks were my liver retaliating, but they didn't pick up on it because they didn't do the extensive stuff they did this time.
Where do I go from here? I didn't try to kill myself. I would never do that and my liquour level wasn't really high, so I didn't pass out from that.
I didn't address the addiction issue with anyone there because I was afraid that they'd interfere and take my kids or something. I have to address this with a professional. They said I almost died. Sharon, is that true? Or do they just say that so you won't drink? If you need more info to answer that, tell me and I'll relay what they told me.
When I left, the doctor wrote me a prescription for oxycodone 5mgs. But it has no tylenol. The dosage is 10mg (she wrote it for 10 but the pharmacist said they didn't make them in that strengh so gave me fives), but he had to call her first because she wrote it for twenty pills. I have taken one last night and one this morning, and I have never been in so much pain, maybe Shar, you can answer this too, why is my chest feeling like I've been gutted? From my collarbone all down feels like my insides have been stretched. They said this would go in a couple of days.
Anyway, now my children have seen me hauled away in an ambulance. My six year old kept asking Lisa (my friend who had them in my absense) Is my mom dead? Is my mom going to die? That hurts worse than anything they could have done to me. I really need help. I thought it was good I was getting by with tylenol. They said some number (liver or something) is normally up to 8 and mine was 36.
Sharon, can you put this into terms for people that may not understand to understand because I'm not sure I even do. I just don't want this to happen to anyone else. Also, I was prescribed about six weeks ago cymbalta, supposedly this is for depression, anxiety and pain. It was the first antidepressant to do something for me at least with panic attacks and anxiety because I only need about 2 xanax a week after being on the cymbalta for a few weeks. I had six refills, and called in the refill and forgot to pick it up. So that hasn't been in me for about a week. Don't know if that has anything to do with anything. Don't know much anymore, just that my son Tom (6) hasn't let me out of his sight since my return home and that I probably traumatized him.
Its time, time for serious help.
We live in a small community, alot of houses, but only one school, thats where I attended a few AA meetings. I stopped going because my daughter heard I was there. I don't know how she heard, but it really pissed me. She didnt understand why I'd be there because I'm not much of a drinker.
Briar, your post scared me soooo bad.... I try to be so good about taking these pills - no more than 4 every 4 hours (so that I'm not ever getting more than 4000mg of Tylenol at once), no alcohol with the pills (your liver cannot absorb alcohol and tylenol at the same time), no other drugs or medications (except Ambien at night).... But your post reminded me that even if we ARE careful, it can still be dangerous.
Everything I've read about drug-induced hepatitis is rarely fatal because the liver can heal itself once the drug is stopped, but I had a friend that died from this in September... That's why I stopped taking these pills back then... His liver failed, which caused all of his other organs (like kidneys and brain) to fail.
I had never seen anyone take pills like he did... He would laugh at me for waiting 3-4 hrs between doses because he would take 8-10, then 30 minutes later take more, then 30 minutes later take more.... He also drank, A LOT. He knew he was hurting his body but he just couldn't stop (I know that feeling).
He had been sick for a few weeks but told everyone it was just a stomach virus... I think if he had been honest w/his doctors, maybe his life would have been saved, but most people had no clue he was on drugs (he owned his own company, was either a millionaire or close to it, had a wife and kids, drove an expensive car)... THAT is the main reason my depression has resurfaced recently, causing me this despair.... You see, I was one of the only ones that knew about his drug problem. He hid this from so many people, but because I was also going through it, he felt comfortable with me. I was the one that had to talk to him when he was sick and throwing up.... I was the one helping him make up excuses to tell his wife why he was so hot and clammy or why his words were slurred..... Then he died and the guilt is unbearable...
Briar, I am so glad you are okay.... So, so glad. Please, if you take pain pills again, please don't drink on them. I'm reading a book on addiction right now and it says that these pills are rarely fatal on their own; it's when they're mixed with alcohol or other depressants that people have overdoses.
Hug your kids today, because you are ALIVE.
We're all here for you....
Danielle
Everything I've read about drug-induced hepatitis is rarely fatal because the liver can heal itself once the drug is stopped, but I had a friend that died from this in September... That's why I stopped taking these pills back then... His liver failed, which caused all of his other organs (like kidneys and brain) to fail.
I had never seen anyone take pills like he did... He would laugh at me for waiting 3-4 hrs between doses because he would take 8-10, then 30 minutes later take more, then 30 minutes later take more.... He also drank, A LOT. He knew he was hurting his body but he just couldn't stop (I know that feeling).
He had been sick for a few weeks but told everyone it was just a stomach virus... I think if he had been honest w/his doctors, maybe his life would have been saved, but most people had no clue he was on drugs (he owned his own company, was either a millionaire or close to it, had a wife and kids, drove an expensive car)... THAT is the main reason my depression has resurfaced recently, causing me this despair.... You see, I was one of the only ones that knew about his drug problem. He hid this from so many people, but because I was also going through it, he felt comfortable with me. I was the one that had to talk to him when he was sick and throwing up.... I was the one helping him make up excuses to tell his wife why he was so hot and clammy or why his words were slurred..... Then he died and the guilt is unbearable...
Briar, I am so glad you are okay.... So, so glad. Please, if you take pain pills again, please don't drink on them. I'm reading a book on addiction right now and it says that these pills are rarely fatal on their own; it's when they're mixed with alcohol or other depressants that people have overdoses.
Hug your kids today, because you are ALIVE.
We're all here for you....
Danielle
Dear Rosie,
OMG, I thank God that you are OK. Dear God, that scares that hell out of me. I'll write more later, I've got Kylee here and she's fussing. I love you so much. Please take care of yourself. I'm sure Sharon or someone will be on soon.
We all love you Roe, please follow the drs. directions. Be careful.
Love,
Marie
OMG, I thank God that you are OK. Dear God, that scares that hell out of me. I'll write more later, I've got Kylee here and she's fussing. I love you so much. Please take care of yourself. I'm sure Sharon or someone will be on soon.
We all love you Roe, please follow the drs. directions. Be careful.
Love,
Marie
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well briar...
first let me say I am glad you were not alone when this happen because this is very serious... I wont over load you with too much info now but only some of the most relevent...
Do you ever remember me telling on here about three times saying that the tylenol is more deadly in the percocets when people take lots at one time and that they are more likely to die from getting toxic liver failure than overdosing on the opiate?... Weill that my friend is exactly what happened to you.... your body builds up a tolerance to the opiate .. the respiratory system gets used to the side effect of depression which the number one effect that kills people that od on opiates (at lease in pill form do to the half life phenomenon)...so if they stay with in there usual range of dose they dont often od... but the liver does not get tolerant to the tylenol... and alcohol further slows the metabolism of the tylenol down by the liver and is toxic to the liver in its own right... it is like a double blow to the liver...
you see tylenol in its truest chemical form is a poision...when it is immediately broken down by the liver it is a posion but just as quickly as it breaks it down into a poison the liver futher breaks it down into a good substance that is useful... but when you add too much to the liver it cant change all the tylenol to good stuff so some of it stays bad... get it... and well like I said if you add alcohol... the liver can be very strong and resilent but if you add too much.. .. some people laugh at those that try to comite suicide by taking tylenol but it can be very effective but a very painful and slow death as it kills the liver and then the rest of the body goes... at anyrate...
the liq you are drinking helps the body to nutralize the tylenol thus doing the work for the liver and ease the work load on it...
now as for bagging and intubation... intubation is when they try to get a tube down into the windpipe to help you breath... this is done often for two reason.. if you are not breathing on your own or having difficulty or if they want to protect your lung if you are vomiting or if they are pumping your stomach and having trouble passing an NG tube to charcoal you... so that the stomach contents dont go into your lungs and cause problems like pnuemonia or worse... this proceedure can make your voice hoarse and your throat soar esp if it is unsuccessful and tried many times... as for your chest being sore well if they had to do any sort of (God forbid.. and I dont think so... so dont worry..) CPR.. then this would cause that... but .... the charcoal is not very pleasing to your lining of your stomach nor is the alcohol and the other stuff you ingested.. so expect some discomfort...
dont worry so much about what they did to you .... just think about what could have happened... what damage might still be found.. how to treat it... and how to help your children deal with what they saw... I know I dont have to tell you that... I am sorry if that all sounded preachy did mean to ...
As for your recovery.... you know what else I am going to say... go to meetings.. tell your doctor.... tell your doctor... tell your doctor... tell your friend no... sorry but dont be mad at me ... would this have happen if about three thing s were different...
1. if you were in a strong program and you had even called a NA/AA friend when you knew you were having pain issues and you had thoughts of this friend coming over... ( i am pretty sure the thought crossed your mind before he even showed up .. right?)
2. even after he gave you the pills you could have talked to a recovering friend... before you took them....
3. if your family knew more about it... and your program was stronger... you could have leaned on them... and not gotten as far as you did...
you did good for a while by not taking the script at first... it is sooo hard when things like this happen .... so enough preaching for me... I love you and I am glad that you could post about it... you are helping more people than you know by doiing that... I am more glad that you made it through that to post it at all...
Just start over and try again... sh** happens ... what is important is (A) that you are here to tell about it.. and (B) that you learn from it...
God Bless you roe....
Teresa
first let me say I am glad you were not alone when this happen because this is very serious... I wont over load you with too much info now but only some of the most relevent...
Do you ever remember me telling on here about three times saying that the tylenol is more deadly in the percocets when people take lots at one time and that they are more likely to die from getting toxic liver failure than overdosing on the opiate?... Weill that my friend is exactly what happened to you.... your body builds up a tolerance to the opiate .. the respiratory system gets used to the side effect of depression which the number one effect that kills people that od on opiates (at lease in pill form do to the half life phenomenon)...so if they stay with in there usual range of dose they dont often od... but the liver does not get tolerant to the tylenol... and alcohol further slows the metabolism of the tylenol down by the liver and is toxic to the liver in its own right... it is like a double blow to the liver...
you see tylenol in its truest chemical form is a poision...when it is immediately broken down by the liver it is a posion but just as quickly as it breaks it down into a poison the liver futher breaks it down into a good substance that is useful... but when you add too much to the liver it cant change all the tylenol to good stuff so some of it stays bad... get it... and well like I said if you add alcohol... the liver can be very strong and resilent but if you add too much.. .. some people laugh at those that try to comite suicide by taking tylenol but it can be very effective but a very painful and slow death as it kills the liver and then the rest of the body goes... at anyrate...
the liq you are drinking helps the body to nutralize the tylenol thus doing the work for the liver and ease the work load on it...
now as for bagging and intubation... intubation is when they try to get a tube down into the windpipe to help you breath... this is done often for two reason.. if you are not breathing on your own or having difficulty or if they want to protect your lung if you are vomiting or if they are pumping your stomach and having trouble passing an NG tube to charcoal you... so that the stomach contents dont go into your lungs and cause problems like pnuemonia or worse... this proceedure can make your voice hoarse and your throat soar esp if it is unsuccessful and tried many times... as for your chest being sore well if they had to do any sort of (God forbid.. and I dont think so... so dont worry..) CPR.. then this would cause that... but .... the charcoal is not very pleasing to your lining of your stomach nor is the alcohol and the other stuff you ingested.. so expect some discomfort...
dont worry so much about what they did to you .... just think about what could have happened... what damage might still be found.. how to treat it... and how to help your children deal with what they saw... I know I dont have to tell you that... I am sorry if that all sounded preachy did mean to ...
As for your recovery.... you know what else I am going to say... go to meetings.. tell your doctor.... tell your doctor... tell your doctor... tell your friend no... sorry but dont be mad at me ... would this have happen if about three thing s were different...
1. if you were in a strong program and you had even called a NA/AA friend when you knew you were having pain issues and you had thoughts of this friend coming over... ( i am pretty sure the thought crossed your mind before he even showed up .. right?)
2. even after he gave you the pills you could have talked to a recovering friend... before you took them....
3. if your family knew more about it... and your program was stronger... you could have leaned on them... and not gotten as far as you did...
you did good for a while by not taking the script at first... it is sooo hard when things like this happen .... so enough preaching for me... I love you and I am glad that you could post about it... you are helping more people than you know by doiing that... I am more glad that you made it through that to post it at all...
Just start over and try again... sh** happens ... what is important is (A) that you are here to tell about it.. and (B) that you learn from it...
God Bless you roe....
Teresa
Hey Briar ,
I'm glad you are ok now. Listen to Teresa, get the help you need. I Need to tell you this too. Not only could you have died from all that, as Teresa explained. But you can end up losing custody of your children just as I did. Let me tell you, I think it would had been easier on me if something like what happened to you that night then losing my kids. That was the worst pain I ever been through. It's been 6 years now since this happened to me and it hasn't gotten any easier. Still hurts like hell. Like I get my kids this weekend. Sunday their dad comes and gets them and I have to see the pain in my 9 year old sons face because he has to leave me. I can't tell you how much pain this caused my kids. It's been devastating to them. Don't do this to them. Please. I feel as if my kids lost their childhood because of this. All these years I had to watch my son cry and vomit because he couldn't handle being seperated from me. Please get help Now, before it's too late. You will end up dead, or you will end up losing your children. Only thing I'm grateful for is they, my children didn't end up with strangers. I hope you understand what I'm saying here. I'm not good at explaining myself. I just feel so badly for children. They are the victims.
Love,
Liz
I'm glad you are ok now. Listen to Teresa, get the help you need. I Need to tell you this too. Not only could you have died from all that, as Teresa explained. But you can end up losing custody of your children just as I did. Let me tell you, I think it would had been easier on me if something like what happened to you that night then losing my kids. That was the worst pain I ever been through. It's been 6 years now since this happened to me and it hasn't gotten any easier. Still hurts like hell. Like I get my kids this weekend. Sunday their dad comes and gets them and I have to see the pain in my 9 year old sons face because he has to leave me. I can't tell you how much pain this caused my kids. It's been devastating to them. Don't do this to them. Please. I feel as if my kids lost their childhood because of this. All these years I had to watch my son cry and vomit because he couldn't handle being seperated from me. Please get help Now, before it's too late. You will end up dead, or you will end up losing your children. Only thing I'm grateful for is they, my children didn't end up with strangers. I hope you understand what I'm saying here. I'm not good at explaining myself. I just feel so badly for children. They are the victims.
Love,
Liz
One more thing Briar, I can't tell you how many times in these years I have thought about killing myself. I have had several attempts. I couldn't handle watching my kids go through all that pain. I really felt death would had been better then watching my son vomit and cry hysterically everytime he had to leave me. I'm seeing a therapist now. Please get help for yourself. You will be doing yourself and your kids a big favor.
Love,
Liz
Love,
Liz
briar
i just wanted to post to tell you i am so glad you are o.k. i know you don't know me but i have been on here since about the last of oct. i don't know much about the medical issues but i do know about the liver disease. i have hep c. my viral load was at one time 1.7 million and they wanted to put me on some god awful medicine that was as bad or worse than the disease. well i did research for natural ways to help correct your liver. i found out that if you take the herb milk thistle and a product called colloidel silver it would help your liver. the milk thistle has in it sylimarin which your liver naturally produces for it's health and that will help your liver get restored the colloidal silver which is just silver water is a natural antibiotic which is good for a lot of viruses. well since i started taking these things along with regular vitamins and minerals a little over a year ago they can't find a trace of the hep c in my blood and my liver functions are completely normal. this is by no means medical advice or a healing method of any sort but it sure worked to help gain back a healthy liver. so if you are worried about your liver go to a health food store and talk to them about these things. all i know is they worked for me and my liver
johnny
i just wanted to post to tell you i am so glad you are o.k. i know you don't know me but i have been on here since about the last of oct. i don't know much about the medical issues but i do know about the liver disease. i have hep c. my viral load was at one time 1.7 million and they wanted to put me on some god awful medicine that was as bad or worse than the disease. well i did research for natural ways to help correct your liver. i found out that if you take the herb milk thistle and a product called colloidel silver it would help your liver. the milk thistle has in it sylimarin which your liver naturally produces for it's health and that will help your liver get restored the colloidal silver which is just silver water is a natural antibiotic which is good for a lot of viruses. well since i started taking these things along with regular vitamins and minerals a little over a year ago they can't find a trace of the hep c in my blood and my liver functions are completely normal. this is by no means medical advice or a healing method of any sort but it sure worked to help gain back a healthy liver. so if you are worried about your liver go to a health food store and talk to them about these things. all i know is they worked for me and my liver
johnny
Hey Jonny,
Thanks for this info. I have a friend that I have been very concerned about who also has hep c. He's not doing well at all. Been on those awful medications that make him too sick to work. I'm going to pass this info on to him. Thank you.
Love,
Liz
Thanks for this info. I have a friend that I have been very concerned about who also has hep c. He's not doing well at all. Been on those awful medications that make him too sick to work. I'm going to pass this info on to him. Thank you.
Love,
Liz
we hear around the rooms of 12-step recovery, if you stick around long enough you will hear your story, or portions of it. you just told what it was like for me at the end of active addiction. you are not alone, dear briar.
and thank God that we lived, briar. thank God that we are able to reach out and share our burdens - it takes courage to be able to do that and when i get still - get real quiet - i am able to go back inside and tap on that same source that enabled with me courage to do the next right thing. i believe this is our most sacred inner spirit nudging us to do the next right thing. i pray for things like more courage - more willingness to be able to take the action to do the next right thing.
the lesson i learned when i found myself in pretty much the same situation as you have experienced briar, is that one pill is too many and one thousand is not enough. when i take one pill that has the potential to alter my thinking, it sets off the phenomenon of cravings. my body doesn't know the difference between when i take a pill for "real" pain or when i take it to just get high. once that craving has taken hold, i find myself caught up in the sickness of this disease. i obsess about where the next pill or high will come from and i compulsively act (use) when i am faced with them.
i didn't need any explanations as to why i lived or the inner workings of why my liver did what it did. i just needed to learn that one pill is too many, and one thousand are never enough. i had to learn that i had to go to any length i could for recovery. because it didn't really matter what my intentions were (when i was abusing and subsequently rendered to a coma) if i had died.
dead is dead.
there for the Grace of God go i. there is a solution, you precious spirit briar. there is a solution.
love -
sammy
dsam2u@comcast.net
and thank God that we lived, briar. thank God that we are able to reach out and share our burdens - it takes courage to be able to do that and when i get still - get real quiet - i am able to go back inside and tap on that same source that enabled with me courage to do the next right thing. i believe this is our most sacred inner spirit nudging us to do the next right thing. i pray for things like more courage - more willingness to be able to take the action to do the next right thing.
the lesson i learned when i found myself in pretty much the same situation as you have experienced briar, is that one pill is too many and one thousand is not enough. when i take one pill that has the potential to alter my thinking, it sets off the phenomenon of cravings. my body doesn't know the difference between when i take a pill for "real" pain or when i take it to just get high. once that craving has taken hold, i find myself caught up in the sickness of this disease. i obsess about where the next pill or high will come from and i compulsively act (use) when i am faced with them.
i didn't need any explanations as to why i lived or the inner workings of why my liver did what it did. i just needed to learn that one pill is too many, and one thousand are never enough. i had to learn that i had to go to any length i could for recovery. because it didn't really matter what my intentions were (when i was abusing and subsequently rendered to a coma) if i had died.
dead is dead.
there for the Grace of God go i. there is a solution, you precious spirit briar. there is a solution.
love -
sammy
dsam2u@comcast.net
Briar, so glad you are safe now, and thanks for having the courage to post about it. It really helps bring home the hard reality of the consequences of continued using. A little like Russian roulette -- who knows on which occasion the body will give out. Scary as all heck, for you and your children I'm sure. Sammy speaks with so much wisdom on this. I have nothing really to add to hers and others posts, except to say again, I am really grateful that you are ok.
glad you are ok now I hope I think they were talking about intibating you , wrong spelling , which is where they put a tube down your throat into your lungs incase you stop breathing. All other posts were correct taking the pills can cause the demon of obsession to rear its strong and ugly head. also the lethal dosage of tylanol is I believe 6000mgs, might not kill you if you get to hospital . Im always amazed how some people take 30 lorcets a day and dont end up in hospital for liver falure, also booze with it can be deadly. Look at this as a learning experience, as awful as it was and think through what MIGHT have happend in worst case senerio, kida with no dad etc. Hopefully this will motivate you to keep on the straight and narow with either meetings therapy ,both and posting hear. let us know how you are doing Best wishes Ray
Briar, God kept you alive for a reason.
He cares, and knows that there is something left for you....
Kerry
He cares, and knows that there is something left for you....
Kerry
What a nightmare you've been through! I'm so glad you're okay and here to tell the tale. Take care, and if you'd like to talk, you know how to find me. Love you, Kat
I sorry to hear what happened to you . And im glad that your o.k.
Im happy that you are hear to at least tell the story of what happened to you instead of us learning it on the news.
Take care and give those kids some big hugs and kisses.
Your friend, Christina
Im happy that you are hear to at least tell the story of what happened to you instead of us learning it on the news.
Take care and give those kids some big hugs and kisses.
Your friend, Christina
Roseanne,
Just got online a little while ago and just read your post. Thank God that you passed out with people around. That in its self saved your life. Its sounds like you quit breathing and they tried to intubate you by putting an ET tube down your throat and couldn't so they manually ventilated you with the ambu bag connected to oxygen (which forces air into your lungs). This along with CPR made your chest sore. The Acetominophen (tylenol) levels were made worse by the alcohol. The medicine they gave you to prevent liver damage was mucomyst. It tastes horrible if not mixed with soda or something and causes stomach cramps and diarrhea. So thus the stomach problems. I'm sure that you will be told that you will need liver function tests regularly for awhile.
The maximum amount of Tylenol one should take per day is 4000mg (4 grams).
Not 4000mg per dose, lol as Danielle mentioned. I have heard that the recommended dose may soon be lowered to 2500mg/day. The problem with Tylenol is that it is in so many other products and often people do not realize that.
Rosie, I am glad that you are out of the hospital and doing better. I am going to send you a private email also.
I love you Briar and God bless,
Just got online a little while ago and just read your post. Thank God that you passed out with people around. That in its self saved your life. Its sounds like you quit breathing and they tried to intubate you by putting an ET tube down your throat and couldn't so they manually ventilated you with the ambu bag connected to oxygen (which forces air into your lungs). This along with CPR made your chest sore. The Acetominophen (tylenol) levels were made worse by the alcohol. The medicine they gave you to prevent liver damage was mucomyst. It tastes horrible if not mixed with soda or something and causes stomach cramps and diarrhea. So thus the stomach problems. I'm sure that you will be told that you will need liver function tests regularly for awhile.
The maximum amount of Tylenol one should take per day is 4000mg (4 grams).
Not 4000mg per dose, lol as Danielle mentioned. I have heard that the recommended dose may soon be lowered to 2500mg/day. The problem with Tylenol is that it is in so many other products and often people do not realize that.
Rosie, I am glad that you are out of the hospital and doing better. I am going to send you a private email also.
I love you Briar and God bless,
Thanks for the support guys. Teresa, the answer to all three questions is a hard and fast no. Your not preachy, I never take it that way from you, when people say take what you need and leave the rest, I'd say I do pretty much need everything you have to say. And Sammy too; All of you guys, really.
The guilt I'm feeling is overwhelming, that the kids saw that.
I'm going to post a bit later, Tom and I are going to the park before it gets dark for a few minutes. Earlier, I went in the fridge to get a glass of eggnog and he started to cry "mommy please don't drink that, you might get sick".
Its time for me to go into an inpatient treatment program. I know I have good intentions and that my heart is in the right place but I can't do this alone. Read the 3 questions Teresa asked me. All I have to do is wait until my husband returns from Wisconsin and I'm going. I really think I need it. Read the questions, I don't have any of those things, if I had, this would not have happened. As much as you guys help, which you do alot, if my mind gets set on taking a pill, I'm not going to take the time to post it.
I hope I can change. I hope so.
I don't mean to keep going on about the medical stuff, I just don't understand why I hurt in the places I hurt.
Teresa, you know that bone between your boobs and up about an inch? its a relatively small bone and every time I take a breath it hurts. What is that about?
That night, there was a cop here and do you know what he did? He took Tommy in his squad car, but first told him to go get his handcuffs and his cop stuff, and they spent the whole time (and I guess it was awhile till the ambulance left) comparing handcuffs, letting him play with the lights, basically played cops with him till the ambulance left. From what I hear, it was chaos. But I'd like to find out who he was and write him a little thank you note. Kind man, whoever he is.
Ok, gonna go, its gonna get dark soon. I'd do anything to have not put my kids thru that.
I think that as much as I want sobriety and the inner peace that radiates from Sammy, and other things that come from other people, without treatment, even if I have to go away for a month, I don't think its achievable. Without treatment I mean. I don't know how. Wanting to live a sober peaceful life reminds me of Sharon's footnote that goes something like addicts want the rewards without the hard work. I'll write later.
With much love,
Roseanne
The guilt I'm feeling is overwhelming, that the kids saw that.
I'm going to post a bit later, Tom and I are going to the park before it gets dark for a few minutes. Earlier, I went in the fridge to get a glass of eggnog and he started to cry "mommy please don't drink that, you might get sick".
Its time for me to go into an inpatient treatment program. I know I have good intentions and that my heart is in the right place but I can't do this alone. Read the 3 questions Teresa asked me. All I have to do is wait until my husband returns from Wisconsin and I'm going. I really think I need it. Read the questions, I don't have any of those things, if I had, this would not have happened. As much as you guys help, which you do alot, if my mind gets set on taking a pill, I'm not going to take the time to post it.
I hope I can change. I hope so.
I don't mean to keep going on about the medical stuff, I just don't understand why I hurt in the places I hurt.
Teresa, you know that bone between your boobs and up about an inch? its a relatively small bone and every time I take a breath it hurts. What is that about?
That night, there was a cop here and do you know what he did? He took Tommy in his squad car, but first told him to go get his handcuffs and his cop stuff, and they spent the whole time (and I guess it was awhile till the ambulance left) comparing handcuffs, letting him play with the lights, basically played cops with him till the ambulance left. From what I hear, it was chaos. But I'd like to find out who he was and write him a little thank you note. Kind man, whoever he is.
Ok, gonna go, its gonna get dark soon. I'd do anything to have not put my kids thru that.
I think that as much as I want sobriety and the inner peace that radiates from Sammy, and other things that come from other people, without treatment, even if I have to go away for a month, I don't think its achievable. Without treatment I mean. I don't know how. Wanting to live a sober peaceful life reminds me of Sharon's footnote that goes something like addicts want the rewards without the hard work. I'll write later.
With much love,
Roseanne
you go girl!
it is available to you - all you need is a desire. a desire to overcome this emotional, physical, and spiritual bankruptcy that we find ourselves in.
sweetheart - i know what it's like to have your precious babies recreate a scene from a blackout. it's not a pretty picture, or one i am proud of. however, we learn with recovery that we don't want to live in the regrets of our past, nor do we want to forget them.
there is a solution. may you find it soon.
much love and tons support to you.
sammy
it is available to you - all you need is a desire. a desire to overcome this emotional, physical, and spiritual bankruptcy that we find ourselves in.
sweetheart - i know what it's like to have your precious babies recreate a scene from a blackout. it's not a pretty picture, or one i am proud of. however, we learn with recovery that we don't want to live in the regrets of our past, nor do we want to forget them.
there is a solution. may you find it soon.
much love and tons support to you.
sammy
briar,
i'm so glad you are okay, its so scary. i had this happen to me once with tylenol. not nearly as bad as you but still reall scary. i was taking 600mg at a time and ended up taken them every 2 hours. well next thing i know i'm in the hospital getting my stomach pumped (really not fun!!) then they all acted like i tried to kill myself (did not, just really stupid) i hope you are okay and i'm glad you had family there to take care of you. please be careful, we don't want to lose you. hope you feel better soon.
luv
raerae
i'm so glad you are okay, its so scary. i had this happen to me once with tylenol. not nearly as bad as you but still reall scary. i was taking 600mg at a time and ended up taken them every 2 hours. well next thing i know i'm in the hospital getting my stomach pumped (really not fun!!) then they all acted like i tried to kill myself (did not, just really stupid) i hope you are okay and i'm glad you had family there to take care of you. please be careful, we don't want to lose you. hope you feel better soon.
luv
raerae
You're right, Sharon.... I know the maximum recommended dose is 4000mg a day, but I thought I had read that liver failure rarely ever occurs unless you have more than 4000mg of tylenol in your liver at one time.... Of course, like I always say, I'm not a doctor and I pretty much get most of my information off the Internet and from reading.... But since you're in the medical field, I'm glad you clarified that one.....
Briar, after reading your post, I've decided that today would be the last day that I would be working on my recovery halfway.... I keep making excuses about being depressed or whatever, but it's time for me to get strong and just DO IT. I saw a new therapist today and he was great.... He told me, "You'll quit when you want to quit. I'm not going to tell you to stop taking them. You know what it's doing to your liver; you know you'll probably go into liver failure..." Hearing it like that and reading your post makes me even more determined to quit once and for all.
I have a photo shoot tomorrow so will probably take some before then (don't want to be going through withdrawals in the pictures)... but I am going to start giving this 100%. I don't want my son to see me in an ambulance. I don't want to die.
Briar, after reading your post, I've decided that today would be the last day that I would be working on my recovery halfway.... I keep making excuses about being depressed or whatever, but it's time for me to get strong and just DO IT. I saw a new therapist today and he was great.... He told me, "You'll quit when you want to quit. I'm not going to tell you to stop taking them. You know what it's doing to your liver; you know you'll probably go into liver failure..." Hearing it like that and reading your post makes me even more determined to quit once and for all.
I have a photo shoot tomorrow so will probably take some before then (don't want to be going through withdrawals in the pictures)... but I am going to start giving this 100%. I don't want my son to see me in an ambulance. I don't want to die.
