I tried calling back but your phone must be dead. I'll stay online for the next hour or so. Come lounge with me? And YGM, too.
Sorry for using this message board as a... well, a message board. LOL
Gina,
You're missed here. Wish you'd stop in more often.
You're missed here. Wish you'd stop in more often.
Jodi,
It's so sweet of you to remember me. How's it going for you? I've been unable to keep up with all the new people on the board (and you changed your login name so I had to scramble for a moment to figure out Just Jodi is "our " Jodi from the summer before last.
Things are a little in upheaval around here, which I've noticed seems to happen to folks around one or two years into recovery. It's like it's payback for all the years of problems drugged into submission. So be it. I've watched folks pull themselves back from bankruptcy, illness, job loss and it all works out fine in the end. I've started going to therapy five days a week -- not strictly psychoanalysis, but close. (Thanks for finding the time, Dr. M., if you're still reading this board, LOL). I'm getting a divorce. That's my big news and in the end, it'll be fine -- better than fine.
Truly, the worst day sober (for me that was Thanksgiving) is better than the best day using. Find your support group. Stick with it.
Love,
Gina
It's so sweet of you to remember me. How's it going for you? I've been unable to keep up with all the new people on the board (and you changed your login name so I had to scramble for a moment to figure out Just Jodi is "our " Jodi from the summer before last.
Things are a little in upheaval around here, which I've noticed seems to happen to folks around one or two years into recovery. It's like it's payback for all the years of problems drugged into submission. So be it. I've watched folks pull themselves back from bankruptcy, illness, job loss and it all works out fine in the end. I've started going to therapy five days a week -- not strictly psychoanalysis, but close. (Thanks for finding the time, Dr. M., if you're still reading this board, LOL). I'm getting a divorce. That's my big news and in the end, it'll be fine -- better than fine.
Truly, the worst day sober (for me that was Thanksgiving) is better than the best day using. Find your support group. Stick with it.
Love,
Gina
Wow Gina...I'm so sorry.
I don't know what else to say.
Stick around more, okay?
I don't know what else to say.
Stick around more, okay?
Hi Gina,
I'm so sorry to hear about your divorce.
I don't know what else to say, other than my thoughts are with you.
And like Jodi said... you are missed around here.
Please take care of yourself right now. A very bright caring woman once gave me some very simple advice, that wasn't so simple to follow. To just breathe. Please breathe Gina. Again I'm really sorry, divorce is rough.
xx
I'm so sorry to hear about your divorce.
I don't know what else to say, other than my thoughts are with you.
And like Jodi said... you are missed around here.
Please take care of yourself right now. A very bright caring woman once gave me some very simple advice, that wasn't so simple to follow. To just breathe. Please breathe Gina. Again I'm really sorry, divorce is rough.
xx
Gina, your humor is sorely missed around here. You are right, sometimes people clear up and realize that they just aren't happy.
I am sorry to hear about your divorce; I hope that it all works out and it is for the best. To thine own self be true.
You are a very sharp and kind lady and you will be okay.
I am sorry to hear about your divorce; I hope that it all works out and it is for the best. To thine own self be true.
You are a very sharp and kind lady and you will be okay.
Gina-I'm sorry to hear about your divorce.What are you doing to take care of yourself?It might be very cathartic if you came around and just wrote out your feelings about it.You don't have to expose a lot of unnecessary details but writing can give you clarity.
Are you still seeing a therapist?
It's very powerful for new people to see how those with sobriety handle these things sober.
good luck
Are you still seeing a therapist?
It's very powerful for new people to see how those with sobriety handle these things sober.
good luck
Thank you for thinking of me. Its not a divorce that comes as a surprise to anyone. We were separated for almost a year 2003-04. Issues dont go away. Since we got back from our year in NZ Allans refused to go back into private or marital counseling. It became clear to me that after I came out about my addiction and confronted my past sexual abuse, he identified me as the sick member of the family.
Hes always been insecure in the marriage and one of our big issues in therapy was that he would surveille me read my mail and email, track my expenses, read my journal looking for evidence of infidelity. Ive never cheated on him. Now he does these things, he says, looking for evidence of drug use (but hes still looking for that putative Other Man. Its laughable.)
Hes also not good about telling the truth and since I started getting smart about my situation, Ive discovered that he maintained three bank accounts that he opened when we were overseas for work and that there is a significant chunk of money that I have no easy access to. He denied this until confronted with actual documentation thats the way he has been historically and then he said, Well if you knew your wife was an addict, wouldnt you keep money out of her way? LOL, the bulk of my drugs were covered by health insurance.
But the last straw was during a discussion about custody arrangements when he said that sexual abuse survivors were more likely to sexually abuse their children. I admit to losing it then. I told him he could shout about my addiction and SA from the top of Duke chapel but if he dared imply that I have abused my sons, I will see him in court.
He didn't believe what he said (which somehow makes it worse) because he leaves me alone with the boys on a daily basis. But it made me realize that he will always discount my position because Im the one with the problems. Im not living like that. I was advised here and in therapy not to make any major changes in the first year of recovery, so I watched our interactions and they deteriorated. Hes been sulking for two years because when we didnt emigrate to NZ permanently, it was the first time in our entire twenty years together that I said no to a move related to work and Ive moved all over the world with him for his job (while pregnant, while breastfeeding, while pregnant with one and changing diapers on another on a nine hour flight and thats no picnic.)
The great irony is that while hes making these digs about my addiction, typically hes halfway down a bottle of wine and Ill have two years on March 1 (hes not an addict but half a bottle of wine doesnt constitute strict sobriety either).
I see my therapist every day of the working week, I have excellent support both F2F and online. I have my SAS group. I practice yoga and meditation (and the monthly spa day, LOL). I was so touched recently when I told my college roommate that divorce was imminent. She started crying in the middle of World Market -- and I can count the number of times shes cried in 30 years on the fingers of one hand. She gave me the name of a lawyer who owes her a favor and offered to front the money for her retainer. I have very dear friends.
I had talked to a couple of lawyers who told me that unless there was actual physical abuse going on, it was better to stay in the marriage, but Im not living as less than in my own house. If nothing else, what lesson will that teach my children about what a marriage should look like?
Jodi, Kerri, Tim, Thanks for your concern. It does clarify things to write them down I have journalled since I was 14. I write every day.
Redd, I breathe. LOL, sometimes I try to imagine Im breathing great lung bucketfuls of Marlboro Lights, but I breathe and I count and I stay present. Its gotten me through some bad moments.
And its not all bad. A buddy of mine found a 2nd hand Fender Strat and practice amp on consignment at the music store and Im going to look at it today. I think I deserve a treat. I dont deserve to be discounted, stalked, and lied to by my husband. Im grateful for the vast amount of good things in my life and whats not good, its time to let go.
Love,
Gina
Hes always been insecure in the marriage and one of our big issues in therapy was that he would surveille me read my mail and email, track my expenses, read my journal looking for evidence of infidelity. Ive never cheated on him. Now he does these things, he says, looking for evidence of drug use (but hes still looking for that putative Other Man. Its laughable.)
Hes also not good about telling the truth and since I started getting smart about my situation, Ive discovered that he maintained three bank accounts that he opened when we were overseas for work and that there is a significant chunk of money that I have no easy access to. He denied this until confronted with actual documentation thats the way he has been historically and then he said, Well if you knew your wife was an addict, wouldnt you keep money out of her way? LOL, the bulk of my drugs were covered by health insurance.
But the last straw was during a discussion about custody arrangements when he said that sexual abuse survivors were more likely to sexually abuse their children. I admit to losing it then. I told him he could shout about my addiction and SA from the top of Duke chapel but if he dared imply that I have abused my sons, I will see him in court.
He didn't believe what he said (which somehow makes it worse) because he leaves me alone with the boys on a daily basis. But it made me realize that he will always discount my position because Im the one with the problems. Im not living like that. I was advised here and in therapy not to make any major changes in the first year of recovery, so I watched our interactions and they deteriorated. Hes been sulking for two years because when we didnt emigrate to NZ permanently, it was the first time in our entire twenty years together that I said no to a move related to work and Ive moved all over the world with him for his job (while pregnant, while breastfeeding, while pregnant with one and changing diapers on another on a nine hour flight and thats no picnic.)
The great irony is that while hes making these digs about my addiction, typically hes halfway down a bottle of wine and Ill have two years on March 1 (hes not an addict but half a bottle of wine doesnt constitute strict sobriety either).
I see my therapist every day of the working week, I have excellent support both F2F and online. I have my SAS group. I practice yoga and meditation (and the monthly spa day, LOL). I was so touched recently when I told my college roommate that divorce was imminent. She started crying in the middle of World Market -- and I can count the number of times shes cried in 30 years on the fingers of one hand. She gave me the name of a lawyer who owes her a favor and offered to front the money for her retainer. I have very dear friends.
I had talked to a couple of lawyers who told me that unless there was actual physical abuse going on, it was better to stay in the marriage, but Im not living as less than in my own house. If nothing else, what lesson will that teach my children about what a marriage should look like?
Jodi, Kerri, Tim, Thanks for your concern. It does clarify things to write them down I have journalled since I was 14. I write every day.
Redd, I breathe. LOL, sometimes I try to imagine Im breathing great lung bucketfuls of Marlboro Lights, but I breathe and I count and I stay present. Its gotten me through some bad moments.
And its not all bad. A buddy of mine found a 2nd hand Fender Strat and practice amp on consignment at the music store and Im going to look at it today. I think I deserve a treat. I dont deserve to be discounted, stalked, and lied to by my husband. Im grateful for the vast amount of good things in my life and whats not good, its time to let go.
Love,
Gina
Gina-
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.LOL
Just because you watch Oprah doesn't qualify as personal therapy,not that I know he watches Oprah.
My first thought about someone who is obsessed that their lover is getting ready to cheat.........that's exactly what they're thinking of doing.We have a tendency to project our guilt on others.
It sounds to me like you are making an intelligent decision.You can't make someone go to therapy or counseling that has their mind made up.He has reached this conclusion about addiction that is not based in a lot of reality.
You can't fix that.But if I were a betting man,I would surmise that his next choice will be another addict or alcoholic.
The best defense is an offense in their eyes.What beter ammunition than addiction?It keeps them from having to work on themselves.
That's why all the secrets about money etc.
Take care of yourself Gina.This may be the embarking on a whole new life.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.LOL
Just because you watch Oprah doesn't qualify as personal therapy,not that I know he watches Oprah.
My first thought about someone who is obsessed that their lover is getting ready to cheat.........that's exactly what they're thinking of doing.We have a tendency to project our guilt on others.
It sounds to me like you are making an intelligent decision.You can't make someone go to therapy or counseling that has their mind made up.He has reached this conclusion about addiction that is not based in a lot of reality.
You can't fix that.But if I were a betting man,I would surmise that his next choice will be another addict or alcoholic.
The best defense is an offense in their eyes.What beter ammunition than addiction?It keeps them from having to work on themselves.
That's why all the secrets about money etc.
Take care of yourself Gina.This may be the embarking on a whole new life.
No, Tim, his next relationship will be with another SAS. All his other significant relationships have been with abuse survivors -- that should have told me something <smacking head> dumb, dumb, dumb.
Actually, I could cope with a man who sleeps around. An open marriage, at this point, would suit me just fine. I can't anymore live with a man who lies. About everything, even insignificant things.
I should clarify the blanket statement that I've never cheated on him. When I first met him, we both slept with other people. The difference was that I told him about my affairs. He denied doing the same up and down, in two languages, (while giving me grief about my cheating) until one of the women in question flew a thousand miles and showed up at my front door, and another woman took my class and then told me during my office hours (at which point, and in front of my two office mates, I kicked a file cabinet apart, marched down the hall and sucker punched Allan -- it's the first and last time I destroyed property that didn't belong to me and hit another living thing). Two years later, I married him. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
And it continues to amaze me what being stoned all the time enabled me to put up with.
Actually, I could cope with a man who sleeps around. An open marriage, at this point, would suit me just fine. I can't anymore live with a man who lies. About everything, even insignificant things.
I should clarify the blanket statement that I've never cheated on him. When I first met him, we both slept with other people. The difference was that I told him about my affairs. He denied doing the same up and down, in two languages, (while giving me grief about my cheating) until one of the women in question flew a thousand miles and showed up at my front door, and another woman took my class and then told me during my office hours (at which point, and in front of my two office mates, I kicked a file cabinet apart, marched down the hall and sucker punched Allan -- it's the first and last time I destroyed property that didn't belong to me and hit another living thing). Two years later, I married him. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
And it continues to amaze me what being stoned all the time enabled me to put up with.
Forget Oprah........That sounds like the Jerry Springer show.
It's always the little tart that brings the good tidings?
It sounds over.
It's really o.k. to be bitter for awhile.You won't stay that way.I would keep talking about it and be honest.
I thought having a year and a half of sobriety would make me somehow impervious to filling bankruptcy last year.It didn't.I was a mess.I had to have my therapist reduce her rates and even see me free sometimes.I got through it kicking and screaming.One thing I didn't do was deny my feelings throughout the ordeal.I had my sponsor and my surfing buddy John,a couple of good friends listen to my woes ad infinatum.I made my meetings and had those people listen to my histrionics until I was sick of talking about it.
You will get through this.Gracefully or not.If you are anything like me.....it will be not .LOL
It's always the little tart that brings the good tidings?
It sounds over.
It's really o.k. to be bitter for awhile.You won't stay that way.I would keep talking about it and be honest.
I thought having a year and a half of sobriety would make me somehow impervious to filling bankruptcy last year.It didn't.I was a mess.I had to have my therapist reduce her rates and even see me free sometimes.I got through it kicking and screaming.One thing I didn't do was deny my feelings throughout the ordeal.I had my sponsor and my surfing buddy John,a couple of good friends listen to my woes ad infinatum.I made my meetings and had those people listen to my histrionics until I was sick of talking about it.
You will get through this.Gracefully or not.If you are anything like me.....it will be not .LOL
Gina
I've said it a thousand times, and I will say it again. I love you, and if there is anything I can do to make your life easier. I'm your girl! I think we all reach a point after getting off our DOC that makes us review the many different situations in our life. Some good, some bad, and some we can't do anything about. Do what you have to do, you deserve to be happy, and if that means kicking Allans dumb a** to the curb, well you got my support. Now get crackin on that guiltar. I want to here a AC/DC Back in Business in the morning. LOL
Kat, I tried calling you too, and there was no answer, again. LOL I will get you yet, its almost starting to resemble a secret level in a video game..damnit. I will get you on the phone! LOL
Michelle
I've said it a thousand times, and I will say it again. I love you, and if there is anything I can do to make your life easier. I'm your girl! I think we all reach a point after getting off our DOC that makes us review the many different situations in our life. Some good, some bad, and some we can't do anything about. Do what you have to do, you deserve to be happy, and if that means kicking Allans dumb a** to the curb, well you got my support. Now get crackin on that guiltar. I want to here a AC/DC Back in Business in the morning. LOL
Kat, I tried calling you too, and there was no answer, again. LOL I will get you yet, its almost starting to resemble a secret level in a video game..damnit. I will get you on the phone! LOL
Michelle
Gina
I'm so sorry, like everyone else has said... and yes you've been missed!!!!
You deserve to be in a happy loving relationship and I know that one day after all this crap dies down you'll find that mr. right looking for you and wanting to take care of you!
Thinking of you and sending lots of loves your way.
Stac
I'm so sorry, like everyone else has said... and yes you've been missed!!!!
You deserve to be in a happy loving relationship and I know that one day after all this crap dies down you'll find that mr. right looking for you and wanting to take care of you!
Thinking of you and sending lots of loves your way.
Stac
Hey Gina, I hated it so much that my phone went dead. Kes is notorious for leaving it off the hook. I would have gotten online but Cody needed my attention with that flu he has. He's a little better today but still pretty sick.
You already know my opinion on the way you were treated and the disrepect and lack of compassion you reciveved. It's unthinkable that our mates could decieve us the way they do.
Being a single parent is a challenge but it's rewarding too. So don't worry about that.
Our situations are very different but alike in many ways too. We're fortunate that we have each other to understand how we really feel.
This is just a rocky patch in our journey but we can handle it. Who knows what the future holds for us? Whatever the case, you'll always have my shoulder to lean on just as you have so kindly given me yours. I'll always be here for you.
I'm keeping the phone on the hook so we won't get interupted again, lol.
Oh and btw, I still believe that one day we'll be inlaws. Fate has brought us everything else, that one is just a matter of time. >grin<
If you have the chance, I'll be here tonight and we can vent endlessly.
You always have me in your corner.
Love you, Kat
xxxxxooooooo
P.S. Hey Michelle, I'm sorry you couldn't get through. Why don't you email me and tell me what would be a good time to call and I'll make sure I'm there? I'd just love to talk to you!!!
>waving at Stacy!!!!!!<
You already know my opinion on the way you were treated and the disrepect and lack of compassion you reciveved. It's unthinkable that our mates could decieve us the way they do.
Being a single parent is a challenge but it's rewarding too. So don't worry about that.
Our situations are very different but alike in many ways too. We're fortunate that we have each other to understand how we really feel.
This is just a rocky patch in our journey but we can handle it. Who knows what the future holds for us? Whatever the case, you'll always have my shoulder to lean on just as you have so kindly given me yours. I'll always be here for you.
I'm keeping the phone on the hook so we won't get interupted again, lol.
Oh and btw, I still believe that one day we'll be inlaws. Fate has brought us everything else, that one is just a matter of time. >grin<
If you have the chance, I'll be here tonight and we can vent endlessly.
You always have me in your corner.
Love you, Kat
xxxxxooooooo
P.S. Hey Michelle, I'm sorry you couldn't get through. Why don't you email me and tell me what would be a good time to call and I'll make sure I'm there? I'd just love to talk to you!!!
>waving at Stacy!!!!!!<
Michelle,
I am flabberghasted. I asked Allan this afternoon what he would do if he found out I had had a paternity test done and he said he would like to see the report but really he would consider it none of his business. He said he'd ordered the dna test to find out if he had any native american blood.
So I went through his old emails (which just makes me sick to do) and found out that he'd done a paternity test on them over a year ago. When I showed him that email, and asked him why he still had to lie, he called me a b****.
BTW, the test says it's 99.96% probable that he is their father. I could have told him that for nothing.
This is all so creepy. When I told my lawyer, who presumably has seen it all, he said, "Hot damn! Well, that's out there." He also said he's the biggest baddest divorce lawyer in the county and I could sure use a local hero right now. I was doing okay but this dna test thing just beggars the imagination.
I thought I was reasonably happy. Turns out I was just stupid. I guess there's a reason they call it "dope." lol
Love,
Gina
I am flabberghasted. I asked Allan this afternoon what he would do if he found out I had had a paternity test done and he said he would like to see the report but really he would consider it none of his business. He said he'd ordered the dna test to find out if he had any native american blood.
So I went through his old emails (which just makes me sick to do) and found out that he'd done a paternity test on them over a year ago. When I showed him that email, and asked him why he still had to lie, he called me a b****.
BTW, the test says it's 99.96% probable that he is their father. I could have told him that for nothing.
This is all so creepy. When I told my lawyer, who presumably has seen it all, he said, "Hot damn! Well, that's out there." He also said he's the biggest baddest divorce lawyer in the county and I could sure use a local hero right now. I was doing okay but this dna test thing just beggars the imagination.
I thought I was reasonably happy. Turns out I was just stupid. I guess there's a reason they call it "dope." lol
Love,
Gina
HEY KAT! I SURE DO MISS YOU WOMAN!
Gina ,
that's insane... i'm sure you know that.
I hope your lawyer kicks some major booty!!!!
Gina ,
that's insane... i'm sure you know that.
I hope your lawyer kicks some major booty!!!!
Gina states
or at least it's a reason why they call him a dope.
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or at least it's a reason why they call him a dope.
Gina, what an absurd excuse! It's just an insult to your intelligence. If he wanted to check into the boy'd heritige, he would have told you about it. It's all about his trust issues. What's so sad is that he's been raising his precious boys with doubts in his mind. I don't guess it ever occurred to him that the boys would be hurt by his doubts. I think he has a real cruel streak in him.
You don't need that. You are an honest and decent person and after all these years, he should have known that. Just in the time I've known you, it's clear to me what an upstanding person you are.
This is truly his loss. I guess I should have sympathy for him because of the wonderful person that he is losing, but I can't. He will never find a mate that even comes close to you. What a foolish man.
Life will be good for you, I'm sure of that. I'd hate to have Allan's karma.
Love you, Kat
xxxxxooooo
It's good to see you too, Stac!!!!!! We'll have to catch up on all we've missed in each other's lives! I've really missed you!
xxxxxxooooo
You don't need that. You are an honest and decent person and after all these years, he should have known that. Just in the time I've known you, it's clear to me what an upstanding person you are.
This is truly his loss. I guess I should have sympathy for him because of the wonderful person that he is losing, but I can't. He will never find a mate that even comes close to you. What a foolish man.
Life will be good for you, I'm sure of that. I'd hate to have Allan's karma.
Love you, Kat
xxxxxooooo
It's good to see you too, Stac!!!!!! We'll have to catch up on all we've missed in each other's lives! I've really missed you!
xxxxxxooooo
Kat!
We were posting at the same time. I am reminded even more now that you and I didn't meet by accident. I think one of the things we can help each other with is why we put up with husbands who had only a passing acquaintance with Honesty. I'd like not to repeat the mistake.
I've already done things differently this time than I did last time. Last time I would have swallowed his Native American story and never looked any further. This time I went through old emails. I needed this extra reminder that his habitual pattern is to lie and lie and lie until I find out the truth another way -- I'll never get it from him. That simply will not change. And I'm done living on blind trust. Last time I asked my friends for referrals to marriage counselors, this time I asked for a kickass lawyer.
I am so insulted that he ran a medical procedure on the boys without my knowledge or consent. If not actually illegal, it is entirely unethical. And LMFAO, he teaches the ethics seminar at school.
I'm just going to go through a little spell of calling myself an idiot. That's okay. I'll get over feeling so foolish. Always in my mind, I hold the thought that I could have stayed stoned and in this abysmally messed-up relationship for another ten years. It's not good right now, but it's already worlds better than it could have been.
Loving you more,
Gina
Michelle, I love you, too. I could never have gotten free this way if it weren't for my sisters (the larger meaning of which DeNae has revealed to me).
Goddammit, who would have imagined he would run a paternity test on the boys. They don't sell those at Home Depot, LOL.
Tim, YGM
Hi Stac! Good to see you.
We were posting at the same time. I am reminded even more now that you and I didn't meet by accident. I think one of the things we can help each other with is why we put up with husbands who had only a passing acquaintance with Honesty. I'd like not to repeat the mistake.
I've already done things differently this time than I did last time. Last time I would have swallowed his Native American story and never looked any further. This time I went through old emails. I needed this extra reminder that his habitual pattern is to lie and lie and lie until I find out the truth another way -- I'll never get it from him. That simply will not change. And I'm done living on blind trust. Last time I asked my friends for referrals to marriage counselors, this time I asked for a kickass lawyer.
I am so insulted that he ran a medical procedure on the boys without my knowledge or consent. If not actually illegal, it is entirely unethical. And LMFAO, he teaches the ethics seminar at school.
I'm just going to go through a little spell of calling myself an idiot. That's okay. I'll get over feeling so foolish. Always in my mind, I hold the thought that I could have stayed stoned and in this abysmally messed-up relationship for another ten years. It's not good right now, but it's already worlds better than it could have been.
Loving you more,
Gina
Michelle, I love you, too. I could never have gotten free this way if it weren't for my sisters (the larger meaning of which DeNae has revealed to me).
Goddammit, who would have imagined he would run a paternity test on the boys. They don't sell those at Home Depot, LOL.
Tim, YGM
Hi Stac! Good to see you.
Gina
Thats just total bulls***. He needs a good swift kick in the scroat. Paternity tests don't lie, and if that was done previously, and it showed that he was the father then I fail to see why he needs to do another one. Sounds to me like the man has an agenda, and its not an innocent one I gather. My offer still stands to have a "come to Jesus" talk with him. LOL
It breaks my heart that you have to go through this, but the only way out is through (god I hate that cliche..LOL). I'm here for you, and you know where to find me.
Michelle
edited to say. No, he didn't get them at Home Depot, and he didn't throw down a couple bucks for them either. I'll tell him what he can do with those tests.
Thats just total bulls***. He needs a good swift kick in the scroat. Paternity tests don't lie, and if that was done previously, and it showed that he was the father then I fail to see why he needs to do another one. Sounds to me like the man has an agenda, and its not an innocent one I gather. My offer still stands to have a "come to Jesus" talk with him. LOL
It breaks my heart that you have to go through this, but the only way out is through (god I hate that cliche..LOL). I'm here for you, and you know where to find me.
Michelle
edited to say. No, he didn't get them at Home Depot, and he didn't throw down a couple bucks for them either. I'll tell him what he can do with those tests.
