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Ya, I was on the clinic 5 years at 140mg's. Even going down at 70mg was hard. I had broke from 140 to 70 through a rapid detox, which has more painful than anything I have ever experienced. I transferred at 49mg to sub's, which was pretty brutal also. If I were you I would go down a max of 5mg every week and that's max. If you want to do it right you go down maybe 2mg to 1mg a week and hold if your not doing well. Begin the taper again once your body adjusts. It's no easy task and the best candidates that begin a taper to get off only 27% ever get to 0mg's! That means most fail and stay on methadone. That doesn't even take into account the ones that relapse after getting to 0mg's and get back on. Of that 27% only a handful ever get a year clean without a relapse. Basically, you better have high hopes and strong belief because the odd's are against you statistically. But, for me I believe everyone that starts can succeed and all of those can stay clean forever. I actually don't care for stats...
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I forgot to mention I started losing all hope last week. Now i'm starting to adjust and my hopes are back up. I don't think drops from 8 to 6 are usually that bad, but I've been on replacement a LONG time. I think that's why I'm feeling these drops starting at 8mg.
I forgot to mention I started losing all hope last week. Now i'm starting to adjust and my hopes are back up. I don't think drops from 8 to 6 are usually that bad, but I've been on replacement a LONG time. I think that's why I'm feeling these drops starting at 8mg.
Hi I recently got off methadone from tapering off 95mg for 5 years I only did methadone
Because it felt like last option and drugs cost a lot more
Tapering worked for me because I was able to maintain
A good living standard I stayed at 95 for a about 4 years I came down from 95 to 0 in a year
I found learning every single thing about the brain we so far know
Helped extremely learning about how your sub couscous works and
What makes us couscous also I have to give lots of credit to Ted talks life hacks
It taught me why I thought they way I did and how amazing everyone's brain is
Why we get addicted and how to brain changes from addiction
There's so much knowledge out there us ex drug addicts and addicts need
To know well I just thought I'd share that and hope I help someone out there best
Of luck and believe in yourself and patients is important :)
Because it felt like last option and drugs cost a lot more
Tapering worked for me because I was able to maintain
A good living standard I stayed at 95 for a about 4 years I came down from 95 to 0 in a year
I found learning every single thing about the brain we so far know
Helped extremely learning about how your sub couscous works and
What makes us couscous also I have to give lots of credit to Ted talks life hacks
It taught me why I thought they way I did and how amazing everyone's brain is
Why we get addicted and how to brain changes from addiction
There's so much knowledge out there us ex drug addicts and addicts need
To know well I just thought I'd share that and hope I help someone out there best
Of luck and believe in yourself and patients is important :)
t off methadone from tapering off 95mg for 5 years I only did methadone
Because it felt like last option and drugs cost a lot more
Tapering worked for me because I was able to maintain
A good living standard I stayed at 95 for a about 4 years I came down from 95 to 0 in a year
I found learning every single thing about the brain we so far know
Helped extremely learning about how your sub couscous works and
What makes us couscous also I have to give lots of credit to Ted talks life hacks
It taught me why I thought they way I did and how amazing everyone's brain is
Why we get addicted and how to brain changes from addiction
There's so much knowledge out there us ex drug addicts and addicts need
To know well I just thought I'd share that and hope I help someone out there best
Of luck and believe in yourself and patients is important :)
Because it felt like last option and drugs cost a lot more
Tapering worked for me because I was able to maintain
A good living standard I stayed at 95 for a about 4 years I came down from 95 to 0 in a year
I found learning every single thing about the brain we so far know
Helped extremely learning about how your sub couscous works and
What makes us couscous also I have to give lots of credit to Ted talks life hacks
It taught me why I thought they way I did and how amazing everyone's brain is
Why we get addicted and how to brain changes from addiction
There's so much knowledge out there us ex drug addicts and addicts need
To know well I just thought I'd share that and hope I help someone out there best
Of luck and believe in yourself and patients is important :)
OK Here it 520pm my 3rd day of forced reduction and still no actual withdrawal pain. Lethargic? very but no withdrawal nerve contraction stuff. My body is however making me painfully aware of every ache and pain otherwise that "normally" is subdued by mdone, but I can do that. I've taken Ibrofen 600mg twice today for headache which is not normal for me. It is in the sinus area not migraine areas so it could be a fluke of the weather etc, My wife is hacking her brains out with a cold poor baby.
Anyway unless something else dramatic emerges pretty soon I am , LORD WILLING, going to end a third day taking no more than 20mg! YEAH!! only 61/2 hours left to THAT finish line! IF by some grace of God it never gets much harder than THIS? I feel SO confident I can ween all the way off! However honestly? THAT is NOT mu realistic expectation. THIS is to easy me thinks and I am waiting for the other shoe to drop!
Comments or suggestions welcomed
Anyway unless something else dramatic emerges pretty soon I am , LORD WILLING, going to end a third day taking no more than 20mg! YEAH!! only 61/2 hours left to THAT finish line! IF by some grace of God it never gets much harder than THIS? I feel SO confident I can ween all the way off! However honestly? THAT is NOT mu realistic expectation. THIS is to easy me thinks and I am waiting for the other shoe to drop!
Comments or suggestions welcomed
I have a question about AA type groups. Is it for drug addicts AND drinkers? Or are the only druggies there one's that also drink/drank? Secondly, does one HAVE TO have a "sponser"? I stopped drinking decades ago and have NEVER touched it since. I can not directly relate to drinkers, Drug addicts, not=w THEM I can relate to! I do not want a human sponsor , I consider the Bible understood Spiritually to be my sponsor. But I DO SO want to at least try being clean from opiods for once finally in many decades. I am enough of an alien from people generally even without the fog of methadone, I think I will be a better ambassador for the Bible Spiritually understood, without this cloud on my flesh...if meetings help achieve my goal, if they are there by God's providence to help even an alien like me? I ought to check it out it seems like
I want to say something to "Papa Bear " . I , too, am tapering and am down to 40 mg. People on methadone are explicitly Not Wanted in NA . I have been threatened with a beating on 3 separate occasions for Daring to share while on Methadone . I have been told at Countless meetings I must sit quietly and refrain from sharing . I have been treated with Only contempt and disgust in 10 out of 10 meetings over the course of Years . There are Many scholarly papers on this same experience by myriad individuals . I have been searching for a week for the methadon anonymous meetings in NY I used to go to . Nonexistent . Replaced on Internet with "Go Daddy" domain name site . I have gone through similar experiences as the gentleman tapering . I wish him well . I personally am holding on by the skin of my teeth and would welcome death , but he's stronger than I am ,it seems . I am also unable to tolerate suboxone . It makes me vomit non stop , until I do 30 bags to stop throwing up for hours and hours . That's what happened the last few times I tried it (1 0 or more years ago .) Anyway , "Have you tried NA..." What a cruel jest . Read the message boards where NA spokespeople quote the literature as to why those on replacement therapy ( methadone , suboxone , etc )are persona non grata . "Stay away and keep off our clean chairs !" In other words .'If anyone hears of a methadone anonymous group near NY , please let me know- post .
Lola, WOW I never would have imagined such a thing! It reminds me of religious zealots or something that are threatened by their perception of blasphemy! So THAT is why mdone addicts go to AA meetings rather than NA meetings? Because they are accepted at the one but not the other?? I would have thought that NA and AA would follow basically identical mindsets...but no??
How about facebook or something? Are the Mdone support groups there? I should have THOUGHT that the whole goal of NA would be to help ANYONE addicted to a narcotic! This information of yours just blows my mind!
How about facebook or something? Are the Mdone support groups there? I should have THOUGHT that the whole goal of NA would be to help ANYONE addicted to a narcotic! This information of yours just blows my mind!
mojo, I am not understanding what you are telling me about withdrawls 7 days from my last dose? You mean when after I taper to zero? I can and DO put myself in witdrawls all the time simply by forgetting to dose! btw I had been on 60mg for well over 10 years but after being cured of HCV last may I have naturally tapered down to 30mg with NO effort! I was not even trying to! I just did not have anywhere near the urge to dose anywhere near as often so I did not...it was entirely without thought as I do not dose to ANY schedule. ...I am so helter skelter absent minded that any kind of scheduled anything is miserable for me.
It is BECAUSE I naturally tapered by half that I am encouraged that MAYBE I can get OFF all the way! I am amazed that I went three days at only 20mg per day without ever going into withdrawals! Is this normal at all? Is it going to all the sudden smack me down after a week of this?? Is that what you are saying?
It is BECAUSE I naturally tapered by half that I am encouraged that MAYBE I can get OFF all the way! I am amazed that I went three days at only 20mg per day without ever going into withdrawals! Is this normal at all? Is it going to all the sudden smack me down after a week of this?? Is that what you are saying?
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I'm going to AA and I have a sponsor also. I'm doing this all so that I stay connected and have the best hopes of staying clean. I don't tell anyone in the groups of course! That would ruin everything for me. AA has been good to connect a little bit, shoot the breeze, and be reminded that recovery is constant work. I mean it's a daily reprieve and I have been working on who I am. Things like resentment, intolerance, judgment, or whatever have to be worked on with myself. I became a Christian 7 years ago and that's my own personal journey that I share with other believers and at church. I'm grateful for my faith because it helps me a lot. I don't think many people every keep clean without some form of support networks. I do believe people can form whatever support network they want to stay clean as long as it's positive etc.
I feel completely better today. Last week was crazy how I got so down and felt so horrible from dropping 8 to 6! I have a long ways to go yet, but i'm going to make it.
I'm going to AA and I have a sponsor also. I'm doing this all so that I stay connected and have the best hopes of staying clean. I don't tell anyone in the groups of course! That would ruin everything for me. AA has been good to connect a little bit, shoot the breeze, and be reminded that recovery is constant work. I mean it's a daily reprieve and I have been working on who I am. Things like resentment, intolerance, judgment, or whatever have to be worked on with myself. I became a Christian 7 years ago and that's my own personal journey that I share with other believers and at church. I'm grateful for my faith because it helps me a lot. I don't think many people every keep clean without some form of support networks. I do believe people can form whatever support network they want to stay clean as long as it's positive etc.
I feel completely better today. Last week was crazy how I got so down and felt so horrible from dropping 8 to 6! I have a long ways to go yet, but i'm going to make it.
OK I am well into day FOUR! Although my goal was to drop from 30mg/day to 25, I have so far been able to keep at only 20! The only bad thing I have going so far is this persistant headache which does not seem likely to be directly related. Coincidence? I so rarely get headaches anymore so I don't know? It feels exactly like sinus headaches that plagued me from time to time many years ago...maybe mdone has masked it, but that does not make a lot of sense. Anyway at least it keeps conscious of wanting to dose BEFORE things get bad, So I am watching the clock and taking i/2 tablet each 6 hours. Right now I am waiting for noon to take only the second 5mg dose of the day. Then I'll repeat at 6pm Lord willing and one last time at midnight. Is it possible this could keep working for me without going into witdrawl?? An instant drop from 30mg down to 20mg?? Would that be unheard of? I keep thinking this is going to all of the sudden change any minute because of everything else I read from others...might the difference be simply because I have the option of spreading my daily into fours and folks on maintenance are stuck with once a day?? Are there any studies on this?? IF it might really make a huge differnce then something needs to change for the options of people on maintenace! If a person is voluntarily dropping thier daily dose then DAMN they should be able to get it in PILLS to take home even if it has to be once a day if that is some cast in stone rule...no?
I want SO SO badly now to completely just DEFY the statistics and do what is virtually statistically impossible... because it just SEEMS so attainable to me at this moment in time! But I am also not an idiot, and I do not believe in miracles today (other than the miracle of salvation!) And I do not want to "tempt God" in being one of those boasters that claims that "I KNOW I can because of MY faith"
All I am saying is that RIGHT THIS MOMENT I really do FEEL like an tackle the world and defy the odds and have an unbelievable result...is that a normal thing that a lot of you went through? Because I want to know. How can these stupid little pills get such a fantastic hold over one's will? Over one's body? Many people throughout history have done just incrdible things with their own body, they become champion boxers, olympic runners, defy all the statistics and rise through the ranks to generals and kings...just AMAZING things!
Well I never had motivation to do any of those things above, but does that mean that I can't somehow dominate my OWN body in THIS fight? And DO the statistically impossible or at least the ultra improbable? Isnt the one thing a person needs more than anything is a vision? To visualize themselves telling everyone "you know, many people say it could not be done without doing this and this and this and going at this snail pace and being in a support group, and walking on egg shells for the rest of their life, but I just made up my mind that if God would allow me to, then I am DO IT, faster and better than the statistics say is possible! And STAY OFF till the day I die Lord willing"
Maybe I am just manic right now, how would I know, it really is not like me at all to talk this way...but dang it it just seems, it just FEELS SO doable!
But then I think, does talking like this potentially help? or hurt others that would read it? And if I AM able to defy the odds and yell it from the rooftops that I DID IT! Would that hurt or help others? Would it encourage or discourage another person?
I confess I REALLY HONESTLY do NOT "Know" and ALL I am speaking of is the way it SEEMS to me this moment based on how I FEEL this moment.
Comment? Suggestions?
All I am saying is that RIGHT THIS MOMENT I really do FEEL like an tackle the world and defy the odds and have an unbelievable result...is that a normal thing that a lot of you went through? Because I want to know. How can these stupid little pills get such a fantastic hold over one's will? Over one's body? Many people throughout history have done just incrdible things with their own body, they become champion boxers, olympic runners, defy all the statistics and rise through the ranks to generals and kings...just AMAZING things!
Well I never had motivation to do any of those things above, but does that mean that I can't somehow dominate my OWN body in THIS fight? And DO the statistically impossible or at least the ultra improbable? Isnt the one thing a person needs more than anything is a vision? To visualize themselves telling everyone "you know, many people say it could not be done without doing this and this and this and going at this snail pace and being in a support group, and walking on egg shells for the rest of their life, but I just made up my mind that if God would allow me to, then I am DO IT, faster and better than the statistics say is possible! And STAY OFF till the day I die Lord willing"
Maybe I am just manic right now, how would I know, it really is not like me at all to talk this way...but dang it it just seems, it just FEELS SO doable!
But then I think, does talking like this potentially help? or hurt others that would read it? And if I AM able to defy the odds and yell it from the rooftops that I DID IT! Would that hurt or help others? Would it encourage or discourage another person?
I confess I REALLY HONESTLY do NOT "Know" and ALL I am speaking of is the way it SEEMS to me this moment based on how I FEEL this moment.
Comment? Suggestions?
Dougiequick, dont worry about what you say, through yourself experiencing 'potentially hurting others' I do hear what your saying though..thinking man I don't wanna discourage this person. But you can't sugar coat either. Don't premeditate what's gonna happen just speak through experience as jason is doing. (By the way jason I think it's absolutely WONDERFUL you've been documenting..for others as well as your self) yes it IS doable a 10mg drop, I did one. What you were saying about all these people that achieve all the things, then wondering if it's possible to battle THIS. Yes it is. For ME I've never been a very motivated person reaching for something greater so much..BUT when decided to take this crazy ride I DID it, and did NOT look back. Stay strong!!
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Thanks you all I appreciate your replies. My feelings change a lot from on hour to the next and certainly one day to the next. I realize how much my thinking and feelings change during a drop. It's amazing how much it effects my mind. But, it's good that i'm aware of it and know it will also pass. I've heard it said that knowing your problem is 90% of the solution. My faith can be strong when i'm stabled out and then during the heat of the drop I'm screaming out to God complaining and grumbling. I went to a good meeting this morning. The main thing I got out of the meeting was NOT to grumble and sit on my pity pot. It's the worst way to live my life and leads to failure and unhappiness. I'm going to work on living in gratitude all week this week! Oh, this is by far the hardest long term battle I've ever fought. I mean addiction itself has been present since 12 or 13 years old. But, kicking methadone and subutex has brought on a whole new fight. I'm grateful while I was on the program I was actually working the program and changing though! I know a lot of guys/girls that just dose and don't do anything else. I mean they aren't in recovery with regards to changing. I had needed an entire mental change and it's been taking place over the past 7 years. I will admit that even though I don't like methadone or subutex they have given me some stability to work a recovery program.
Thanks you all I appreciate your replies. My feelings change a lot from on hour to the next and certainly one day to the next. I realize how much my thinking and feelings change during a drop. It's amazing how much it effects my mind. But, it's good that i'm aware of it and know it will also pass. I've heard it said that knowing your problem is 90% of the solution. My faith can be strong when i'm stabled out and then during the heat of the drop I'm screaming out to God complaining and grumbling. I went to a good meeting this morning. The main thing I got out of the meeting was NOT to grumble and sit on my pity pot. It's the worst way to live my life and leads to failure and unhappiness. I'm going to work on living in gratitude all week this week! Oh, this is by far the hardest long term battle I've ever fought. I mean addiction itself has been present since 12 or 13 years old. But, kicking methadone and subutex has brought on a whole new fight. I'm grateful while I was on the program I was actually working the program and changing though! I know a lot of guys/girls that just dose and don't do anything else. I mean they aren't in recovery with regards to changing. I had needed an entire mental change and it's been taking place over the past 7 years. I will admit that even though I don't like methadone or subutex they have given me some stability to work a recovery program.
Here I am half way through day 5 of my now 10mg drop (like I say my original PLAN was only 5mg drop but I experimented with 10 initially and am holding to THAT!) I actually feel BETTER than yesterday and BETTER than when still on 30mg/day! This seems just too good to be true but it is what it is so far! I keep waiting for that other shoe to drop and it has not yet! Again I have wonder if the key to this is in a divided dose whereas people who can not divide their dose can't easily do such a drop??? I'd be real interested if there are any studies on that?? Also I need to know the longest exactly time it takes for the body to stabilize to a new dose? I am thinking at least tentatively to try the period of time it takes on average for a person to clear methadone from his system after quitting cold turkey for instance? Tw weeks? How long? I'm thinking to use that time period to schedule my next drop...which I might TRY dropping 10 AGAIN experimentally to see if that hurts me? If so then I'd bump back to only a 5mg drop ....of course that is IF this drop keeps holding near THIS comfort level which is AWESOME so far!! (Or is it like the man that jumps off a skyscraper that keeps saying all the way down "well, so far so good"???
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That is great dougiequick. It may not be to bad for you!
I feel good today and my meetings have been so important. I'm connecting with a lot of people and it's fun to talk to people and just hang out a bit. I get to isolated being clean without going to meetings. I have my family, son and everything, but the meetings, gym and those things are important for me.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. I have to practice this daily because I life can be painful and suffering has been apart of it. Loss has been apart of it. I could go on and on, but I have to again go back to trusting God and not trying to figure it out. Plus it's hard to see the end of this taper. It's been a long journey and it's not my first try to get off methadone/sub's. But, I have to again trust.
That is great dougiequick. It may not be to bad for you!
I feel good today and my meetings have been so important. I'm connecting with a lot of people and it's fun to talk to people and just hang out a bit. I get to isolated being clean without going to meetings. I have my family, son and everything, but the meetings, gym and those things are important for me.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. I have to practice this daily because I life can be painful and suffering has been apart of it. Loss has been apart of it. I could go on and on, but I have to again go back to trusting God and not trying to figure it out. Plus it's hard to see the end of this taper. It's been a long journey and it's not my first try to get off methadone/sub's. But, I have to again trust.
OK, I did not even make a whole 7 days on my 10mg drop before deciding to drop again down to 15mg. I read that for urine tests a typical person clears methadone in 5 days so I figure that means that already at 5 days into my 10mg drop my body only has that much drug in it basically (besides whatever residual trace amounts are still in tissues and fat etc. Anyway so I, wanting to beat all the odds and do the undoable (or go down in flames trying!) once AGAIN thought, "well I want to drop another 5mg but WHY NOT try 10mg AGAIN just experimentally? So I took my 10mg tablet and quartered it (easier said than done) and began by seeing how long I can go on 2.5mg without getting too antsy, without feeling the things that precede withdraw misery (which I describe as nerve contractions throughout my body for lack of any other words and terms to describe such awful feelings)
And so far? It is NOT the walk in the park that my initial 10mg dro[ was, but so far is entirely doable. I even slept, albeit with the help of one ambien. I had an awful dream where I was staying in the ranch building with a bunch of friends who I have no recollection who they even were, but were all tight. I was on a motorcycle driving to that same building and the road actually ramped up and over that single structure from end to end and then came back down on the other side . Except for as I approached the top of the hill/roof area there was a large cow blocking my path. I pulled a pistol and shot the thing in the head. Anyway it gets all elaborate after that but in a nutshell, my pals and I butcher this thing for the meat, and toss the head, horns and all outside for all the dogs to have at it. Next thing I know there is this huge murder investigation going on for this rancher's cow, and they are using like police forensics, and I think, well " I am just f&(#ed now! My life is over. Dreams make no sense, I am NOT that guy (anymore) I don't ride a bike anymore, i hardly ever carry a gun lol, and I don't want to steal anyone's anything much less cattle valued at many thousands of bucks each just so me and my mates can have free meat for a while! (not to mention I have practically no idea how to butcher one to begin with) Anyway I wake up finally and it takes me a while to realize and convince myself that it was just a dream, I am NOT in big trouble and did not REALLY harm anyone's livelihood...but there is always this guilt over things EVEN if it is done in a dream, because somehow that truly came out of ME...I can't blame everything on an ambien. I mean at one point I was kicking myself WAY more for not getting rid of the stupid cow head, than for doing a really wrong thing to a fellow human being!
And so far? It is NOT the walk in the park that my initial 10mg dro[ was, but so far is entirely doable. I even slept, albeit with the help of one ambien. I had an awful dream where I was staying in the ranch building with a bunch of friends who I have no recollection who they even were, but were all tight. I was on a motorcycle driving to that same building and the road actually ramped up and over that single structure from end to end and then came back down on the other side . Except for as I approached the top of the hill/roof area there was a large cow blocking my path. I pulled a pistol and shot the thing in the head. Anyway it gets all elaborate after that but in a nutshell, my pals and I butcher this thing for the meat, and toss the head, horns and all outside for all the dogs to have at it. Next thing I know there is this huge murder investigation going on for this rancher's cow, and they are using like police forensics, and I think, well " I am just f&(#ed now! My life is over. Dreams make no sense, I am NOT that guy (anymore) I don't ride a bike anymore, i hardly ever carry a gun lol, and I don't want to steal anyone's anything much less cattle valued at many thousands of bucks each just so me and my mates can have free meat for a while! (not to mention I have practically no idea how to butcher one to begin with) Anyway I wake up finally and it takes me a while to realize and convince myself that it was just a dream, I am NOT in big trouble and did not REALLY harm anyone's livelihood...but there is always this guilt over things EVEN if it is done in a dream, because somehow that truly came out of ME...I can't blame everything on an ambien. I mean at one point I was kicking myself WAY more for not getting rid of the stupid cow head, than for doing a really wrong thing to a fellow human being!
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I'm grateful you are having such a good taper! That's a miracle what's happening with you. I still believe what papabear always says though. We have to have AA and be working recovery.
I'm finally feeling good again this morning. I mean I'm really feeling positive again today. It's wonderful. I believe my body is finally catching up to the drops I've been making every week from 14mg to 6mg. I went to my morning meeting this morning and I loved it. It's a great group and i'm lucky to be apart of it.
I'm grateful you are having such a good taper! That's a miracle what's happening with you. I still believe what papabear always says though. We have to have AA and be working recovery.
I'm finally feeling good again this morning. I mean I'm really feeling positive again today. It's wonderful. I believe my body is finally catching up to the drops I've been making every week from 14mg to 6mg. I went to my morning meeting this morning and I loved it. It's a great group and i'm lucky to be apart of it.
BTW someone spoke of their sincere desire to kick nicotine. Well I can offer my own experience in being unable to STOP smoking, I capitalize smoking because it was EASY to stop doing THAT exactly by simply switching to liquid nicotine via steam by way of "mech mod" version of the "e-cigarette" mech mod simply referring to a mechanically modifiable battery case with push button switch rather than something that simply looks like a cigarette.
By switching from literally "smoking" to using steam, one can enjoy to his hearts content the physical action of smoking and blowing out "smoke" which is really nicotine laced steam that behave so very much LIKE smoke. The advantages are many from being 1.cheaper to 2. not having any of the carcinogens that ARE in smoke! (smoke of ANY kind by the way) nicotine ITSELF is proven to be non cancer causing albeit still not good for a person. 3. no OFFENSIVE odor of tobacco smoke, which means no bad breath of a smoker, no stinky room/house/car which means one can "vape" ANYWHERE it can be gotten away with! and 4. One of the BEST parts I think, is that it becomes EASY to ween one's self off of nicotine if one desires to! Because the "E-liquid" can be bought (or mixed as I do myself) in WHATEVER nicotine dose one desires! I started at very high 24mg (per ml I think?) but am now down to only 6mg! 6mg now seems just as strong to me as the 24 ever did! My son dropped to 3mg and the very next batch I whip up I also am going to drop to 3mg. The best part is you can still Vape/"smoke" just as often so no will power is even involved!. BTW after I found out that the unburnt "not pyrolyzed" molecules of nicotine can NOT be absorbed into the blood via the lungs but only the tissues of the mouth and nose etc, I stopped fully inhaling the steam into my lungs even! I start to inhale only because I enjoy the cigarette like "throat hit" but then I stop inhaling further and typically might hold it in my mouth a second or two before often exhaling through my nose...the nicotine is delivered quite efficiently, even if not as instant as actual inhaled smoke...it DOES get the job done and it DOES offer that relief sensation of nicotine smoked, especially once one get used to it the difference. As to the possibility of harmful material even vaping? My thought is to minimize THAT by using only USP pharmaceutical grade nicotine and glycerine. Heck I have run into people that vape ZERO nicotine simply as way to keep from snacking! Because you can make it flavored to taste like nearly anything!
Anyway I thought I would throw this into the mix for anyone that truly wants to STOP "smoking" right NOW! It is ENTIRELY easily doable as many many many people are finding out by simply switching from smoke to vapor...btw after a short time of vaping some great tasting eliquid, actual cigarette smoke tastes as vile as the first time I ever tried it...even worse because I am SO used to good tasting vapor...
By switching from literally "smoking" to using steam, one can enjoy to his hearts content the physical action of smoking and blowing out "smoke" which is really nicotine laced steam that behave so very much LIKE smoke. The advantages are many from being 1.cheaper to 2. not having any of the carcinogens that ARE in smoke! (smoke of ANY kind by the way) nicotine ITSELF is proven to be non cancer causing albeit still not good for a person. 3. no OFFENSIVE odor of tobacco smoke, which means no bad breath of a smoker, no stinky room/house/car which means one can "vape" ANYWHERE it can be gotten away with! and 4. One of the BEST parts I think, is that it becomes EASY to ween one's self off of nicotine if one desires to! Because the "E-liquid" can be bought (or mixed as I do myself) in WHATEVER nicotine dose one desires! I started at very high 24mg (per ml I think?) but am now down to only 6mg! 6mg now seems just as strong to me as the 24 ever did! My son dropped to 3mg and the very next batch I whip up I also am going to drop to 3mg. The best part is you can still Vape/"smoke" just as often so no will power is even involved!. BTW after I found out that the unburnt "not pyrolyzed" molecules of nicotine can NOT be absorbed into the blood via the lungs but only the tissues of the mouth and nose etc, I stopped fully inhaling the steam into my lungs even! I start to inhale only because I enjoy the cigarette like "throat hit" but then I stop inhaling further and typically might hold it in my mouth a second or two before often exhaling through my nose...the nicotine is delivered quite efficiently, even if not as instant as actual inhaled smoke...it DOES get the job done and it DOES offer that relief sensation of nicotine smoked, especially once one get used to it the difference. As to the possibility of harmful material even vaping? My thought is to minimize THAT by using only USP pharmaceutical grade nicotine and glycerine. Heck I have run into people that vape ZERO nicotine simply as way to keep from snacking! Because you can make it flavored to taste like nearly anything!
Anyway I thought I would throw this into the mix for anyone that truly wants to STOP "smoking" right NOW! It is ENTIRELY easily doable as many many many people are finding out by simply switching from smoke to vapor...btw after a short time of vaping some great tasting eliquid, actual cigarette smoke tastes as vile as the first time I ever tried it...even worse because I am SO used to good tasting vapor...
ALSO btw many smokers try and stop vaping because it suddenly starts tasting awful or various problems with batteries etc ... the bad taste is always attributable to something WRONG with one's system...it is a learning curve involved and one does have to stock up on atomizors (or learn to use rebuildable ones which is SO cheap!) Once an atomizor is "fouled" the vapor hits suddenly taste like CRAP...it is not YOU it is THAT and the atomizor needs to be changed and depending on the brand type it might have to sit with fresh juice a few minutes until the "wicking" takes fully before vaping...there are tricks to vaping just like anything...but druggies are typically into the all the prep and know that this becomes part of the enjoyment of the habit...the same thing applies to vaping...just join a vaping group with all their threads and all questions can be answered by people that have been into it for years now as to the "best way", best "atty" best liquid, best battery set up etc. Whatever investment is made is paid for VERY quickly in the amount of cash saved in not buying cigarettes...so the money itself is a foolish reason not to switch in the view of this EX smoker.
