Savannagh i hope you dont mind me asking - but i dont know the different names for some tablets you have in america i.e comparing them to over here. But i read a lot of posts about people taking overthe counter perscribed meds in large doses (not that mine are any smaller) but do the ones over the counter containing 30mgs or 8mgs or whatever mgs of codiene also contain paracetamol.
now this may sound silly but i was taking a tab called tylex = 500mg paracetamol + 30mg codiene - this tablet was perscribed by me from my doctor. Of course being the addict i increased until i was taking about 6 ata time 2 x times per day = 12 - really started to worry about the paracetamol content and reduced down to 4 x 2 times a day then 3 x 2 times a day - then i discovered the dehydracodine which was introduced to me by a member of AA as they said i was taking dangerous levels of paracetamol and it would be safer to take codiene on its own (what a dork i was now he sells them to me - he managed to come up with every excuse in the book as to why he had to charge for them in other words he now sits and pontificates about addiction meanwhile dealing as a supplier to me)- now i am aware that 20 x 30mgs of dehydracodine 10 x 2 per day is dangerous (physically not sure how dangerous though) also but i had of course started of low not realising how highly addictive the codiene was - didnt realise that was why i was so addicted to tylex - but is the codiene tablets on their own safer than taking like say 20 tylex per day containing the paracetamol - why i am asking is i noticed some people posting who are taking large quantities of drugs being from a different country that i havnt got a clue what they are but do they all contain codiene on their own or have they any other sustances in them?
I am asking because i am just curious - reason why i attempted to overdose one time and - halfway through got just about 10 tylex down realised how stupid i was and when rang my cousin who is a cardiac nurse she asked a doc if 10 tylex were enough to cause liver damage - they said yes and sent an ambulance out to have me pumped. This was because of the paracetamol - im asking this question just because im wondering do some addicts realise the contents of the actual tabs they are taking as to opposed to say codien on its own - not in anyway suggesting anyone should change to what i am taking as i am well aware i am taking too many - hence the reason for my getting onto this site in the first place.
Thankyou savannagh - you do not have to answer this question if do not wish to i will in no way be offended - and if it sounds stupid or i have done anything wrong posting it please tell me
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Savannagh - thankyou so much for your encouragement - not clapping myself on back yet as i did take couple of diazepam during panic about mother - but will do as you say and stick at that level - for a couple of days - i promise you
there said it now - have to do it - always TRY to keep my promises - ive also promised my mum i am getting of them (although she knows nothing about them) and i really intend keeping that promise - not saying i wont keep the one to you either by the way
Also if i can get one ( really difficult to get my own doc at moment) whenever i am making an appointment tomorrow to see him - have decided i am going to hypothetically tell him about me - that way he cant write anything on my records and i will hypothetically ask his advice - re subutex, tapering, anything else i have been told about on this board - going to read as many posts as i can and write down different recovery approaches. Has to be done at home and has still to be kept from kids at present anyway too much to tell them now with their granny ill as she is as much a mother to them as i am.
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there said it now - have to do it - always TRY to keep my promises - ive also promised my mum i am getting of them (although she knows nothing about them) and i really intend keeping that promise - not saying i wont keep the one to you either by the way
Also if i can get one ( really difficult to get my own doc at moment) whenever i am making an appointment tomorrow to see him - have decided i am going to hypothetically tell him about me - that way he cant write anything on my records and i will hypothetically ask his advice - re subutex, tapering, anything else i have been told about on this board - going to read as many posts as i can and write down different recovery approaches. Has to be done at home and has still to be kept from kids at present anyway too much to tell them now with their granny ill as she is as much a mother to them as i am.
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outof let me try and recap on your post.
One T3 contains 30 mg of codeine, 60mg caffeine and 325 mg of paracetamol. The codeine metabolizes into morphine and about 95% is excreted withhin 48 hours.
So if you're taking 10 T3's daily, you'll ingest 300mg codeine, 600 mg caffeine and way too myc paracetamol! The LD50 (lethal does %50) is 800mg in the averga person. Some sources indicate that the lower-end LD50 may be around 500mg, so doses above 450mg are in the red zone.
The other meds you are hearing about (vics, percs, etc) are opiate based and do not contain codeine. The reason you got hooked to Tylex is because they contain codeine. I am in no position to suggest to you to take codeine phosphate without paracetamol but if you are taking so many T'3 or T2's then that's perhaps the route to go.
The amount of codeine allowable by law in OTC products is 8mg per unit dose of a drug. A example is 325mg of acetaminophen (a unit dose of acetaminophen) and 8mg codeine per tablet. This law is used to prevent the excessive use of codeine as one would have to take doses reaching toxicity of acetaminophen before any real problems with the codeine administration would occur. It's the same situation with aspirin. With OTC cough medications, the highest amount of codeine allowed is 3.3mg/ml. This concentration is _so_ low that this FAQ will not be discussing cough syrups as a source of recreational codeine. The tablet form of OTC codeine products usually also includes 15mg of caffeine in each standard dose.
[In Canada the law dictates that all codeine OTC products must contain at least two other active ingredients. This usually translates into caffeine and acetominophen/APAP.]
My suggestion to you is keep cutting back on the pills like you have been. Perhaps I misunderstood your post but please clarify, you take 20 T3's/day?
I hope this helps a little, I will re-read your post and probably post to you again with info.
Sorry for rambling on
One T3 contains 30 mg of codeine, 60mg caffeine and 325 mg of paracetamol. The codeine metabolizes into morphine and about 95% is excreted withhin 48 hours.
So if you're taking 10 T3's daily, you'll ingest 300mg codeine, 600 mg caffeine and way too myc paracetamol! The LD50 (lethal does %50) is 800mg in the averga person. Some sources indicate that the lower-end LD50 may be around 500mg, so doses above 450mg are in the red zone.
The other meds you are hearing about (vics, percs, etc) are opiate based and do not contain codeine. The reason you got hooked to Tylex is because they contain codeine. I am in no position to suggest to you to take codeine phosphate without paracetamol but if you are taking so many T'3 or T2's then that's perhaps the route to go.
The amount of codeine allowable by law in OTC products is 8mg per unit dose of a drug. A example is 325mg of acetaminophen (a unit dose of acetaminophen) and 8mg codeine per tablet. This law is used to prevent the excessive use of codeine as one would have to take doses reaching toxicity of acetaminophen before any real problems with the codeine administration would occur. It's the same situation with aspirin. With OTC cough medications, the highest amount of codeine allowed is 3.3mg/ml. This concentration is _so_ low that this FAQ will not be discussing cough syrups as a source of recreational codeine. The tablet form of OTC codeine products usually also includes 15mg of caffeine in each standard dose.
[In Canada the law dictates that all codeine OTC products must contain at least two other active ingredients. This usually translates into caffeine and acetominophen/APAP.]
My suggestion to you is keep cutting back on the pills like you have been. Perhaps I misunderstood your post but please clarify, you take 20 T3's/day?
I hope this helps a little, I will re-read your post and probably post to you again with info.
Sorry for rambling on
Hi Savannagh
No what happened is i was on tylex - and the AA person advised me about the amount of paracetamol contained in the tylex and suggested that i switch to dehydracodine as it did not contain paracetamol - not thati am sure that my usage of 20 dehydracodine a day in not exatly making my liver a merry intestine but it isnt getting the paracetamol if you see what i mean - i worry about the other posters taking the high dosages with the paracetamol in it if you know what i mean ( by the way the AA person = dont get me wrong here not saying all AA people are the same = but the one that made the suggestion to me was drug dealing - and never having comeinto contact with people actually dealing drugs i thought he was helping me, but his goal was to get me on them as he gave them to me for free (tylex was prescribed by doc) - he said he got 100 per week from his doc for back pain - which i kknow he genuinly does as i saw his script - but he wasnt using them - he was selling them - after he gave them to me for free he made up good reasons as to why i would have to pay him - by this time penny had dropped but it was to late i was hoooked.
see what i mean.
Knowing i was fully addicted (which by the way weight dropped of etc) i started to get milk thistle and take vitamins to help my poor suffering liver - which had had a long break from any alcohol let me tell you - poor thing was i am sure nearly normal again - until it met the tylex and dhs
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No what happened is i was on tylex - and the AA person advised me about the amount of paracetamol contained in the tylex and suggested that i switch to dehydracodine as it did not contain paracetamol - not thati am sure that my usage of 20 dehydracodine a day in not exatly making my liver a merry intestine but it isnt getting the paracetamol if you see what i mean - i worry about the other posters taking the high dosages with the paracetamol in it if you know what i mean ( by the way the AA person = dont get me wrong here not saying all AA people are the same = but the one that made the suggestion to me was drug dealing - and never having comeinto contact with people actually dealing drugs i thought he was helping me, but his goal was to get me on them as he gave them to me for free (tylex was prescribed by doc) - he said he got 100 per week from his doc for back pain - which i kknow he genuinly does as i saw his script - but he wasnt using them - he was selling them - after he gave them to me for free he made up good reasons as to why i would have to pay him - by this time penny had dropped but it was to late i was hoooked.
see what i mean.
Knowing i was fully addicted (which by the way weight dropped of etc) i started to get milk thistle and take vitamins to help my poor suffering liver - which had had a long break from any alcohol let me tell you - poor thing was i am sure nearly normal again - until it met the tylex and dhs
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yes I can see that happen easily. I'm not surprised a member offered different substances to you and I'm sorry to hear you got sucked into that scam. I'm sure at the time of acceptance, it all sounded good however I believe a drug dealer is able and willing to cross all and any lines in order to sell.
It is ironic that this happened to you at a meeting (or afterward or however it happened) The fact that you accepted his offer makes it even more complex in deciding whether you want to report this individual to the group leader so he can be exspelled but then again it is just as easy for you to simply stay away from that group and engage in further drug deal activities.
I understand that you are going through family issues and wish to wait with your detox until things settle down a bit. But why. Tomorrow there will be another reason not to quit...and next week something else comes up. It is a vicious cicle and if you are genuinely concerned and ready to quit by detox, taper or proffessional help.....see your family physician, lay out your concerns in complete honesty and you'll be surprised how just that will take a load of your shoulders.
Your doctor will take it from there but you must make the first step :-)
It is ironic that this happened to you at a meeting (or afterward or however it happened) The fact that you accepted his offer makes it even more complex in deciding whether you want to report this individual to the group leader so he can be exspelled but then again it is just as easy for you to simply stay away from that group and engage in further drug deal activities.
I understand that you are going through family issues and wish to wait with your detox until things settle down a bit. But why. Tomorrow there will be another reason not to quit...and next week something else comes up. It is a vicious cicle and if you are genuinely concerned and ready to quit by detox, taper or proffessional help.....see your family physician, lay out your concerns in complete honesty and you'll be surprised how just that will take a load of your shoulders.
Your doctor will take it from there but you must make the first step :-)
Hi Savannagh
Read second post down i sent you - then get back and see if what i was thinking of doing is ok i.e hypothetically asking - i know my doctor well and he is the one helped with alcohol problems and problems i was having with work which caused stress related illness leading to my clinical depression - i dont want anything on paperwork as i have a case in against the company i work with and i dont want them to use the fact that i am addicted to something to get to me - (ps they already know about alcohol addiction but that is a long story and was cleared up whilst i worked there - didnt drink as i say for last 7 years).
Another thing doc put me on tyles 30 as i had a car accident - i asked him if they were addictive he said they were but we would cross that bridge when we come to it - whilst worrying about the paracetamol and after finding out about dehydracodine - i was stupid enough as i did not know much about tabs at the time ) to ask him if he would give me dhs as i was taking too many t3rs - he nearly had a heart attack and said certainly not as they were really highly addictive - i never mentioned them to him scince - but i am going to believe me
just read 2nd post down and see if it sounds ok
+ yes am currently tapering slowly as advised by you and others and i mean slowly this time - funny thing is i had a cupboard full of t3s and threw them out yesterday - in case i took the headstaggers about mum.
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Read second post down i sent you - then get back and see if what i was thinking of doing is ok i.e hypothetically asking - i know my doctor well and he is the one helped with alcohol problems and problems i was having with work which caused stress related illness leading to my clinical depression - i dont want anything on paperwork as i have a case in against the company i work with and i dont want them to use the fact that i am addicted to something to get to me - (ps they already know about alcohol addiction but that is a long story and was cleared up whilst i worked there - didnt drink as i say for last 7 years).
Another thing doc put me on tyles 30 as i had a car accident - i asked him if they were addictive he said they were but we would cross that bridge when we come to it - whilst worrying about the paracetamol and after finding out about dehydracodine - i was stupid enough as i did not know much about tabs at the time ) to ask him if he would give me dhs as i was taking too many t3rs - he nearly had a heart attack and said certainly not as they were really highly addictive - i never mentioned them to him scince - but i am going to believe me
just read 2nd post down and see if it sounds ok
+ yes am currently tapering slowly as advised by you and others and i mean slowly this time - funny thing is i had a cupboard full of t3s and threw them out yesterday - in case i took the headstaggers about mum.
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Medical files are confidential and should not pose a negative issue in your current work situation. Ask your doc what can be disclosed and what can't.
There's nothing wrong with keeping your addiction from your kids however honesty is the best policy and if you'd rather do the detox at home by hiding under a 'bad case of flu', at least get some medical advice from your family physician in regards to w/d symptoms.
If that is not an option either, perhaps fall back on your minister for mental support, inquire with a detox center or a friend...do you have any kind of support system, anyone you can confide in? The burden of keeping this a secret is enough to keep you using. Make the jump and tell someone you trust.
Talk to your doctor about how you feel, your current situation and I'm pretty sure he'll be glad to help you taper or help in a different way.
Hearing about your mother's condition makes me sad and it must be difficult to deal with that on top of all the other things. Have you looked into homecare for her perhaps 1 or 2 days a week to give you a break so you'll be able to concentrate on YOUR issues more?
By homecare I mean, having a care aid or nurse come into your home for a few hours a week to solely care for your mom.
Just options.
There's nothing wrong with keeping your addiction from your kids however honesty is the best policy and if you'd rather do the detox at home by hiding under a 'bad case of flu', at least get some medical advice from your family physician in regards to w/d symptoms.
If that is not an option either, perhaps fall back on your minister for mental support, inquire with a detox center or a friend...do you have any kind of support system, anyone you can confide in? The burden of keeping this a secret is enough to keep you using. Make the jump and tell someone you trust.
Talk to your doctor about how you feel, your current situation and I'm pretty sure he'll be glad to help you taper or help in a different way.
Hearing about your mother's condition makes me sad and it must be difficult to deal with that on top of all the other things. Have you looked into homecare for her perhaps 1 or 2 days a week to give you a break so you'll be able to concentrate on YOUR issues more?
By homecare I mean, having a care aid or nurse come into your home for a few hours a week to solely care for your mom.
Just options.
Oh Savannagh mum is in hospital at the moment - trying to get house ready for her to come home to - was in terrrible state yesterday about mum but things are getting a little better at the moment she has contracted MRSA - we are just waiting to see if it is in the blood stream or not as she is catheterized and has an very large open wound - this could possibly be the end for her - have been to see her today - she is looking ok - but am in constant touch with hospital - this is why am trying to get house ready (long story) in case the worst should happen as i will be bringing her home to rest
I'm sure you have read up a lot on MRSA and getting some good info. I was looking after a patient with MRSA and here's a link that may help clear up some fact :http://www.amm.co.uk/pubs/fa_mrsa.htm
Hang in there outof.
Hang in there outof.
Sorry Savannagh - last post i made to you was ended fast because my daughter just walked in - just letting you know after i posted to you - i splitt my tablets in lots of 16 - so therefore going to try 16 for the next two days see how it goes - easy does it.
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Thanks also for the link - will look into it - your right have been checking up most of last night on MRSA
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Are you still here savanagh - 1 just got out of bed it 6 a.m no sorry now 7.15 am what time is it there thats if you are here
ps how do you know list of people logged in or dont you
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Hi Savannagh
How are you doing - cant seem to be on site at same time as you - dont know if you are there now - anyone how are you keeping - thankyou for all your help I am keeping to what i agreed with you - actually things so hectic ive even forgotton at times to take any pills - waiting for mums test results - days are up and down with her she wont eat so me and my daughter are running back and forward and buying her food that she likes - and drinks that she likes - seems to take bits when we are there - most likely because she knows i am worried although trying to hide that from he not easy - have had to take odd diazepam to hold myself together when i visit her - i know dont want to make a habitof them either - but i have been down that road with diazepam - wouldnt be a drug of my choice - so dont seem to get too attached to them - doc knows this. Still trying to get appointment to see him in regards to subutex or whatever he can come up with two - hardest part is telling him - but what the hell it has to be done - close close close to telling kids - hints being dropped by me to prepare them - i think they have a good idea - have spoken to daughter about the reaction i may have if gran dies - promised her i would not drink at all at any time - she told me to tell her if i felt like i was going to - i know she worries greatly about this inside her little head - she admitted as much to me yesterday - but i still couldnt tell her about the tabs - as this may be overload for her at this time. getting there - trying to stay cool - sorry lost my temper with guest poster the other night on Garc C thread couldnt help myself at the time. Waiting to reread what was said although i have posted other things first - i am not sure if i was in the wrong - but they would not stop and seemed to want to continue the agro. Being an addict you know how these things wont go out of your head.
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How are you doing - cant seem to be on site at same time as you - dont know if you are there now - anyone how are you keeping - thankyou for all your help I am keeping to what i agreed with you - actually things so hectic ive even forgotton at times to take any pills - waiting for mums test results - days are up and down with her she wont eat so me and my daughter are running back and forward and buying her food that she likes - and drinks that she likes - seems to take bits when we are there - most likely because she knows i am worried although trying to hide that from he not easy - have had to take odd diazepam to hold myself together when i visit her - i know dont want to make a habitof them either - but i have been down that road with diazepam - wouldnt be a drug of my choice - so dont seem to get too attached to them - doc knows this. Still trying to get appointment to see him in regards to subutex or whatever he can come up with two - hardest part is telling him - but what the hell it has to be done - close close close to telling kids - hints being dropped by me to prepare them - i think they have a good idea - have spoken to daughter about the reaction i may have if gran dies - promised her i would not drink at all at any time - she told me to tell her if i felt like i was going to - i know she worries greatly about this inside her little head - she admitted as much to me yesterday - but i still couldnt tell her about the tabs - as this may be overload for her at this time. getting there - trying to stay cool - sorry lost my temper with guest poster the other night on Garc C thread couldnt help myself at the time. Waiting to reread what was said although i have posted other things first - i am not sure if i was in the wrong - but they would not stop and seemed to want to continue the agro. Being an addict you know how these things wont go out of your head.
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Hello Outof,
Thought I would say hello to you before I go off to bed. It is 2:45am. here in Ontario, Canada.
I have been following your posts, and I thought I would tell you, that I say a prayer for you and mom everyday.
Stay strong.
Nancy
Good night, Maybe we can talk tomorrow.
Thought I would say hello to you before I go off to bed. It is 2:45am. here in Ontario, Canada.
I have been following your posts, and I thought I would tell you, that I say a prayer for you and mom everyday.
Stay strong.
Nancy
Good night, Maybe we can talk tomorrow.
outof, don't lose sleep over posts that may upset you a little. It's all good, We all have differences in opinion and to voice, discuss and fight over these on an internet message board is just plain silly.
I cannot tell you how proud I am of you for 'forgetting' to take your pills!!! That is great news. Still at 17? Keep it up, til you feel settled. Then drop another pill or just half a pill. You are doing very good!!
Your ma...though she needs you to be strong right now, outof, you need to be strong for yourself and take good care of yourself ya hear.
Things will fall into place. One day at a time.
Listen, this timezone is ready to shut down for the night. I would be happy to hear from you via e-mail Savannah_36@hotmail.com
Have a wonderful day, yours is just beginning while mine is ending.
Sweetest Dreams
I cannot tell you how proud I am of you for 'forgetting' to take your pills!!! That is great news. Still at 17? Keep it up, til you feel settled. Then drop another pill or just half a pill. You are doing very good!!
Your ma...though she needs you to be strong right now, outof, you need to be strong for yourself and take good care of yourself ya hear.
Things will fall into place. One day at a time.
Listen, this timezone is ready to shut down for the night. I would be happy to hear from you via e-mail Savannah_36@hotmail.com
Have a wonderful day, yours is just beginning while mine is ending.
Sweetest Dreams
Pharmacy - Savanaghh - Thankyou both so much - bloody hell starting to cry just reading your posts knowing there is someone here helping me and thinking about me and praying for my mother - Good night and sweet dreams to you both - catch you both again
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Savanagh - dont know much about e mailing just yet - but son working in summer job when he is finished he will teach me - then i will contact you that way to
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Hi Savannah,
I would of said hi sooner, but I never knew you were on .
I would love to talk to you tomorrow, if you are around.
I have to go to bed now cause I'm actually tired, and that hardly happens at night time so I'm going to go with it! Hope everything is well.
See ya tomorrow
Nancy xox
I would of said hi sooner, but I never knew you were on .
I would love to talk to you tomorrow, if you are around.
I have to go to bed now cause I'm actually tired, and that hardly happens at night time so I'm going to go with it! Hope everything is well.
See ya tomorrow
Nancy xox
Nancy!! I would love for us to chat tomorrow. Looking forward to it!!!
xxoo
xxoo
Savannagh - hit me like a ton of bricks - but decided not to wait for any appointments with doc asked to see him urgently - waiting for them to call back in the next 45 minutes. He has an emergency at the minute so chances are might not get to see him at all - Going to ask for Subutex - and get rid of this lot once and for all.
waiting anxiously - in fact bag of nerves
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waiting anxiously - in fact bag of nerves
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