Hi-
I hope you come back and read the thread you started...I'd really like to help you with the fiorinol if I can.
I started with headaches same as you...
Hi..sorry to pop in here..but I see you mentioned Fiorinol. My doc gave me Fioricet for pain to take for migraine and to help get me off of Vicodin. Does anyone know if they both have codeine or if the Fioricet doesnt? On the bottle it says its tylenol, cafffeince and butalbital. Not sure what butalbital is...anyone know? Thanks for your help! Laurie
PLEASE do not get into Fioricet! I have been heavily addicted to it for years. The butalbital is a barbiturate - you get high from it. I was Rx'd it for migraines too, but then began abusing it.
Fiorinol has codeine, fioricet doesn't, but you don't want to go down either road.
Fiorinol has codeine, fioricet doesn't, but you don't want to go down either road.
Thanks Addictmom!
Do you mind telling me a/b your story? I would like to know if what I've heard is true a/b the third - fifth day being the worst.
Struggler
Do you mind telling me a/b your story? I would like to know if what I've heard is true a/b the third - fifth day being the worst.
Struggler
I cant' help you, there, because I tapered down for 2 week before I quit, so I had no physical wd's.
I tried many times to quit on my own, but never succeeded until I came totally clean with my husband. I gave him my pills and he gave me less each day until they were gone.
There is some research that says coming off barbituates cold turkey can cause seizures; it may be so. But my sister has done it ct and had the same withdrawal as somebody who has been on opiates like oxy or hydro. If you are concerned, get medical help, I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction!
I'm so glad you came here, don't mind the current "bickering," just like in real life it happens from time to time. Just focus on your recovery and keep asking for help!
I tried many times to quit on my own, but never succeeded until I came totally clean with my husband. I gave him my pills and he gave me less each day until they were gone.
There is some research that says coming off barbituates cold turkey can cause seizures; it may be so. But my sister has done it ct and had the same withdrawal as somebody who has been on opiates like oxy or hydro. If you are concerned, get medical help, I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction!
I'm so glad you came here, don't mind the current "bickering," just like in real life it happens from time to time. Just focus on your recovery and keep asking for help!
HEY ADDICT MOM
Thanks for the reply and the attention. I am niot the best expresser of my feelings yet I spent a few hours this weekend reading about many of the other people on this...and I see I am not the only one and some people have it worse than me... no pun intended anyone
MY addiction is disgraceful and as I spoke and wrote before, my guilt and shame and feelings of worthlessness are coming close to destroying me as a person.
As a single male, without anyone living with me, mostly everyone always thought I had a problem with coke with a little booze...not pain pills with alot of barbibituates, no that they did not see. I always thought that by getting high on leg. rx pills it was safer and not as bad and addictive. STUPID ME>
out of all the temptation?buzzes I have to say that the barbituate is the best and I don't know why................
since my last posting i have tried to dectrease the amount taken by two every two days and I am ok but this is nothing. I have stopped and started so many times before...I could be cuckoo. I live in canada and when I cannot get the fiow/codeine i buy 222 by the jar of 200 and take 6 at a time and I am sure at my age of 45 my innards are finished.
Funny during these times we think of only the worst.....
i went to a few aa meetings abnd at each one there was some kind of incident whereas I knew someone from the past who tried to cause me trouble.
residential treatment in Canada is bare at minimum with super long waits yet most are covered by insurance.
I have spent many a night on ythe phone with counselors from the sights I have found here yet they are all pretty pricey and 30% more because of the diff. in the dollar.
What am I to do.........
HELP>>>>IDEAS>>>>SUGGGESTIONS>>>>A LITTLE SUPPORT
By the way, thanks everyone for sharing yiour stories as they have been a blessing to me this weekend and I imagine for a period to come
Thanks for the reply and the attention. I am niot the best expresser of my feelings yet I spent a few hours this weekend reading about many of the other people on this...and I see I am not the only one and some people have it worse than me... no pun intended anyone
MY addiction is disgraceful and as I spoke and wrote before, my guilt and shame and feelings of worthlessness are coming close to destroying me as a person.
As a single male, without anyone living with me, mostly everyone always thought I had a problem with coke with a little booze...not pain pills with alot of barbibituates, no that they did not see. I always thought that by getting high on leg. rx pills it was safer and not as bad and addictive. STUPID ME>
out of all the temptation?buzzes I have to say that the barbituate is the best and I don't know why................
since my last posting i have tried to dectrease the amount taken by two every two days and I am ok but this is nothing. I have stopped and started so many times before...I could be cuckoo. I live in canada and when I cannot get the fiow/codeine i buy 222 by the jar of 200 and take 6 at a time and I am sure at my age of 45 my innards are finished.
Funny during these times we think of only the worst.....
i went to a few aa meetings abnd at each one there was some kind of incident whereas I knew someone from the past who tried to cause me trouble.
residential treatment in Canada is bare at minimum with super long waits yet most are covered by insurance.
I have spent many a night on ythe phone with counselors from the sights I have found here yet they are all pretty pricey and 30% more because of the diff. in the dollar.
What am I to do.........
HELP>>>>IDEAS>>>>SUGGGESTIONS>>>>A LITTLE SUPPORT
By the way, thanks everyone for sharing yiour stories as they have been a blessing to me this weekend and I imagine for a period to come
Hi reallysc,
I was addicted to Fiorinal #3 for years before I added hydro (vics) to the mix.
I'm about your age with a great family, job, and all the trappings of success, but like you I'm an addict. I've been clean almost 11 months now, but I remember how I felt at the end of my last run. I felt like you do now -- the shame and self-loathing, etc. But you've got to get beyond it; those feelings keep you isolated and alone, and they convince you that your helpless to take action -- which is right where this disease wants you. I know, easier said than done. very true. But once i started taking concrete steps toward getting clean -- cutting off my sources, tapering down with a finite quantity of pills -- my mood improved and I began to feel like there was hope.
This is a disease shared by hundreds of thousands of people from all walks of life; we're sick and trying to get well, not bad trying to get good. You sound like a great person to me. I missed your earlier posts, but I would like to help if I can. Peace, M.
I was addicted to Fiorinal #3 for years before I added hydro (vics) to the mix.
I'm about your age with a great family, job, and all the trappings of success, but like you I'm an addict. I've been clean almost 11 months now, but I remember how I felt at the end of my last run. I felt like you do now -- the shame and self-loathing, etc. But you've got to get beyond it; those feelings keep you isolated and alone, and they convince you that your helpless to take action -- which is right where this disease wants you. I know, easier said than done. very true. But once i started taking concrete steps toward getting clean -- cutting off my sources, tapering down with a finite quantity of pills -- my mood improved and I began to feel like there was hope.
This is a disease shared by hundreds of thousands of people from all walks of life; we're sick and trying to get well, not bad trying to get good. You sound like a great person to me. I missed your earlier posts, but I would like to help if I can. Peace, M.
Hi Really-
Sorry I have not responded sooner. Feeling crappy with a headache lately.
One thing about your post really stood out - your self-leathing and low self-esteem. As addicts we really get down on ourselves and think we are the lowest losers for using and abusing drugs.
The fact is that addiction is a disease. It takes hold of doctors, lawyers, Christians, agnostics, teachers, plumbers, laborers...you get the point. It doesn't discriminate.
Don't get caught up in the "I"m not worth saving" garbage. That means the addiction is winning. You ARE worth saving, you DO matter, and you CAN get into recovery. If you can find a wupport person or group, your chances of success grow dramatically. It's next to impossible to do it alone. You've already come here, that's a great first step!!! It shows you really want to take action.
I am 45 too. I've abused drugs for a long time. Before that it was alcohol and pot. You are not beyond hope physically. The body can heal. I was terribly worried about my liver too. I take a supplement called Milk Thistle twice a day. My last liver test came back normal: I couldn't believe it! Of course I'm not saying this is a miracle cure or an excuse to keep abusing one's liver, but it sure can't hurt and it might give you peace of mind. The best treatment obviously is getting off the pills.
I sincerely hope you keep posting. Helping others on the board is a privledge and it aids in our own recovery. No one will judge you because we've all walked in your shoes. Let me know how you're doing - if you want to e-mail me, it's
lastofeight@charter.net
Sorry I have not responded sooner. Feeling crappy with a headache lately.
One thing about your post really stood out - your self-leathing and low self-esteem. As addicts we really get down on ourselves and think we are the lowest losers for using and abusing drugs.
The fact is that addiction is a disease. It takes hold of doctors, lawyers, Christians, agnostics, teachers, plumbers, laborers...you get the point. It doesn't discriminate.
Don't get caught up in the "I"m not worth saving" garbage. That means the addiction is winning. You ARE worth saving, you DO matter, and you CAN get into recovery. If you can find a wupport person or group, your chances of success grow dramatically. It's next to impossible to do it alone. You've already come here, that's a great first step!!! It shows you really want to take action.
I am 45 too. I've abused drugs for a long time. Before that it was alcohol and pot. You are not beyond hope physically. The body can heal. I was terribly worried about my liver too. I take a supplement called Milk Thistle twice a day. My last liver test came back normal: I couldn't believe it! Of course I'm not saying this is a miracle cure or an excuse to keep abusing one's liver, but it sure can't hurt and it might give you peace of mind. The best treatment obviously is getting off the pills.
I sincerely hope you keep posting. Helping others on the board is a privledge and it aids in our own recovery. No one will judge you because we've all walked in your shoes. Let me know how you're doing - if you want to e-mail me, it's
lastofeight@charter.net
HI all..I too am 45 and have been on some type of pill for years and years. I was taking Fiorinal (thats the one with codeine) for years..then I detoxed. 5 days of living hell..the sweats, aches, exhaustion, diarrhea, throwing up..you name it. Then I felt better and was "on the road to recovery" and a huge migraine hit. I went to the doc and he gave me the fioricet as I didnt want to get into the codeine thing again. So I got hooked on these blue Fioricets anyhow..then a few months back..i pulled my back out and he gave me 5 months or so worth of Vicodin and here I am ..With about 10 or so days left of Vicodin at 3-4 per day and then I have 3 bottles full of Fioricet which I thought was ok to take..until reading this now.Now I am scared I will trade in one addiction for another.Not sure how I will handle my monthly migraines without it. I do take Zomig for the migraines but it doesnt work. I have tried other migraines meds but the only relief was to add in the pain meds. I am still in bed 2 days per month.had my head checked..nothing going on there except for stupidity for taking all these pills. I have a question..pls dont laugh..what is the difference between a narcotic and a barbituate? I thought it was the same. Then again, I thought I was safe with Fioricets as they had no codeine. I feel very scared and overwhelmed that I wont be able to walk away from all this. ..thanks for listening.
Hi..one more thing..do we have low self esteem because we are addicts or are we addicts because we had low self esteem and couldnt deal with life any other way? My vote is option two (for me anyway..)
Don't feel stupid about narcotic vs. barbiturate. I really don't know myself. I'd take either one if I had 'em. Maybe someone will come on and tell us.
I started Fioricet because of migraines. Then I realized I got a euphoric high from them and started the long road of abuse. I racked up $15,000 on my visa by ordering them online as well as major shopping when I was high. Hugh denial how bad the problem was.
Whether or not you'll have a problem with Fioricet is something only you can answer. Different strokes, you know?? I was prescribed xanax at one time and they did absolutely nothing for me. Others are addicted to them!
A very wise drug addict told me to watch ANY mood-altering substance I take. That is also one of the basics of AA/NA. If you are prone to addiction, it's very likely you'll substitute one drug for another. That's why I don't drink either...
Regarding the migraines - I'm keeping track of my eating habits, period, weather changes, and all other migraine triggers to see if I can avoid another trip to the walk-in clinic. Also, keep very hydrated; dehydration can give you a headache; so can too much caffeine.
I started Fioricet because of migraines. Then I realized I got a euphoric high from them and started the long road of abuse. I racked up $15,000 on my visa by ordering them online as well as major shopping when I was high. Hugh denial how bad the problem was.
Whether or not you'll have a problem with Fioricet is something only you can answer. Different strokes, you know?? I was prescribed xanax at one time and they did absolutely nothing for me. Others are addicted to them!
A very wise drug addict told me to watch ANY mood-altering substance I take. That is also one of the basics of AA/NA. If you are prone to addiction, it's very likely you'll substitute one drug for another. That's why I don't drink either...
Regarding the migraines - I'm keeping track of my eating habits, period, weather changes, and all other migraine triggers to see if I can avoid another trip to the walk-in clinic. Also, keep very hydrated; dehydration can give you a headache; so can too much caffeine.
Hey
This is Reallysc back on board after a horrendous week.
I am still ok at 6-7 pills a day but I am so depressed and pissed at myself I cannot leave the house. And then thursday I came down with an intense sinus infection for which I was prescribed heavy antibiotics and more tylenol 3. Thecombination of the migrains, the drug dependance and the intense sinus headaches are horrible.
Thanks to all who answered me and I hope to have more contact on the board tonite, tomorrow, etc.
I am planning on going to a meeting of some sort this week. My inner shame allows little support.
To the person who wanted to know the diff. between codeine and barb., the codeine is a basic narcotic pain analgesic and the barbituate is somewhat of a brain stimulator which takes off the edge, gives a sense of confidence and is used for many things including seizures. It was also common in the 50s and 60s as a stimulant used by many of our dead hollywood stars.i.e. judy garland, marilyn monroe.
They are present in such drugs as seconal. which is very rarely prescribed.
This is Reallysc back on board after a horrendous week.
I am still ok at 6-7 pills a day but I am so depressed and pissed at myself I cannot leave the house. And then thursday I came down with an intense sinus infection for which I was prescribed heavy antibiotics and more tylenol 3. Thecombination of the migrains, the drug dependance and the intense sinus headaches are horrible.
Thanks to all who answered me and I hope to have more contact on the board tonite, tomorrow, etc.
I am planning on going to a meeting of some sort this week. My inner shame allows little support.
To the person who wanted to know the diff. between codeine and barb., the codeine is a basic narcotic pain analgesic and the barbituate is somewhat of a brain stimulator which takes off the edge, gives a sense of confidence and is used for many things including seizures. It was also common in the 50s and 60s as a stimulant used by many of our dead hollywood stars.i.e. judy garland, marilyn monroe.
They are present in such drugs as seconal. which is very rarely prescribed.
Hi again really-
So sorry to hear about the migraine and sinus infection - sucks!
One thought I'd like to share with you about migraines - you may already know this - using any kind of pain reliever everyday, including otc ones, give you rebound headaches. Then you end up taking more and more, and your body actually gives you headaches.
Someone told my once you're off pills, the brains's pain receptors start to normalize, and you don't have as much pain. This has certainly been true for me. I'm only 2 weeks clean and I haven't had a major head-banger since. When I did get a minor headache, excedrine and ibuprofen worked. I never thought that would happen!!
I hope you get the help you need in the "real world" in the meantime, keep us posted on your progress. I care.
So sorry to hear about the migraine and sinus infection - sucks!
One thought I'd like to share with you about migraines - you may already know this - using any kind of pain reliever everyday, including otc ones, give you rebound headaches. Then you end up taking more and more, and your body actually gives you headaches.
Someone told my once you're off pills, the brains's pain receptors start to normalize, and you don't have as much pain. This has certainly been true for me. I'm only 2 weeks clean and I haven't had a major head-banger since. When I did get a minor headache, excedrine and ibuprofen worked. I never thought that would happen!!
I hope you get the help you need in the "real world" in the meantime, keep us posted on your progress. I care.
hey Betsy
thanks for keeping up with me.
I know about the migraine?rebound headaches and this is a point I have to reach.
Let me congrat. to you on your success you sound good and going in the right direction.
One of my biggest problems is I have no support system and I have managed to shame myself into being alone all the time, and we all know that is the easiest way to abuse.
ADVICE
thanks for keeping up with me.
I know about the migraine?rebound headaches and this is a point I have to reach.
Let me congrat. to you on your success you sound good and going in the right direction.
One of my biggest problems is I have no support system and I have managed to shame myself into being alone all the time, and we all know that is the easiest way to abuse.
ADVICE
I cut myself off from just about everyone, too. I think that's in the nature of substance abuse. Is there anyone close to you that you trust? It's really hard, but if I hadn't told my husband, I'd still be using, getting deeper in debt, and losing my health.
The nagging feeling of "i'm not good enough" is a common issue for addicts I think. I know I felt that way, and sometimes still do. It's a long road to being comfortable in your own skin, but it's worth it.
I read a ton of stuff on headaches, and another thing that stood out is fear. We fear a dibilitating, throbbing migraine, so we pop pills at the first little twinge. So even if it wasn't going to be a migraine, the drugs are already in us and we start the cycle.
Just keep talking to people here, sometimes venting and posting what's going on in your life is therapeutic.
The nagging feeling of "i'm not good enough" is a common issue for addicts I think. I know I felt that way, and sometimes still do. It's a long road to being comfortable in your own skin, but it's worth it.
I read a ton of stuff on headaches, and another thing that stood out is fear. We fear a dibilitating, throbbing migraine, so we pop pills at the first little twinge. So even if it wasn't going to be a migraine, the drugs are already in us and we start the cycle.
Just keep talking to people here, sometimes venting and posting what's going on in your life is therapeutic.
hey b
what have you done in the area of support for yourself? Have you ever been in treatment? Do you go to a therapist?
I find it difficult, even even I detox myself to go forward..........
What is the answer to that?
what have you done in the area of support for yourself? Have you ever been in treatment? Do you go to a therapist?
I find it difficult, even even I detox myself to go forward..........
What is the answer to that?
hey reallysc im tracey and im from canada too .I posted last night to find out about the snboxine and I found out that health canada has aproved it but it wont be available till the end of the year damb I wishb I could get it now I have mad cravings for the oxys and I still do a few perks here and there when the going gets to rough with my back but I would really like to be truly clean and that drug seems to be a life saver for many on this board.if Im not being to personal where abouts in can do you live? Im in Ajax its 20 mins east of Toronto.I have a good job and my work would send me to rehab which is what I truly need but I have 2 children and nobody to watch them for that amount of time.I could never ask there father cause he would hold it against me every chance he would get. I looked into rapid detox but it xcost 6000 and they want all of it before the procedure.I dont have that kind of money Im surprized ohip doesnt cover it it would save them money in the long run I would think.How did you do it alone maybe you could give me some help I would appreciate any pointers you could give me thanks Tracey
hey tracey
I live in Quebec and as a fellow canadian I know the diff. in our health care and that of the us.
I have never been an oxy user and I know it is much more addictive than the tons of pills i take, especially if you crunch the tab or chew it.
I am not too sure aboutr rapid detox as I know it works, or so I have heard yet it can be very dangerous depending on your present health.
Funny, I have relatives in AJAX, its a small world. I have been in contact this week with a rehab center which is supposed to be excellent, located somewhere near you, called BELLWOOD and OHIP covers the whole thing.
From the times I have stayed clean for a short period of time you cannot
do it alone and you must have support. what is your situation?
I live in Quebec and as a fellow canadian I know the diff. in our health care and that of the us.
I have never been an oxy user and I know it is much more addictive than the tons of pills i take, especially if you crunch the tab or chew it.
I am not too sure aboutr rapid detox as I know it works, or so I have heard yet it can be very dangerous depending on your present health.
Funny, I have relatives in AJAX, its a small world. I have been in contact this week with a rehab center which is supposed to be excellent, located somewhere near you, called BELLWOOD and OHIP covers the whole thing.
From the times I have stayed clean for a short period of time you cannot
do it alone and you must have support. what is your situation?
I didn't see anyone correct this..
foirnal is with asprin, foircet is with tyelnol. Neither have codiene in them unless it says w/codiene #3
Cg
foirnal is with asprin, foircet is with tyelnol. Neither have codiene in them unless it says w/codiene #3
Cg
I love quebec such a beautiful province I was in Montreal 2 years ago for the Peter Gabriel concert at thebell center made a weekend out of it and caught a canadians game the next night had a blast .One of my brothers lives in Montreal too.I started off taking perks for my back in 2000 then moved on up to the oxycontin and everthing just spun out of control after that I didnt get enough from the doc so I started buying them off the street and ive pretty well bankrupted myself Im trying to do as little as possible but I know I need rehab somewhere that I cant get ahold of them but my family has no idea that I have this problem and both of my parents are ill and they wouldnt be able too watch the kids that long Im gonna have to figure something out Our work sends people toBellwood its supposed to be good I think its in guelph but im not positive.Is there no good rehabs where you are?where abouts in Quebec do youlive and whats your story?Tracey
