I've had a wonderfull christmas eve with loved ones and relatives. Things are good in my world right now with the exception of my state of mind. I am feeling depressed this year.
Its around 4 am christmas morning. After all the hustle and bustle of christmas shopping and staff party's, and all the fun and frustration that go with this wonderfull holiday season. I feel tormented. The simple fact that I am sitting here writing this at this time on this day, makes me think.
Im in the middle of a life crisis. But I can't let anyone know. And I guess thats why I am here. I'm going to end the lifestyle i've been living. I'm on a deadline. Things are getting serious now. I need my pot habit out of my life while I still have a life. And while I go to christmas parties and celebrate the holidays with the people i love, I just have one thing on my mind. How will I do it.
I've wasted another year coasting through school, smoking pot every day, inbetween every class. and getting lower marks then I could get.
I've cut myself back to about 1/2 my usual amount of smoke in anticipation of new years. I have a resolution I have to keep. If I still smoke in the new year I can't go back to university. I won't waste any more time or money not living up to my potential.
I want to get through a single semester without smoking weed. It'll be the hardest thing I've ever done. I've quit ciggarettes after smoking a pack a day for 6 years and I think for me that was easier then weed. Just a single semester and we'll take it from there... For the love of god let me get through just a single day and we'll take it from there.
I've already told myself I would continue smoking over the holidays, to make things easier on me. But to be honest, every time I smoke I feel teribly guilty now.
My mind is at unrest.
What a place.
Sorry for double posting but I should add that I've had some drinks tonight. Which is unusual for me, but it might have something to do with me feeling so down in the dumps.
Merry Christmas folks
Merry Christmas folks
Mr. B, Just wanted you to know that you are not alone with Christmas Blues. Some people can have blues smoking or straight. I am straight right now and blue. The blues are better straight! I smoked pot for many years. All my family and friends smoke pot, so I am spending the Christmas alone this year. It wasn't that I couldn't not smoke around them. It was them saying "But I wanted to get High with you!" I could not stand a bunch of stoners to guilt trip me. Being straight is a huge committment and worth all the work. It took me a long time with several lapses to get "there". "There" is still one day at a time.
Do you have to give up your studies? We are just stoners trying to get straight. Some of us were able to finish college in spite of it! Somedays are good, some are not. The 12 step programs helped me in the past. Tomorrow Christmas is here and then we don't have to worry about it for another year! Happy New Year! Dancer
Sounds like great progress to me dude. Cutting down in anticipation of quitting, not setting yourself up to fail by trying to quit over the hoidays when everyone is "celebrating" is a good plan stick with it commit to succeed and you will.
Don't even worry about the whole semester, or even the whole first day. Worry about one hour at a time for the first day, and then come day two you can worry about one day at a time.
I'll be looking for your posts come New Years Day, with confidence that they will all end with-
"the still straight Mr,B"
Don't even worry about the whole semester, or even the whole first day. Worry about one hour at a time for the first day, and then come day two you can worry about one day at a time.
I'll be looking for your posts come New Years Day, with confidence that they will all end with-
"the still straight Mr,B"
Gday, first time post on this board came across this site by accident. Ive been smoking dope for approx 20 yrs now and now feel its time to give it up not due to cant function or can do more with out it but for health. Lungs are sore and a slight weeze in breath when laying in bed, been trying on and off for past couple months, off course the cravings never go. Dancer can you tell me or show me where the 12 step program is you mentioned.
Thanks
Thanks
Rainguy,
I live in the most remote place possible. I went to alanon meetings. I did it because of getting involved with guys that are addicted to alcohol, pot and sometimes meth. After I went long enough, I started to notice my own behavior one of which was pot use. I never considered pot a problem until the `12 steps started working on me while I worked on them.
In more populated places you can find 12 step meeting for lots of addictions. The newspaper has usually a number of an AA group. They usually know how to get in touch with the other groups. Good Luck! God Bless! Dancer
I live in the most remote place possible. I went to alanon meetings. I did it because of getting involved with guys that are addicted to alcohol, pot and sometimes meth. After I went long enough, I started to notice my own behavior one of which was pot use. I never considered pot a problem until the `12 steps started working on me while I worked on them.
In more populated places you can find 12 step meeting for lots of addictions. The newspaper has usually a number of an AA group. They usually know how to get in touch with the other groups. Good Luck! God Bless! Dancer
Hang with us Mr. B and rainguy! We're all on the same journey. I am sure we have well over 100 years combined toking. If we all puts our minds together maybe we can figure out what this stuff did to us and get off it.
No doubt this stuff has a great hold on us, than we imaged at times. I know I am worried about my health. Since being off, I'm all stressed out, my blood pressure is up, my heart is pounding(not all the time, just ~most of the time).
And for you newbies, how about this approach. You have been experimenting with your brain for long, up, down, hi low, ping pong, yo yo. Try another experiment. Not Smokin Da Weed. That'll be an experiment in itself.
I for one am a different person when high, and it ain't all that easy to live with myself because I'm alive. But I say these great things and have all these cozy feelings for people that I haven't had for a long time. It's growth and contributing to the lives of those around me. It feels good!! Nope, I'm not going to that swampbox!!
No doubt this stuff has a great hold on us, than we imaged at times. I know I am worried about my health. Since being off, I'm all stressed out, my blood pressure is up, my heart is pounding(not all the time, just ~most of the time).
And for you newbies, how about this approach. You have been experimenting with your brain for long, up, down, hi low, ping pong, yo yo. Try another experiment. Not Smokin Da Weed. That'll be an experiment in itself.
I for one am a different person when high, and it ain't all that easy to live with myself because I'm alive. But I say these great things and have all these cozy feelings for people that I haven't had for a long time. It's growth and contributing to the lives of those around me. It feels good!! Nope, I'm not going to that swampbox!!
rainguy-
Try a search on Alcoholics Anonymous, or Narccotics Anonymous or there is also an MA which I don't know what that stands for but hc does, I am sure.
Try a search on Alcoholics Anonymous, or Narccotics Anonymous or there is also an MA which I don't know what that stands for but hc does, I am sure.
Thanks for replys I didnt know that the 12 steps was a group meeting eg AA.
Thought it was a guide like eg: step 1 get out the house when cravings come on or step 2 find a new hobby like the gym or paint etc
Been 4 days without a smoke now, ( usually a gram a day smoker ) will power is I think the only way Im going to kick this demon Bought a KG of beef jerky for any erge for a pipe, already half way through it!
Thought it was a guide like eg: step 1 get out the house when cravings come on or step 2 find a new hobby like the gym or paint etc
Been 4 days without a smoke now, ( usually a gram a day smoker ) will power is I think the only way Im going to kick this demon Bought a KG of beef jerky for any erge for a pipe, already half way through it!
rainguy-
Those kind of things are ususally refferred to as "coping strategies" and the two you mentioned are good ones. Trouble with those are they are very individual so to help with them requires a little more background than just "quit 4 days ago." The more you open up, the more this board can help you. Not pushing you to reaveal your deep dark secrets, just letting you know.
Congrats on day 4 keep it up!
Those kind of things are ususally refferred to as "coping strategies" and the two you mentioned are good ones. Trouble with those are they are very individual so to help with them requires a little more background than just "quit 4 days ago." The more you open up, the more this board can help you. Not pushing you to reaveal your deep dark secrets, just letting you know.
Congrats on day 4 keep it up!
>...there is also an MA which I don't know what that stands for...<
MA stands for Marijuana Anonymous, a 12 step program patterned like AA.
MA Online
Life with Hope
- Rainguy
Read through the 12 steps, the promises and even some of the stories, I think you can relate. Most of the meetings are in large cities, but there are meetings online. I've been clean & sober now for 5 years and will always consider myself as recovering.
A 12 step program allowed me to live my life free of addictions. There is more to quitting than just "running dry", it's a total attitude adjustment. Just take it a day at a time, as your head clears you can work on your attitutude and how you look at life. I haven't regretted being straight, I am very happy and prosporous.
MA stands for Marijuana Anonymous, a 12 step program patterned like AA.
MA Online
Life with Hope
- Rainguy
Read through the 12 steps, the promises and even some of the stories, I think you can relate. Most of the meetings are in large cities, but there are meetings online. I've been clean & sober now for 5 years and will always consider myself as recovering.
A 12 step program allowed me to live my life free of addictions. There is more to quitting than just "running dry", it's a total attitude adjustment. Just take it a day at a time, as your head clears you can work on your attitutude and how you look at life. I haven't regretted being straight, I am very happy and prosporous.
>...I've quit ciggarettes after smoking a pack a day for 6 years...<
- Mr B
Remember that feeling of freedom and accomplishment you had when you quit tobacco? You are going to have an even greater freedom, clarity, insight and a new life when you give up pot. Not to mention the money that you will save to use for schooling. Go for it! Know your triggers, people, places, things. Think these situations through to avoid slipping.
- Mr B
Remember that feeling of freedom and accomplishment you had when you quit tobacco? You are going to have an even greater freedom, clarity, insight and a new life when you give up pot. Not to mention the money that you will save to use for schooling. Go for it! Know your triggers, people, places, things. Think these situations through to avoid slipping.
>MA stands for Marijuana Anonymous<
%Maybe it should be PA for Pot-heads Anonymous%
%Maybe it should be PA for Pot-heads Anonymous%
ahhhh the 12 step dogma.
suggest and let them find out for themselves. let them learn they are NOT powerless yet they are stronger than they know. let them understand that the habit is harder to break that the addiction.
look at the stats. we lose these nice people with your single-mindedness. it must be very scary to think it's the only way. let them join in and find trust in this forum before clobbering them with you concepts.....these peeps we never hear from again.
there are many ways. why not remind them of that? before you send them to a 'room' and lose them, to slogans and books and chips and keyrings? why not remid them of their own self worth, their own power. powerless is a concept in a big book. yes an ma meeting can help i agree, so folks can meet likeminded folks but the essence of the final letting go comes from a power so deep in the soul. not higher than the soul. come on you must be deluded. or is it so ingrained in your belief system? your one-way only belief system. don't scare these folks away.... they are seeking help.
they will get love and guidence AND friendship here. not someone 'watching' them.
let these folks find their way, things were going fine... just fine read the past few months posts... we got a wonderful support group here. please don't ruin it.
i'm here to help ... not spew dogma.
in other words.... august/david/august your aka hardly works as well...there are still many poker games with empty seats. i sure there is a seat with your name on it.... you prefered that before when you felt your words weren't reaching people, what was it you felt it was "useless". i have news for you, it's not.... and you can figure the rest your smart self.
jojo jane jones
suggest and let them find out for themselves. let them learn they are NOT powerless yet they are stronger than they know. let them understand that the habit is harder to break that the addiction.
look at the stats. we lose these nice people with your single-mindedness. it must be very scary to think it's the only way. let them join in and find trust in this forum before clobbering them with you concepts.....these peeps we never hear from again.
there are many ways. why not remind them of that? before you send them to a 'room' and lose them, to slogans and books and chips and keyrings? why not remid them of their own self worth, their own power. powerless is a concept in a big book. yes an ma meeting can help i agree, so folks can meet likeminded folks but the essence of the final letting go comes from a power so deep in the soul. not higher than the soul. come on you must be deluded. or is it so ingrained in your belief system? your one-way only belief system. don't scare these folks away.... they are seeking help.
they will get love and guidence AND friendship here. not someone 'watching' them.
let these folks find their way, things were going fine... just fine read the past few months posts... we got a wonderful support group here. please don't ruin it.
i'm here to help ... not spew dogma.
in other words.... august/david/august your aka hardly works as well...there are still many poker games with empty seats. i sure there is a seat with your name on it.... you prefered that before when you felt your words weren't reaching people, what was it you felt it was "useless". i have news for you, it's not.... and you can figure the rest your smart self.
jojo jane jones
JJJ - you are extremely "rough" and seem to have a huge hangup on the 12 steps. Let me just explain that there are millions throughout this world who owe their lives to the various 12 step programs out there, including me. It is a absolutely tried and true method of recovery. It started with alcoholism(AA) in the 40's, what happened is a groups of people with the horrible disease of alcoholism realized that if they meet and talk about their problems, and keep doing it, that many of them found this was the ONLY way that helped them stay sober. Other groups of people with other afflictions found that the same was true for them.
I don't know why some of you folks find it so necessary to JUMP on someone, for just mentioning a tried and true method of recovery. Now, the MarijAnon program is not that strong because there is a lack of meetings available, and alcoholics anonymous is "technicaly" for alcoholics, however their are many open meetings.
Without a doubt, I would think posters on this forum should be able to at least notify newbies that their are 12 step programs tha have helped literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people with various afflctions. NO ONE has rammed anything down the throat of anyone. Just read the posts.
Let me explain how 12 steps work. Anytime a group of people gather together and try to find a common solution to a problem, there must be dogma, rules, slogans, common words associated with that. There HAS to be framework. These words and dogma have been very very very successful for millions. Why try to deny that. I hear the same thing where posters here seem to be afraid of even the slightest breath of organized religion, which is only alluded to. Of course any "program" or dogma has its untruths, nothing is perfect, so what, but let's look at the results and I don't think your ATTACKS are whatsoever justified or a positive influence to the people who have serious addiction problems and are looking for ways to get help. The unfortunate thing about our disease, is that these additions can be very difficult to recover from. And again, it has been proven that when those looking to recover, gather with likeminded individuals, there is finally hope and understanding.
You may not believe in God, so be it. That is your opinion and you may express it. This forum is not whatsoever a God forum and the posts don't show it. If you read the 12 steps they are simple and do not require any believe in religious dogma. We believed we were powerless over...and a power greater than ourselves...big whup. In my heart I know there is a power greater than me that works in very mysterious ways in this universe. I see it in my life everyday. If you don't have that believe fine, many of us do, I feel sorry for you.
Hippie refers to sacred time which you are probably one of the ones that adores that concept. I have no idea what he means by that, but I have to assume, it means being quiet, finding that strenght in ourselves that we know exists, and connecting with it. Many millions would call that the higher power. Why are you and others making such a simple concept difficult. You have a big hangup with organized religion and it shows. I have no such hangups, because I fully realize that organize religion is just an expression of human beings need to gather together and worship what we know are a higher power and a higher set of ideals that exist in this world. And there have to be rules and those rules and dogma is just a feeble attempt to acknowledge the power and are the framework to do so. Man falls short. We don't know the answers, no one does, but we have to try. THANK GOD FOR AA AND OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE IT.
I don't know why some of you folks find it so necessary to JUMP on someone, for just mentioning a tried and true method of recovery. Now, the MarijAnon program is not that strong because there is a lack of meetings available, and alcoholics anonymous is "technicaly" for alcoholics, however their are many open meetings.
Without a doubt, I would think posters on this forum should be able to at least notify newbies that their are 12 step programs tha have helped literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people with various afflctions. NO ONE has rammed anything down the throat of anyone. Just read the posts.
Let me explain how 12 steps work. Anytime a group of people gather together and try to find a common solution to a problem, there must be dogma, rules, slogans, common words associated with that. There HAS to be framework. These words and dogma have been very very very successful for millions. Why try to deny that. I hear the same thing where posters here seem to be afraid of even the slightest breath of organized religion, which is only alluded to. Of course any "program" or dogma has its untruths, nothing is perfect, so what, but let's look at the results and I don't think your ATTACKS are whatsoever justified or a positive influence to the people who have serious addiction problems and are looking for ways to get help. The unfortunate thing about our disease, is that these additions can be very difficult to recover from. And again, it has been proven that when those looking to recover, gather with likeminded individuals, there is finally hope and understanding.
You may not believe in God, so be it. That is your opinion and you may express it. This forum is not whatsoever a God forum and the posts don't show it. If you read the 12 steps they are simple and do not require any believe in religious dogma. We believed we were powerless over...and a power greater than ourselves...big whup. In my heart I know there is a power greater than me that works in very mysterious ways in this universe. I see it in my life everyday. If you don't have that believe fine, many of us do, I feel sorry for you.
Hippie refers to sacred time which you are probably one of the ones that adores that concept. I have no idea what he means by that, but I have to assume, it means being quiet, finding that strenght in ourselves that we know exists, and connecting with it. Many millions would call that the higher power. Why are you and others making such a simple concept difficult. You have a big hangup with organized religion and it shows. I have no such hangups, because I fully realize that organize religion is just an expression of human beings need to gather together and worship what we know are a higher power and a higher set of ideals that exist in this world. And there have to be rules and those rules and dogma is just a feeble attempt to acknowledge the power and are the framework to do so. Man falls short. We don't know the answers, no one does, but we have to try. THANK GOD FOR AA AND OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE IT.
hc-
>JJJ - you are extremely "rough" and seem to have a huge hangup on the 12 steps. <
jojo dosen't have a hangup on the 12 steps as much as she has a hangup on people who insist that they are the only way that will work, and secretly cheer when an addict tries another method and fails.
>NO ONE has rammed anything down the throat of anyone. Just read the posts.<
There is a history here you don't know about, "ramming down the throat" was quite common until just before I started posting to this board about 4 mo ago.
>Let me explain how 12 steps work. <
Not necessary, most of us are familiar with them, they are well covered on other forums on this website, or other sites on the web.
>This forum is not whatsoever a God forum and the posts don't show it. If you read the 12 steps they are simple and do not require any believe in religious dogma. We believed we were powerless over...and a power greater than ourselves...big whup.<
This statement seems self contradictory to me, how can you believe in a higher power and not believe in god? Isn't that what God means or do you think that God is the property of the judeo/christian concept?
>Hippie refers to sacred time which you are probably one of the ones that adores that concept. I have no idea what he means by that<
Then you haven't been paying attention, go re-read the thread "Whatever works is good (edited)." I know you have already read it once, you posted on it.
jojo-
Glad you could finally get that out here, now see if you can forgive him.
>JJJ - you are extremely "rough" and seem to have a huge hangup on the 12 steps. <
jojo dosen't have a hangup on the 12 steps as much as she has a hangup on people who insist that they are the only way that will work, and secretly cheer when an addict tries another method and fails.
>NO ONE has rammed anything down the throat of anyone. Just read the posts.<
There is a history here you don't know about, "ramming down the throat" was quite common until just before I started posting to this board about 4 mo ago.
>Let me explain how 12 steps work. <
Not necessary, most of us are familiar with them, they are well covered on other forums on this website, or other sites on the web.
>This forum is not whatsoever a God forum and the posts don't show it. If you read the 12 steps they are simple and do not require any believe in religious dogma. We believed we were powerless over...and a power greater than ourselves...big whup.<
This statement seems self contradictory to me, how can you believe in a higher power and not believe in god? Isn't that what God means or do you think that God is the property of the judeo/christian concept?
>Hippie refers to sacred time which you are probably one of the ones that adores that concept. I have no idea what he means by that<
Then you haven't been paying attention, go re-read the thread "Whatever works is good (edited)." I know you have already read it once, you posted on it.
jojo-
Glad you could finally get that out here, now see if you can forgive him.
wonderful post hippie- yes i needed to get that out and now back to matters at hand here..... don't know about forgiveness when one is really unexcusably mean, and guiding people wrong............
but yes i said my piece and from here on in it's peace for and from me.
my young daughter covers her EARS when she sees something on tv that scares her. i will cover my ears here too and just pass the scary posts.....
i hope i didn't come off mean as well.... i really want to help people.... i think this certain poster scares them off. he has in the past and i don't have a crystal ball but i fear he will mostly likely continue to.
thanks for understanding where it's all coming from.......
HC you must ..... oh never mind. you aren't very ...... oh never mind.
what is the joke.... can't talk a pig to talk... it doesn't work and it annoys the pig??? in this case.... can't teach the hardcharger to 'get it' it won't work and it will annoy the harcharger" i'm saying that in jest by the way hc....but it's true... you miss so much..... amazes me....and i won't say anymore.
done is done!
good day all:)
jo
but yes i said my piece and from here on in it's peace for and from me.
my young daughter covers her EARS when she sees something on tv that scares her. i will cover my ears here too and just pass the scary posts.....
i hope i didn't come off mean as well.... i really want to help people.... i think this certain poster scares them off. he has in the past and i don't have a crystal ball but i fear he will mostly likely continue to.
thanks for understanding where it's all coming from.......
HC you must ..... oh never mind. you aren't very ...... oh never mind.
what is the joke.... can't talk a pig to talk... it doesn't work and it annoys the pig??? in this case.... can't teach the hardcharger to 'get it' it won't work and it will annoy the harcharger" i'm saying that in jest by the way hc....but it's true... you miss so much..... amazes me....and i won't say anymore.
done is done!
good day all:)
jo
update-
I just discovered that if you click in the upper left hand corner of this page you end up on the home page for this site. In a short paragraph titled "cravings" there is a link (12 steps) that takes you to a page of links for the various organizations.
hopefully nuff said.
I just discovered that if you click in the upper left hand corner of this page you end up on the home page for this site. In a short paragraph titled "cravings" there is a link (12 steps) that takes you to a page of links for the various organizations.
hopefully nuff said.
There are so many statements made without very much thought or insight and some with anger.
>look at the stats. we lose these nice people with your single-mindedness.<
Are you trying to control their thoughts? Shouldn't rational people gather information from several sources? As you stated ther are many ways to come clean.
>n other words.... august/david/august your aka hardly works as well...there are still many poker games with empty seats. i sure there is a seat with your name on it.... you prefered that before when you felt your words weren't reaching people, what was it you felt it was "useless". i have news for you, it's not.... and you can figure the rest your smart self....<
Talk about Delusional, I'm no such person and I have never made those posts. Humble and tolerant you are not.
>..... don't know about forgiveness when one is really unexcusably mean, and guiding people wrong............<
Mean? You better do some work and look at my posts, there's not a mean statement anywhere. You are way off base!
It's very clear that you never attended any 12 step meeting, let alone "worked the steps". A Sucessful Recovery Program would deal with your anger. You could use a different program, yours is not working.
>look at the stats. we lose these nice people with your single-mindedness.<
Are you trying to control their thoughts? Shouldn't rational people gather information from several sources? As you stated ther are many ways to come clean.
>n other words.... august/david/august your aka hardly works as well...there are still many poker games with empty seats. i sure there is a seat with your name on it.... you prefered that before when you felt your words weren't reaching people, what was it you felt it was "useless". i have news for you, it's not.... and you can figure the rest your smart self....<
Talk about Delusional, I'm no such person and I have never made those posts. Humble and tolerant you are not.
>..... don't know about forgiveness when one is really unexcusably mean, and guiding people wrong............<
Mean? You better do some work and look at my posts, there's not a mean statement anywhere. You are way off base!
It's very clear that you never attended any 12 step meeting, let alone "worked the steps". A Sucessful Recovery Program would deal with your anger. You could use a different program, yours is not working.
august.... stop being childish.... we all know who you are.
this is stupid. this is not your board. i am writing to the mods.
this is stupid. this is not your board. i am writing to the mods.
