I havent' been on here much, so forgive me for not knowing all the details. BUT THE LAST I KNEW, THIS WAS A PLACE WHERE WE GET HELP.
I really am horrified at the slamming, AREN'T YOU PEOPLE IN THE SAME PROGRAM I AM?? What in the world would make you all slam Danny like that.
I did see the post about riding and maybe he needed to vent. We are all very concerned about the kids, but the people professing the program are being the sickest.
That is why I keep my mouth shut..
I also know that once I start to make fun of people, I get that same lesson right back in my face...
KARMA is a b****..
Kerry
And you didn't see the thread that was deleted...
Don't waste your breath, Kerry. All you'll get is a stream of self-righteous, disingenuous drivel, driven by an almost desperate need to be congratulated for their views and told they're right. It's been going on ever since I've been here. Danny is simply the feast du jour. A focus for the pack mentality. Regardless how you may feel about Danny's family saga -- and I admit that I have never been a true believer or sympathizer -- the effect of some of these character assassinations is far more widespread than the individual and, in my view, severely undermines the ability of the Board to reach out to the still sick and suffering -- the ones who are still lurking, wondering whether it's safe to post what they consider their most shameful secret.
Sick is an apt word for it, Kerry. Good people who have lost their way.
I'm sure your post will bring the usual suspects to pat each other on the back with feelings of false superiority. I usually try to practice restraint of pen and tongue, but I didn't want to leave you out there hanging Kerry.
Don't waste your breath, Kerry. All you'll get is a stream of self-righteous, disingenuous drivel, driven by an almost desperate need to be congratulated for their views and told they're right. It's been going on ever since I've been here. Danny is simply the feast du jour. A focus for the pack mentality. Regardless how you may feel about Danny's family saga -- and I admit that I have never been a true believer or sympathizer -- the effect of some of these character assassinations is far more widespread than the individual and, in my view, severely undermines the ability of the Board to reach out to the still sick and suffering -- the ones who are still lurking, wondering whether it's safe to post what they consider their most shameful secret.
Sick is an apt word for it, Kerry. Good people who have lost their way.
I'm sure your post will bring the usual suspects to pat each other on the back with feelings of false superiority. I usually try to practice restraint of pen and tongue, but I didn't want to leave you out there hanging Kerry.
Morning,
Some would call me an outsider looking in..........some might say that they like the faith I have in them, the belief that they can have a better life.
But this is truely what it should be all about and M put it so nicely so I copied and pasted.......
severely undermines the ability of the Board to reach out to the still sick and suffering -- the ones who are still lurking, wondering whether it's safe to post what they consider their most shameful secret.
To those lurking, never be afraid to post, fear keeps you stuck in limbo. To those who need to hurt someone, or be mean without ever really knowing what is in someone elses heart, take your shots at me if you must........
I am sure you all know how I feel about it my post in the thread should have told you.......
Be well and take care,
Love Yahs,
Tina
Some would call me an outsider looking in..........some might say that they like the faith I have in them, the belief that they can have a better life.
But this is truely what it should be all about and M put it so nicely so I copied and pasted.......
severely undermines the ability of the Board to reach out to the still sick and suffering -- the ones who are still lurking, wondering whether it's safe to post what they consider their most shameful secret.
To those lurking, never be afraid to post, fear keeps you stuck in limbo. To those who need to hurt someone, or be mean without ever really knowing what is in someone elses heart, take your shots at me if you must........
I am sure you all know how I feel about it my post in the thread should have told you.......
Be well and take care,
Love Yahs,
Tina
I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth to new people.Please if ever you feel scared about comming here remember it isn't always easy reaching out.And yes I guess there is drama here but I guess thats to be expected.As addicts we always seem to have high emotions,and I have seen alot of folks who really really don't mean to hurt by their words.Sometimes things come out more harshly than meant.Anyways I wanted to say that most of us here support & care for each other(I don't know what I would of done without this site)So please if you ever get on here & see something like drama PLEASE don't let it keep you from reaching out.We here are the best to speak with with these problems and feelings you may be having.We understand because we also live it.mj
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I guess I am getting really confused .... I mean give me a break.... do all you really want all of us to just keep saying oh my gosh danny this is just awfull... now you just take your time... you get beat up as many times as you want and let those kids see whatever they want... but you take your time...
those of us in the pack got attacked for speaking out at first for saying 'get off it' when we thought he was dragging his feet and not protecting the himself and the kids .... we were being mean to poooooor danny... then you all started to see that he was in fact not doing anything for himself or those kids... keeping the blood on the walls ... pleaaaasseee.... then..... he keeps posting threads with subjects like I just got the .... beat out of me again.... and again we alll... us in the gang come out and support him... and say get help for you and your kids... but noooo he just cant do it.... even yestday after she is gone with the kids someone says when she get arrested...leave her there... he writes.. oh i just can let my kids mom be in jail... so give me a break .... then after posting that he is black and blue cant see can even hardly type he rides his bike 10MILES....... I know people that arent supposedly ill and having surgeries and in the hospital as much as he is and work construction jobs that cant do that.... not to mention getting beat up just a few night before..... again i say GIVE ME A BREAK...... and us in the gang as you people call us say we are sick for saying he is maybe lying or at a minuimin embellousing a tade... and that we shouldnt be making fun.... he leaves us no choice.... it is a no brainer.... he should just stop this crap.......
you, and none and anyone else can think what you want... and post what ever you want but this whole situation didnt start over night... and we in the gang do care for people including danny but .... there are limits.... and dont worry about my karma... I seem to be doing just fine ......
As for the lurkers here that might be afraid to post there deepest darkest secret... no one ever judged danny at first for his situation just his repeated.... REPEATED... lack ability to move forward to protect his kids.... we still would not judge him or anyone is he would only come clean... and do something instead of tell jokes and keep lying..... it is sooo obvious...
If you all want to keep supporting him and his kids into a grave assuming this is all true well go ahead ... how is that for helping your karma...
Teresa
I guess I am getting really confused .... I mean give me a break.... do all you really want all of us to just keep saying oh my gosh danny this is just awfull... now you just take your time... you get beat up as many times as you want and let those kids see whatever they want... but you take your time...
those of us in the pack got attacked for speaking out at first for saying 'get off it' when we thought he was dragging his feet and not protecting the himself and the kids .... we were being mean to poooooor danny... then you all started to see that he was in fact not doing anything for himself or those kids... keeping the blood on the walls ... pleaaaasseee.... then..... he keeps posting threads with subjects like I just got the .... beat out of me again.... and again we alll... us in the gang come out and support him... and say get help for you and your kids... but noooo he just cant do it.... even yestday after she is gone with the kids someone says when she get arrested...leave her there... he writes.. oh i just can let my kids mom be in jail... so give me a break .... then after posting that he is black and blue cant see can even hardly type he rides his bike 10MILES....... I know people that arent supposedly ill and having surgeries and in the hospital as much as he is and work construction jobs that cant do that.... not to mention getting beat up just a few night before..... again i say GIVE ME A BREAK...... and us in the gang as you people call us say we are sick for saying he is maybe lying or at a minuimin embellousing a tade... and that we shouldnt be making fun.... he leaves us no choice.... it is a no brainer.... he should just stop this crap.......
you, and none and anyone else can think what you want... and post what ever you want but this whole situation didnt start over night... and we in the gang do care for people including danny but .... there are limits.... and dont worry about my karma... I seem to be doing just fine ......
As for the lurkers here that might be afraid to post there deepest darkest secret... no one ever judged danny at first for his situation just his repeated.... REPEATED... lack ability to move forward to protect his kids.... we still would not judge him or anyone is he would only come clean... and do something instead of tell jokes and keep lying..... it is sooo obvious...
If you all want to keep supporting him and his kids into a grave assuming this is all true well go ahead ... how is that for helping your karma...
Teresa
Nice post Teresa.
Love ya,
Love ya,
"God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I Cannot change"
This was going to be a long post full of opinions, suggestions and stuff...........to be honest I cannot be arsed (does that tranlate well in the US)
Paul
This was going to be a long post full of opinions, suggestions and stuff...........to be honest I cannot be arsed (does that tranlate well in the US)
Paul
Do not use poisonous words against anyone, for, words wound more fatally than even arrows.
Sometimes our silence says all we need to say.
Love,
pm
Sometimes our silence says all we need to say.
Love,
pm
Kerry,
I just want to say, I agree also. You are never afraid to say the things that are so hard to say, but what most of us think. I think you are a good leader, and I value your opinions. Bless you!
None, you have a gift, and it is a way with words. Bless you!
Neon, YOU SAID IT. God grant me the.............. and Bless you!
Live everyday as if it was your last, that way, you will have no regrets if it is. When I go, I don't want to have to make amends standing before the person who will decide if I belong up or down. Make you amends now, as lightning can strike anytime.
God Bless,
Lady M
I just want to say, I agree also. You are never afraid to say the things that are so hard to say, but what most of us think. I think you are a good leader, and I value your opinions. Bless you!
None, you have a gift, and it is a way with words. Bless you!
Neon, YOU SAID IT. God grant me the.............. and Bless you!
Live everyday as if it was your last, that way, you will have no regrets if it is. When I go, I don't want to have to make amends standing before the person who will decide if I belong up or down. Make you amends now, as lightning can strike anytime.
God Bless,
Lady M
you know I couldnt agree more with the day of judgement that being the day the LORD judges or hearts our motives.... you know not that is about religion... but since it was mentioned... good thing none of us have been struck by lightening recently.... right?..... and good works dont get us up aint that a good thing.. right?... and also havent we all wrote really hatefulll mean spirited things.... at least I think we all have....?.......
as for saying what we think .... what alot of us are thinkinf..... well seems to me that alot of people are thinking that someone that is ill and having surgeries (as danny attacked bob for being insensitive to his medicial situation) and being beat up .. should he really be able to ride 10 miles... and the other inconsistences dont add up,... not just us in our gang..... so I dont think that kerry has the market cornered on saying what she thinks what other people are thinking.... but bravo kerry.... you seem to have brought what could have been bright new day back to a repeat of yesterday cause you had to say what you thought... and of course as we seem to be alike in that respect I must resipricate...
now.. as for none...yup... you have a way with words... yep you sure do esp with those snappy little one liners.... how is this ....... pompass...... but like us all you have the right....
lets all just hope there is no lightening , all though there is a chance of thunderstorms today here no kidding... so maybe I should put danny's kids and danny on hold and just pray for my own self.... will you help me... ?.....oh and dont forget my karma.....
with all the respect you deserve..
teresa
as for saying what we think .... what alot of us are thinkinf..... well seems to me that alot of people are thinking that someone that is ill and having surgeries (as danny attacked bob for being insensitive to his medicial situation) and being beat up .. should he really be able to ride 10 miles... and the other inconsistences dont add up,... not just us in our gang..... so I dont think that kerry has the market cornered on saying what she thinks what other people are thinking.... but bravo kerry.... you seem to have brought what could have been bright new day back to a repeat of yesterday cause you had to say what you thought... and of course as we seem to be alike in that respect I must resipricate...
now.. as for none...yup... you have a way with words... yep you sure do esp with those snappy little one liners.... how is this ....... pompass...... but like us all you have the right....
lets all just hope there is no lightening , all though there is a chance of thunderstorms today here no kidding... so maybe I should put danny's kids and danny on hold and just pray for my own self.... will you help me... ?.....oh and dont forget my karma.....
with all the respect you deserve..
teresa
Hey Everyone,
For me the best help I can give you, in times like these, is my silence.
You cannot hear my words.
I wish you all the best.
Take care,
My thoughts and prayers are with you in your recovery and your personal growth.
PM
For me the best help I can give you, in times like these, is my silence.
You cannot hear my words.
I wish you all the best.
Take care,
My thoughts and prayers are with you in your recovery and your personal growth.
PM
Kerry ~
Hey there friend !
How are you? I think if you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say it !
We have no Idea what it is like to be in someone else's shoe's, and until we do who are we to judge?
Hey there friend !
How are you? I think if you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say it !
We have no Idea what it is like to be in someone else's shoe's, and until we do who are we to judge?
Hi marina..
Hi mom...
I just really don't ....
oh, I am gona save my damn breath..
I HOPE YOU ALL WIN WITH YOUR DEMONS..
GOOD LUCK..
KERRY
Hi mom...
I just really don't ....
oh, I am gona save my damn breath..
I HOPE YOU ALL WIN WITH YOUR DEMONS..
GOOD LUCK..
KERRY
Teresa,
Lets give ourselves a big pat on the back, as was suggested. At least we are not liars and hypocrites as I have seen posting under this thread here. One of the biggest liars I have ever know professes love and recovery. She has not known a single day of recovery in a very long time, probably since a teen-ager. She knows nothing of love, only of hurt and lies and deception. Her intents are to stab you in the back and lie about that. The next little one talks out both sides of her mouth with every other post and thinks she is perfect...Let us not forget the pompous one that you mentioned who rarely talks of recovery but only instigates with one liners to keep the fire going. I would choose to believe Danny over any of these three.. Danny if you are reading.....let us help you. This is a sincere request. Just stop the drama is all we ask.
Teresa,,,,read this fast before the opressors delete it , lol. Hey what gang colors did we decide on.
Love you,
Love you,
Lets give ourselves a big pat on the back, as was suggested. At least we are not liars and hypocrites as I have seen posting under this thread here. One of the biggest liars I have ever know professes love and recovery. She has not known a single day of recovery in a very long time, probably since a teen-ager. She knows nothing of love, only of hurt and lies and deception. Her intents are to stab you in the back and lie about that. The next little one talks out both sides of her mouth with every other post and thinks she is perfect...Let us not forget the pompous one that you mentioned who rarely talks of recovery but only instigates with one liners to keep the fire going. I would choose to believe Danny over any of these three.. Danny if you are reading.....let us help you. This is a sincere request. Just stop the drama is all we ask.
Teresa,,,,read this fast before the opressors delete it , lol. Hey what gang colors did we decide on.
Love you,
Love you,
how bout.... oh ..... purple and black.... ?
purple is my fav color... course I like pink to....
lol......... sharon you rock..... do I hear thunder?......
my bonnie lies over the ocean .... my bonnie lies over the sea..... my bonnie lies over the ocean..... oh bring back my bonnie to me.....
OHHHHHHH bring back...
lol..............
Teresa
ps... I guess I need to get a dictionary... I kept misspelling pompous... lol... oh well I guess a few got the point....lol....
mods.. can we get spell check?....
purple is my fav color... course I like pink to....
lol......... sharon you rock..... do I hear thunder?......
my bonnie lies over the ocean .... my bonnie lies over the sea..... my bonnie lies over the ocean..... oh bring back my bonnie to me.....
OHHHHHHH bring back...
lol..............
Teresa
ps... I guess I need to get a dictionary... I kept misspelling pompous... lol... oh well I guess a few got the point....lol....
mods.. can we get spell check?....
Some are keeping quite, some are running their mouths........but everybody is reading all of this and many are leaving because of it. Does that make you want to pat yourself on the back?
What a joke...a disgrace to any program...
Deb
Deb
no deb it is like this dont blame the program for my issues... this is not the program problem... it is a human problem..... stop saying program program program..... My program works just fine..... my posts to people about working there program are sound ... if you want to debate me on that then fine.... otherwise.. call me on my human issies....
If you think me a straight up bi*** cause I defended myself from the beginning of the first post at 430am ... witch I never started... then say it... dont say program... the program... dont keep us from being what we can be when provoked.. it just helps us from using when that happens..... so..... come on......
I will continue to do as done to me..... I have tried to make light... I have ignored to a degree.... but no... some still judge and attack then say I (we) are the ones doing it.. well keep it up....
But this is not the program.issue.. and it has nothing to do with the program... and if the ones mentioned above esp the first can point to otherwise as accused go ahead..... but yet just a few seconds ago she implied I might be going to hell...? .. oh but that was ok.... they are good and perfect and the rest of some of us are crap....
give me a break.....
my program is just fine,....
teresa
DANNY, JUST WANTED TO SAY, NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU. FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW UNTILL WALKING TRUELY IN YOUR SHOES. I CAN SAY I'VE WALKED IN YOUR FOOTSTEPS. I WAS ABUSED AND KNEW IT WAS WRONG BUT I STAYED AWHILE AND TOOK ALOT OF BEATINGS IN THAT TIME
.BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE READ OF LATE I FELT THE NEED TO ENTER MY THOUGHTS.
IT IS EASY FOR US TO GET UPSET AND WANT TO SHAKE SENSE INTO YOU BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE FOR YOU.
I'M SURE YOU CAME HERE FOR HELP AND PRAY YOU WILL FIND THE STRENGTH TO DO THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOURS...SURE I WORRY ABOUT THE KIDS...WE ARE ALL ONLY HUMAN IN HOW WE FEEL AND MAYBE EVEN WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE BEING BEAT DOWN IT MAY IN SOMEWAY GIVE YOU COURAGE TO DEAL WITH THE HAND LIFE HAS GIVEN YOU...IT CAN BE DIFF... HAVE FAITH IN YOUR SELF...YOU ARE HERE OR WAS.
HOPE I DID NOT UPSET ANYONE, NOT MY INTENTION. BUT KNOW THAT PHYSICAL ABUSE, A PUNCH OR A SLAP FEELS BETTER THAN THE STING OF YOUR WORDS GOOD PEOPLE.
KEEP REACHING DANNY, DON'T EVER GIVE UP. I WILL BE HERE IF YOU NEED.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS
.BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE READ OF LATE I FELT THE NEED TO ENTER MY THOUGHTS.
IT IS EASY FOR US TO GET UPSET AND WANT TO SHAKE SENSE INTO YOU BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE FOR YOU.
I'M SURE YOU CAME HERE FOR HELP AND PRAY YOU WILL FIND THE STRENGTH TO DO THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOURS...SURE I WORRY ABOUT THE KIDS...WE ARE ALL ONLY HUMAN IN HOW WE FEEL AND MAYBE EVEN WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE BEING BEAT DOWN IT MAY IN SOMEWAY GIVE YOU COURAGE TO DEAL WITH THE HAND LIFE HAS GIVEN YOU...IT CAN BE DIFF... HAVE FAITH IN YOUR SELF...YOU ARE HERE OR WAS.
HOPE I DID NOT UPSET ANYONE, NOT MY INTENTION. BUT KNOW THAT PHYSICAL ABUSE, A PUNCH OR A SLAP FEELS BETTER THAN THE STING OF YOUR WORDS GOOD PEOPLE.
KEEP REACHING DANNY, DON'T EVER GIVE UP. I WILL BE HERE IF YOU NEED.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS
Perspective, just mine......from my heart as always, true as day, and black as night...............The whys and hows of what we do...to ourselves and others and how that shapes our perspective of things. Why we react differently, why we need to first live in our own hell and save ourselves before we can help those around us.....The lives we have lead made us all who we are today, the good and the bad.....never has it taught me to judge anyone else because I know something about hurting a child........I know the pain it causes, I also know full well what it feels like to lose a child.....I have felt that too........So my perspective not to judge comes from what I know....
So seriously, have any of you ever almost killed your child, not talking by accident, or because you made a mistake.....I am talking have you ever full out did something that put your child in severe danger.......I always talk about the things I keep close to my heart that I will never forget.....things that must serve as a constant reminder as to never repeat the same mistake again......This is my way of sharing in hopes to stop the madness.....and to bring about peace and focus.....
I did that....I hurt my child, I didn't want to or mean to, hell I was only giving her something different to eat. But I almost killed her.....you know how that sucks.....a double dose a benadryl....epi-pen in one hand....phone in the other......her tounge swelling.......hives popping out........Not cool! A 10 reminder afterwards, hives upon hives upon hives all over her body, steriods and benadryl and then still wouldn't go away...till they wanted to........
Life is to fragile people......Live in yours and I will live in mine and never judge anyone for who they are and what they feel because unless I am in thier heart....I don't know!
So you know we aren't trying anymore new foods in my house for a good long time...well atleast until another round of allergy testing................
Guess what I am upbeat and positive because I have to be for me.......I don't want to get sucked up by what I hide in my heart.........Life is to damn short to not enjoy it all!
So seriously, have any of you ever almost killed your child, not talking by accident, or because you made a mistake.....I am talking have you ever full out did something that put your child in severe danger.......I always talk about the things I keep close to my heart that I will never forget.....things that must serve as a constant reminder as to never repeat the same mistake again......This is my way of sharing in hopes to stop the madness.....and to bring about peace and focus.....
I did that....I hurt my child, I didn't want to or mean to, hell I was only giving her something different to eat. But I almost killed her.....you know how that sucks.....a double dose a benadryl....epi-pen in one hand....phone in the other......her tounge swelling.......hives popping out........Not cool! A 10 reminder afterwards, hives upon hives upon hives all over her body, steriods and benadryl and then still wouldn't go away...till they wanted to........
Life is to fragile people......Live in yours and I will live in mine and never judge anyone for who they are and what they feel because unless I am in thier heart....I don't know!
So you know we aren't trying anymore new foods in my house for a good long time...well atleast until another round of allergy testing................
Guess what I am upbeat and positive because I have to be for me.......I don't want to get sucked up by what I hide in my heart.........Life is to damn short to not enjoy it all!
