Terrianne, I agree with you in some instances in the past, but for the most part, I feel it's justified. Like when someone comes on and offers some absolutely moronic and ineducable advice like taking ecstasy kept me clean for five years. I feel the gangbust is completely justified and necessary. Some of these people are threatening others recovery.When a person is going through their second day of w/d and on the cusp of using, and they're told that they can have the odd joint, or ecstasy will help their recovery, that is completely menacing, counter-productive and flat out idiotic. And these people should be coddled? Yeah, you bet I'm jumping on them, and I couldn't care less if they leave because the greater good is at risk and people who are working hard for their recovery are being threatened. These people in question are usually not ready for recovery anyway, when they are they can read how supportive EVERYBODY is once there is some effort and clean time. And by clean time, I mean 2-3 days, not even.
Wonder woman, if some of that crap was said at a meeting, the outcome would be much worse than anything you read here.
that was one of the points that i made during the Medusa trial. My fear is that if someone doesn't call a person out on something like that, it would be dangerous to a newcomer to read that and think it could be a cure all...my point was, what if this newcomer dies?
I don't know why that's so difficult for some to understand, Janet. Mindblowing.
flipperbaby,
that is definately the obvious but even at that cowgirl showed much class at calling her out. so no argument there. medusa is a whole nother stoty. i been on this board for a year and 8 months i know all to well how this stuff goes down by now.
terrianne
that is definately the obvious but even at that cowgirl showed much class at calling her out. so no argument there. medusa is a whole nother stoty. i been on this board for a year and 8 months i know all to well how this stuff goes down by now.
terrianne
Some people would rather sugar-coat and say there, there....
very toxic in my opinion...
if it didn't hit home there would have been no controversy
very toxic in my opinion...
if it didn't hit home there would have been no controversy
flipperbaby, Omg, just what can I expect tonight???????
wonderwoman,
settledown, if you are going to a meeting you will find it is nothing like this board and prolly much more pleasant, and maybe even more sugarcoated.
terrianne
settledown, if you are going to a meeting you will find it is nothing like this board and prolly much more pleasant, and maybe even more sugarcoated.
terrianne
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come out like that. I meant if you start saying things like ecstasy will keep you clean sort of stuff. The stuff that people get "gangbusted" for here. Sorry. Definitely go, it's only a positive experience.
terianne, currently I'm studying the addiction cycle and hoping I stay aware during the meeting. Thanks for helping me get my finger nails outta my face, in sheer panic!
wonderwoman,
trust me the newcomer is the most inportant person, you will feel like a princess that you are : )
terrianne
trust me the newcomer is the most inportant person, you will feel like a princess that you are : )
terrianne
It's ok flipperbaby, it just sounds a little cult-like here sometimes. The "program" for example. I don't have the "program". By attending tonight, I'm just trying to understand why I liked to get stoned and how to stay stopped, and should I or shouldn't I drink alcohol anymore, do I even want to test it or what? Everyone here seems very passionate and I am learning.
Good for you, Wonderwoman. Good luck and all the best. You're on the right path. I can only speak for myself, and I'm part of nobody's cult, but these people you're reading about are working quite a different program than yourself. You're the type of person I will coddle due to the effort. You put in the effort, you get results, simple as that. You're taking the biggest step tonight. God bless.
terrianne, how did ya know I was a princess???? ROFL OMG is it that obvious?
wonderwoman,
hahah "cult like" its only that way if you set your mind for iy\t that way, keep your mind open and don't be obsessive compulsive if ya know what i mean. : )
terrianne
hahah "cult like" its only that way if you set your mind for iy\t that way, keep your mind open and don't be obsessive compulsive if ya know what i mean. : )
terrianne
boo is absolutely right wonderwoman...alot of times when a newcomer shows up, the topics shift to when people went to their first meetings and the love and outpouring of experience, strength and hope...alot of numbers are exchanged to help them out...
don't be afraid....you will breathe a sigh of relief when you find out that you are not alone.
I think the only times that I have ever seen people called out on crap is after a meeting, and it's usually a one on one deal
don't be afraid....you will breathe a sigh of relief when you find out that you are not alone.
I think the only times that I have ever seen people called out on crap is after a meeting, and it's usually a one on one deal
okee dokee, I'm off to happy camp now, you'll be sure to hear from me later...first I must shine my tiara. LOL
yay for wonder woman !!! heheh i am definately proud of you chica that takes GUTS!!! you go girl get down with your bad self!!!
terrianne
terrianne
Dear Krazi,
You did say that you had a problem 5 years ago and if it was a problem then you have to remember it can become a problem now. Once in recovery there is no such thing as controled drinking because your first will bring you back to your last!!! Abstinence is the only way to be assured that you wont relapse and have it become a problem again.
It is your life and what you do is up to you but dont take Cowgirls advice as a attack, she is speaking from experience. It sounds like she hit a nerve?
PS..Age has nothing to do with it..................All the Best..Shel
You did say that you had a problem 5 years ago and if it was a problem then you have to remember it can become a problem now. Once in recovery there is no such thing as controled drinking because your first will bring you back to your last!!! Abstinence is the only way to be assured that you wont relapse and have it become a problem again.
It is your life and what you do is up to you but dont take Cowgirls advice as a attack, she is speaking from experience. It sounds like she hit a nerve?
PS..Age has nothing to do with it..................All the Best..Shel
I think Firesign worded it correctly that an "in your face" approach may work better in a meeting or in rehab where you can't run away. I hate to think that they leave here and go back to what they were doing - not even trying to find a new board, b/c of the "attack" mode we seem to be in it seems so much of the time, like I say, not like when I signed up for this trip.
Flipperbaby: I don't even u'stand your pussywillows and cattails - you must be a lot older or a lot younger than me - you could cuss me out and I wouldn't know it haha
I do take it that you love that tough love stuff.
I say exactly what I want to say and I mean to get it across, I'm just not in attack mode.
It's so un-necessary.
None of us have all of the answers, I'm happy for the ones of us who acknowledge that.
I say what I mean and I mean what I say - just a little softer than some.
It worked raising 3 sons - no trouble so that's me and my personality. Not gonna change for my board, mostly when some have told me that I have helped them, that others almost scared them or did scare them away.
Yeah, they may come back, maybe they weren't ready. I think that's just excuses for any guilt you may feel if you feel at all responsible for them leaving. It's not the first time. We have too many followers. You may speak your mind on here. If you don't like confrontation, you have a computer in front of you. If it's not the popular thing to say, so what? You are trying to help someone.
Terriane is one of the sweetest people on the board and one of the ones that I read and understand her post. She is what this board is all about.
Compassion and understanding. Her postings worked for me - I could name many more.
This thread will be closed soon so flipper - if you will explain your unusual words so I will know how to take them. I think they mean I'm a softie but it's worked for me for almost 50 years now and I'm happy and my familys happy. I just want the people on the board to be happy, it seems I sense so much anger sometimes.
And Janet, I was telling the truth, Cowgirl and I had a discussion going from
11 - 1 today (I checked my old emails) so this topic was being discussed. We/she can choose if she doesn't want to be a part of a thread.
If the newcomers are still reading, you see we do have some on here who don't go the tough love way so if you like, come back anytime or email me at
blink17172@cs.com if you just need to talk.
Jean
Flipperbaby: I don't even u'stand your pussywillows and cattails - you must be a lot older or a lot younger than me - you could cuss me out and I wouldn't know it haha
I do take it that you love that tough love stuff.
I say exactly what I want to say and I mean to get it across, I'm just not in attack mode.
It's so un-necessary.
None of us have all of the answers, I'm happy for the ones of us who acknowledge that.
I say what I mean and I mean what I say - just a little softer than some.
It worked raising 3 sons - no trouble so that's me and my personality. Not gonna change for my board, mostly when some have told me that I have helped them, that others almost scared them or did scare them away.
Yeah, they may come back, maybe they weren't ready. I think that's just excuses for any guilt you may feel if you feel at all responsible for them leaving. It's not the first time. We have too many followers. You may speak your mind on here. If you don't like confrontation, you have a computer in front of you. If it's not the popular thing to say, so what? You are trying to help someone.
Terriane is one of the sweetest people on the board and one of the ones that I read and understand her post. She is what this board is all about.
Compassion and understanding. Her postings worked for me - I could name many more.
This thread will be closed soon so flipper - if you will explain your unusual words so I will know how to take them. I think they mean I'm a softie but it's worked for me for almost 50 years now and I'm happy and my familys happy. I just want the people on the board to be happy, it seems I sense so much anger sometimes.
And Janet, I was telling the truth, Cowgirl and I had a discussion going from
11 - 1 today (I checked my old emails) so this topic was being discussed. We/she can choose if she doesn't want to be a part of a thread.
If the newcomers are still reading, you see we do have some on here who don't go the tough love way so if you like, come back anytime or email me at
blink17172@cs.com if you just need to talk.
Jean
How is this helping anyone in recovery... I can't possibly see how ...Can't you guy just agree to disagree... And get on to the reason you are here to help your recovery as well as someone else....
