Still Standing

Just contacted my long lost accountant, had to negotiate a settlement with them, then re-hire them to get my books current. Next big step will be to meet with a tax attorney to get the IRS off my back and buy me some time. Only have a few days to get that done. I'm determined to avoid bankruptcy, but I've let s*** pile up for a few years! My weak little a** is gonna have to get up and start kicking butt real soon!
But for now, day 15 is going well. And my inner search continues...
I know me... once I'm "better" I won't have time for self discovery. I'll be too busy. So I know that this time I have now, I 've got to get things worked out once and for all!!
I feel like I have. How do you know? For sure? My life hangs in the ballance.
M
My sponser is not there to save me. She is there to help guide me through the steps. It is a humbling experience. I think in our situation that humbling ourselves is good. We need it. We think we are different or special. We find out that we're simply addicts like everyone else in the program. Most of us on this board are not your typical junkies. I am busy raising two girls. I baked the cupcakes and now run them to sports. No one knew that I had a purse full of pills. No one knew that I couldn't get out of bed without pills. My friends even teased me that I was "so straight" because I quit drinking so long ago.
My sponser has one thing that my family does not have. She understands me. It is ironic that I chose a girl half my age to be my sponser. I thought that she wouldn't be too hard on me. I didn't want anyone really riding my butt. She says she couldn't ever imagine me doing the things her I did. It is humbling to go to a young girl for help and advice.

I do not hang out at the NA meetings. I'm a busy woman. I have a good life. Naturally there are moments of stress or upsetment. Sometimes I can't get my kids to cooperate or show respect. It's frustrating. Sometimes my husband pisses me off and I feel unloved or neglected, whatever. It's during those times that my mind goes right to the pill bottle. I have the desire to escape the "feelings". I call my sponser that day or go to a meeting that evening and try to talk about it. It's like a release valve. Sometimes she points out that she sees a pattern in my behavior. It gives me something to think about as to what involvement I may have had in the situations. It really gives me time to think about my actions, my selfishness, my demanding nature. I think to be able to look within is what the steps are all about. It's about healing from the inside out. The problem of addiction comes from within. The solution also comes from within with the help of God.

I hope this makes some sense to you. I hope that you get your priorities straight as to what is most important in your life. It sounds like you have alot going for you. Just remember that you are sick and you need help to get through this. Take care of yourself first or all the other stuff will disappear.

If you go to a meeting with an open mind and heart you will see yourself in every person in attendance. Congrats on your clean time. Hold on tight.
Yeah......................... I hear ya.
From the inside.
Need some help................
That's the hardest part for me to admit. I need some help.
I don't know why, but it is.
I'm the strongest guy I know. If there was to be a crisis situation, I'd want me there.
I tend to hang back in most situations and don't overreact, but once I see a real crisis, I jump into action.
Once at a party thirty or more years ago, a guy od'd and dropped on the floor. Once folks saw he wasn't breathing, the entire party of forty or more people ran out the door. I alone stayed behind and beat on his chest when I couldn't feel a pulse, then gave him mouth to mouth until he came around. I got him up and walked him around until I was sure he'd make it. I didn't even know the guy. He saw me in a store a year or two later and stopped me and thanked me for saving his life.
Saved a guy in Thailand once too, though nothing to do with drugs. He was just drunk and about to be murdered and robbed, so I jumped in and saved his a**.

I just find it so hard to ask for help. Stupid, huh? I don't know if you can relate to how I'm feeling about that.
Thanks,
Mark
I think everybody here can relate to that. Asking for help is really hard. I had to go to my husband and tell on myself. I felt like I was walking naked into a crowd. Luckily he is supporting me. I still don't go to him with my vulnerabilities. I'm afraid it will be used against me later. I don't know why because he's not that way

I've come to realize that asking for help is a sign of strength not weakness. This is a serious problem we have and to have support is wonderful. What the people in NA realize is that it doesn't matter who you are or how important your title is; we're all the same. The guy that walks in with a $1500 suit is just as scared and vulnerable as the unemployed guy in the corner. I don't think you can bulls*** a bulls***ter. You know?

TTFN I am going to pick up my nine month keytag.
Congrats on that, Alice!!!!!! Well done!

I'll go to a na meeting. But not till I'm better. I'm in no shape right now.
But I'm not gonna get up and give a speech or anything. I'll just sit and listen if they'll leave me alone. If they bug me, or want me to start making promises or pronouncements about myself, I'm outa there!
M.
Hi Mark,

I'm usually a visitor on the PP board and saw your post there. After reading you here, I felt compelled to respond to you regarding your last comment.

I haven't been to a meeting in a year so I'm not going to try to convince you to go to one. I do want to say however, that you have a very misguided concept of N/A. I didn't attend N/A because 1: the use of Suboxone (my method of drug treatment) was frowned upon 2: there was only one meeting a week in my area and 3: I am dually addicted (alcohol and opiates). I went to A/A instead but the ideologies are the same.

I don't know about anyone else but, my group NEVER asked me to do anything. As a newcomer, I remember sitting there bawling uncontrollably and shaking so badly that the meeting chair turned the meeting into a candle light meeting (they turned off all the lights and lit candles) so I could be saved the humiliation of having the group witness my little melt down complete with a river of snot running down my face. I didn't realize at the time that candle light meetings were scheduled affairs with a specific agenda and that, rather than risk my leaving, they did this in an effort to make me as comfortable as they could.

No one EVER told me what to do. They have group protocol to follow and they made suggestions. They related experiences and they told their stories. They did this because the process of expressing oneself in a safe environment is cathartic. It also helps others know that they are not alone...that someone "knows" what they're going through. When someone else knows our "story", we are held accountable for the ending. Hearing an old-timer speak on "How it used to be and how it is now" gives hope that you too can live through early recovery and you can be around to hold the torch for another newcomer.

I was asked to chair meetings when I'd earned the priviledge but I was NEVER asked to give a "speech". "Speeches" were given at Speakers Meetings and even then, the content of the "speech" was, most often, simply the story of the speaker. I was never invited to speak because you had to have a certain amount of clean time to hold that honor and I quit going to meetings before I reached the mark.

You said you have trouble asking for help. It's an inherant trait of many addicts and it's the reason that life is much more difficult for us than it needs to be.

I guess I'm just sayin'....don't discount what most addicts find to be one of the most powerful tools in their recovery kit before you try it.

Take good care...

Callie

Oh! I almost forgot. No one EVER shackled me to my chair and forced me to do or say things I didn't want to. They held my hand, urged me to come back, and said they'd miss me if I didn't.
The only requirement for attendance is the desire to stay clean.

No one will ask you to speak. They usually ask if there is anyone who hasn't attended that location before. You can raise your hand or not. It takes alot of guts to walk though those doors. Remember no one ever walked through those doors on a winning streak.

You can pull up some literature from their website. There are a couple of pamphlets I recommend looking over. One is "the Triangle of Self Obsession", "Self Acceptance", and "Are you an Addict?". Check them out!

Keep up the good work!
Hi Alice,

I did forget to mention the "only requirement", didn't I? Thanks for pointing that out.

Congratulations on hitting your nine month mark, BTW. FABULOUS...simply FABULOUS!!

Callie
Did you wait till you were all clean and back strong again? I'm 15 days clean and feeling very vulnerable. If I were to walk in and someone even put their hand on my shoulder, I'd break down. I know it! I go into tears sometimes just writing these posts. I almost cried in line today at the market when the checker made some compliment to me! Christ, I'm a mess! If someone welcomed me or something I'd break down! I want to avoid that embarrasment. Remember, I'm not a girl.
Mark
And, thanks both of you. Is it Alice and Callie?
No sweetheart, I didn't wait til I was all clean and strong. If I had, I'd have probably talked myself out of going because I'm all independent and I don't need anyone's help and I got myself into this mess, I'll get myself out and I don't belong with a bunch of addicts and I don't want people telling me what to do.

I went when I was raw to the core, when I was so emotionally and physically wrecked that it was a miracle that I lifted my head off the pillow. I went in the middle of panic attacks so severe that it took half an hour to drive 4 miles because I had to pull over so many times. I went when I had diarreah so bad that I had to carry extra clothing with me. I went when my hair was falling out in clumps, my dresses hung on me, and my skin looked like shoe leather. I went when I was terrified that everyone would know that I was a total f*** up. I went when I knew that I could not beat my addiction on my own and I didn't want to live my life anymore.

I'm a girl but I couldn't tell you the last time I cried before I tried to get clean and I wept like a baby for weeks. All I can say about that is...there is absolutely no room in our recovery for ego and....there's nothing admirable about a prideful junkie.

Please don't think I'm on a soap box about N/A or A/A. It's not really about that. I just hear in your posts that you aren't comfortable with giving up control, that you are trying to project an image here. We don't care who you are or used to be. We want to see you clean and on your way to being who you were meant to be. That's all.

Best of the best to you....

Callie



I've been writing like a madman these last few days knowing I had to get through my childhood and into adulthood to kind of get to the root of the problem. I know if I don't finish it now, when I'm well I'll be too busy. Just finished some pretty bad Junkie days in my twenties and it dawned on me that I never seeked help. Just kicked. Here I am thirty years later and I'm just kicking again. Seems to be a pattern here......
Of course this time it was the fault of that Junkie prostitute that let me have a shot.
Not.
Me all the way. It's always been me. I'm the problem. All twenty or thirty times it's been my decision. I'm a professional kicker. None better. Oh, the pain I've been through. Am going through right now! This is insanity! I mean it's probably part of the definition of true insanity. Surely I'm not insane am I?
I'm beginning to wonder... SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY WRONG WITH ME!
I just can't do it anymore. I can't take it. The pain, the embarrassment, I can't take it anymore. If there's a lord, save my life.
I can not do this any more. I can not do this any more. I can't take it. I'm too weak. I can't take it. I'm too weak. I can't take it!!!!!!!!!!!! it'll kill me or I'll kill myself. This has to be the last time. It has to be the last time!!!
I've had it,Im done. I'm done. I'm weak and I'm done. One way or the other, I'm done. I am worn out and weak and done. I give up.
I feel worthless, weak, and still in pain on day 15. Dear God what did I do to deserve this fate? Please answer my sincere prayers. I have to have better, I cant take the pain anymore. Amen and goodnight. Your faithful believer, Mark
Good morning Mark - Surrender is the key to winning this battle. You surrendered and that is a great sign. I have to surrender on a daily basis. You sound like you have strong belief in God. That too is a great sign. These are the first two steps of recovery.

1. We admitted we were powerless over drugs and that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves can restore us to sanity.

This time around I went into NA after I had a few weeks. It's never easy to walk through those doors. If it weren't for the board I may not have went. It was strongely advised for me to go. I was told this board is great but nothing beats face to face. I too cried alot at first. All those stuffed emotions rising to the surface. I had just buried my mother after a 3 year battle with colon cancer. She was my best friend and I took care of her. Lots of tears. It is through our tears that we heal.

I strongly advise that you go to a meeting as soon as possible. They say that the theraputic value of one addict helping another is unparalleled (sp). I think it's true. I bet your not sharing all of your feelings with your friends and family like you are sharing with us. Am I right?

I shed a some tears at a few meetings. I did, however hold it together. I think you will too. (being a man and all) LOL One thing you can be sure of is that no one will ask you to speak or ask you your story. That is something that is personal and takes time. I have shared a few times in about 8 months of attendance. I don't feel very comfortable telling a room full of people my problems. What blows me away every time is the honesty I hear in the rooms. People baring their souls all for the purpose of staying clean. It is nothing short of amazing. I have the utmost respect and admiration for people who can be so honest. On the outside things are so superficial. Faking how we are doing, talking about what we have, what we are doing, how we are good people, etc.

I think you are right where you are supposed to be Mark. It's okay to be scared and to feel sadness and remorse. Go easy on yourself. Today is a new day and the only one you have to worry about.

It sounds great that you are doing alot of writing. The program has a step workbook which asks alot of questions about your life. I have found it to be most helpful on my journey. There may be some questions that you wouldn't be brave enough to ask yourself. Check it out.
I know me... once I'm "better" I won't have time for self discovery

Todd,self discovery is for a lifetime and is not an item one picks up at the grocery store and is done with it.

The meetings are where you get better.You have it turned around.We don't show up at our first meeting with "everything figured out."People are a mess during early recovery and no one is expecting you to be any different.It's a process of continued enlightment.Addiction has nothing to do with being weak or morally incapacitated.It is a disease of the mind,spirit and body.

All you have to do is listen with an open mind void of judgement and expectation.We didn't get sick over night and we won't get well until there is surrender.This has nothing to do with being less empowered.In fact it takes a lot of courage to admit our lives are unmanageable and we need help.That does not make you less of a man.No one likes to admit that their lives are unmanageable but it is a necessary step before recovery can begin.

You've not done a very bang up job with your life at this point and believe me you will always find others that have gone down even further.I've filed bankruptcy twice in my life and that is nothing to be ashamed of.In the scheme of things,that was a minor event compared to some of the places my addiction took me to.

The program teaches us that we only have to deal with whatever comes at us in a 24 hour time span.If you always have one foot in the past and the other in the future,you never find peace.What's been done is over.There will be steps that address this that you don't have to worry about yet.It's o.k. to look at the past just don't stare.The future's not here and the only place dwelling on the future has given me is just more stress.

You will do what you want but I think what is being conveyed to you here is that you don't have to do it alone.You may have to give up some friends and places that will be hard but I found out once I was clean most of those people didn't want my company anyway.You're not going to find people in a bar or pub that will support you.Even if they say they will,the chances of them remembering such endearments are slim to nil.

The choice is yours.The program does not solicit membership.It's one of attraction and the only things being said here are simply from some people who have found out it works,If becoming a Buddhist and standing on your head 24 hours works,,,,then I say go for it.
Just got up 5:30 am. going to a meeting today. Gotta go online and find onearound here. Oh, baby, here goes!!!
m
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I'm glad to hear it Mark. It's another step in the right direction. Now follow through and get there. I bet you'll feel better when you leave than when you walked in. Let us know. We're pulling for you!

Hey Mark - Check out the post entitled "Thought for the Day" on the alcohol board. I thought it was good.
Just spoke to a man that travels the country to give speeches at aa meetings. He's coming by to talk to me and then take me to a meeting so I'll feel comfortable.
A stranger! I can't believe he's going to take up his Saturday just to jack around with me.
He mentioned a little of his story. He had it worse than me!

Thanks, everyone.
I'll let you know how it goes....... Wish me luck.
Mark
Awesome! Your higher power at work.
I'm scared.
It's only natural. I have hesitation every time I go. It's a humbling experience to show you have a problem. In our case, humbling is very good. You can do this!